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greensinestro
01-19-2014, 02:06 PM
Ate out at the Red Lobster last night, first time in quite a while. When it came time to leave, I had to wait on my wife to take care of business. While I waited, I witnessed not an altercation, but another episode of how inconsiderate and "entitled" some people are with handicapped parking.

Before this gets out of hand, I will say that I understand that I may not completely know a person's problems, or limits. It is quite possible that even though that person looks fine, they may have a limit to how much walking they can do, and so on. But, this incident bears mentioning due to the fact that one other person needed that spot.

While waiting, an old woman was sitting in the space, waiting for the traffic to clear so she could back up. Another lady was waving at her husband, showing this lady was about to back up, and he could grab that space. Her husband was in a truck with a wheelchair lift ramp on it, meaning they were transporting someone who definitely could not walk or get around, making it valid for them to have this spot. However, when this old woman in her car finally backed out and left, this much younger woman, all by herself in her expensive Nissan Altima with the handicapped placard clipped to her rearview mirror, whipped in out of nowhere and grabbed this spot, all for herself. This caused the other lady's husband to have to pull up alongside the building, get out, get the wheelchair off the lift, and then help this poor helpless woman out of the truck, and into the wheelchair, with the wife assisting, and the meanwhile causing other cars to have to go around them. You could definitely tell this woman was handicapped and needed assistance.

Nissan Altima Lady, all dressed up in her finest, right down to her super duper high heeled shoes, got out, walked around her car at a fast pace as most women do in high heels, then walked at a fast pace into the restaurant to meet her waiting party. None of her actions seemed to indicate she needed this spot at all. The woman and her husband sure as Hell did.

I should mention that other spots not too far away were available for NAL to have taken. Yes, the other couple could have done this, but it would have meant this poor lady having to ride in her wheelchair across a busy parking lot.

It's times like these when you wish a cop was around to see this.

Seshat
01-19-2014, 02:26 PM
With the obvious wheelchair-lift vehicle waiting for the spot, we would have taken one of the other, non-handicap spots. And pretty much everyone here has heard me mention being handicapped myself.


And hell no, I would NEVER be able to walk briskly in heels!

greensinestro
01-19-2014, 04:12 PM
With the obvious wheelchair-lift vehicle waiting for the spot, we would have taken one of the other, non-handicap spots. And pretty much everyone here has heard me mention being handicapped myself.


And hell no, I would NEVER be able to walk briskly in heels!

Neither would I. It really makes you wonder how people like this obtain the placards. Maybe something once happened that warranted them getting one. But, do these ever expire? Or are they good for life