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Giggle Goose
01-31-2009, 08:46 PM
This could go in Sightings as well, but since it has a lot of my personal thoughts I just put it here in OT (mods, sorry if I was wrong)!

Last night brought to mind a thread that someone started recently (I forget where) about whether or not customer service was going down the crapper. I would like to think not, but after my experience last night and today I'm thinking I might reconsider!

First of all, not a lot of people are out spending money these days. But my mom, sister, good friend, and myself decided to buy tickets to see the Gin Blossoms (from Arizona, word to Jester)! because we really needed to have some fun. It's a big deal for us to go out like that because we usually don't have a lot of money to spend, and we don't go out unless we can afford to leave a good tip. I know this because my friend and I both worked (she still does at her SECOND job) in the restaurant industry, as did my mom.

So we made dinner reservations at the tavern that GB were playing at, and the waitress just asked us what we wanted to drink, no "Hi, how are ya" no nothin.' After waiting what seemed like forever to get them, we had to call her back to order an appetizer because she immediately ran away from the table after she plopped the drinks down. The appetizers came fast, and we cut her some slack because it was kind of busy. But while other servers were hustling around, she just kinda moved slow and rolled her eyes a lot. After we put our order in, it took forever to come out. Instead of coming out and explaining that the kitchen was backed up, offering us more drinks (sitting empty), etc., she just avoided eye contact and glanced over at us from afar. When the food finally came it was cold, and my friend never got her salad or the jalepenos that she requested as a side. But by this time we had to get going to see the show, so we just waited forever for her to come back with the check, not finishing the food because it was cold and gross. We let the manager know in a polite way, and we got a discount off of the check. But seriously, I wasn't fishing for a discount, although it was nice. I just wanted them to say they were sorry and would do their best to do better in the future, but I guess they just assumed we wanted free shit like everyone else, right? We left her $20 off the $80 check and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the most she made that night.

Since we were still hungry when we got our table in the concert area, we ordered appetizers, but those never came and we found out when we got the check they were never put in. I think we only saw the waiter when he brought our drinks and check. We didn't really want to talk to the manager again since we considered it a lost cause; but I'll still give them a chance.

So today my friend and I decide to go out to lunch at a place in the mall before she has to work tonight. This was also a bit of an upscale place, so we were hoping to have a better experience. Sadly, no. It was crowded and we sat at the bar. The service was slow and people around us were getting our food before we did. I think the waitress messed up, but she at least apologized.

Seriously, what is wrong, people? I know servers might be a bit depressed and pissed off that MANY customers are being cheap, but that's no excuse to give bad service to EVERYONE. We weren't expecting anyone to kiss our butts, just semi-friendly service at a reasonable pace. Even if mistakes were made, we were understanding if they would simply apologize and do what they could to fix the problem in a timely fashion. It just burns me up because I live off of cheap fruit, soup, and PB&J most of the time trying to get my bills paid, and I get treated like a generic bad tipper if go out once in a month (if that)!

Am I just being a bitch? Or do you think maybe this was a series of bad coincidences? I'd love to hear from my fellow CSers.

JoitheArtist
01-31-2009, 09:06 PM
Seriously, what is wrong, people? I know servers might be a bit depressed and pissed off that MANY customers are being cheap, but that's no excuse to give bad service to EVERYONE. We weren't expecting anyone to kiss our butts, just semi-friendly service at a reasonable pace. Even if mistakes were made, we were understanding if they would simply apologize and do what they could to fix the problem in a timely fashion. It just burns me up because I live off of cheap fruit, soup, and PB&J most of the time trying to get my bills paid, and I get treated like a generic bad tipper if go out once in a month (if that)!

Am I just being a bitch? Or do you think maybe this was a series of bad coincidences? I'd love to hear from my fellow CSers.

Remember, SCs and EWs have to work somewhere...so sadly, they are often the Customer Service people we deal with. :cry:

Terrifying thought, no?

wagegoth
01-31-2009, 09:22 PM
GG, I don't understand why you would tip her 25%. With that kind of service, she would have gotten two dollars from me. It's like giving an SC what they want, they just keep up the bad behavior.

Next time, call the manager over sooner. Explain the situation. At that point, either the manager should take care of you, or they'll call another server over.

Irving Patrick Freleigh
01-31-2009, 09:33 PM
But my mom, sister, good friend, and myself decided to buy tickets to see the Gin Blossoms (from Arizona, word to Jester)! because we really needed to have some fun.

Great band! Sorry about the service though.

Giggle Goose
01-31-2009, 09:56 PM
Wagegoth- Yes, you're probably right. Although my friend treated me since I bought the concert tickets. She stuck a comment card in the check book with a note that said something along the lines of: "You probably didn't deserve that much, but if you're giving everyone else the same service this is probably the most you're going to make." Kind of a bitch move, but the manager didn't seem to really care either; so it was our way of making sure she knew we weren't happy. Next time I'll just make sure she's not our server and be more generous to someone who actually gives a shit.

Irv- The band was awesome! The service was bad but I can't say I didn't have fun. It kind of made up for it, as a matter of fact! :D They're coming out with a new studio album in the near future, but they're totally worth seeing live!

Jester
01-31-2009, 10:04 PM
Gin Blossoms are not just from Arizona, they are from my home town of Tempe, and when I was at ASU, they were the house band at Long Wong's in downtown Tempe. Many of my friends and classmates were friends of or friendly with the band, though I myself did not know them. For fans of the band, I will tell you that "Mrs. Rita" was written about a fortune teller whose place of business was right in the downtown area that I passed all the time when I lived in Tempe and went to ASU. Thought you might enjoy that little nugget of info. :lol:

I'll go in reverse order of your three experiences. With your lunch it does not sound like you got bad service, as your server apologized, and as you said, the place was busy. Remember when you see people getting food before yours that what they ordered and what you ordered may well take different times to prepare. For example, if your friend sit down and order two well done steaks, and I and my friend sit down five minutes later and order two spinach salads, even though we got there significantly after you, unless the establishment's steaks are paper thin, we ARE going to get our food before you do. Different dishes have different prep and cook times. I am not saying this was the only factor, or even that it WAS a factor, simply that this could be one of many factors, and as that was the only thing you mentioned (time to get your food), I don't have much more to go off of. Frankly, it sounds like server #3 did their job.

Server #2, not so much. Never ordering your munchies is an oversight. Not apologizing for it is a larger sin, though if you never mentioned it to them, they may not have realized it. Every server I know, including yours truly, has done this at one point or another. It happens. Don't be shy about pointing these things out to us. I am not saying be a total bitch monkey about it, but just ask about it, or if it never got ordered and you are leaving, mention something. Perhaps the place is poorly run and doesn't care, I don't know, but it never hurts to say something.

Server #1 is an incompetent. Maybe she is antisocial. Maybe she is shy. Maybe she doesn't like her job. Frankly, I don't give a shit what the cause is, she is still incapable of performing as a competent server. And by the way, sometimes people misinterpret efficiency as unfriendliness in their server, if said server is moving quickly and getting stuff done. This does not seem to have been the case here, as you pointed out that many of the other servers were moving at a greater speed and with greater efficiency than your pathetic excuse for a waitress. She clearly was not substituting efficiency for friendliness, as she appears to have had neither.

I speak with some authority on all this, as I have been in the restaurant industry since 1986, I eat out very frequently, and I spent years training servers. I don't know if she is blowing the boss or what, but she should not be employed in a high-volume establishment, and while the management made a weak gesture towards your issues, it wasn't enough. Admittedly, once again I think you should have said something sooner, especially when the food just sucked, but that's small potatoes compared to the glaring ineptitude of the server.

And you dropped the ball big time in one area, which has been pointed out. Server #1 was unfriendly, antisocial, slow, incompetent, and basically hid out from you. And yet you gave her a tip a good server would kill for. $20 on $80? 25%? For piss poor service and garbage food? Are you out of your mind, Goose?

Look, I don't support nor condone bad tipping. But good tips are for good service. What you received from this bumbler was as close to good service as I am to ever dunking on Shaq. I, as a lifelong server and good tipper, would have struggled to justify a $8 tip in this scenario. I often eat out with my good friend Little Red, and she is also in the industry, and a good tipper. And if the two of us had your experience with #1, we would have been livid. $8? 10%? The server would have been lucky to have gotten that from us for her alleged "service." And if I ran said establishment? She would not be employed there if that was her regular attitude and work ethic.

People, please. If someone gives you bad service--I don't mean not great service, or even adequate service, but BAD service like in the example--please do not reward them with a great or even good tip. They haven't earned it, and those of us who DO provide good service to our customers are, frankly, quite offended by such things.

In answer to your bigger question, as to whether service is declining in this country....I don't know. I don't think so. I know that recently, both here and in California during my vacation, I have had instances of great service, mostly good service, and the occasional crappy service, but that the ratio of such was not any different than it has ever been. Admittedly, my sample area is very small (the Keys, Miami, San Francisco, Oakland, and the Sacramento area), but it has been some time since I got service nearly as bad as what you described with your first server. I think you just had a run of bad luck and coincidence, to be honest. Though we do have to remember that two out of three of your instances took place in the same establishment, so we might want to look at how that place is run.

Just some thoughts. Hope they help shed some light on things.

Giggle Goose
02-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Like I said before, if I had it my way she'd be lucky to get a tip at all. I busted my butt to give good service to all my tables, so why should she be able to slack off and still get the same amount as if she did a good job? It just doesn't make sense. I actually got into a little "fight" (not really :rolleyes:) about it with my friend; who left that much out of HER pocket because she thought it would make her feel really bad. I doubt it. So next time you servers see two boisterous, foul-mouthed redheads at your table; rest assured you'll probably be getting handsomely compensated. Imagine what we'd give for GOOD service! (jk)

As for the other restaurant, it really wasn't that bad and was a lot more understandable. It used to bug me as well when a table complained that someone else got their salad before THEY got their well-done steak (duuuuuh :rolleyes:). But the guy next to us got the exact same salad my friend did way before hers arrived, and he came a good 5 minutes later. Again, we got an apology and it was really no big deal because things tend to get lost in the shuffle at times. We still left 25% there as well; but it was just annoying to have to deal with that after our experience the other night. :o

I'm mainly just satisfied that I wasn't out of line in thinking waitress #1 was a total bitch that needed to find another gig. :lol:

Jester, would it make you feel old if I told you I was born in 1986 (I'm 22 :D). I never would have guessed you were that much older than me, so rest assured.

Jester
02-02-2009, 03:38 PM
Goose, nothing makes me feel old other than the occasional Super Hangover (like I have today). Hell, I've DATED women only slightly older than you recently, thank you very much.

Well, okay, a couple other things make me feel old. Like the hostess we have at work who was born after I graduated high school. Hell, she was born after I was legal to drink in bars!

But honestly, even that doesn't make me feel old. First of all, I am carded often enough, and people rarely guess my age right, and sometimes I still get guesses in the high 20's. Secondly, age is all about attitude. In which case, I am 12. Finally, I have found the secret to not aging: I have NO children. :D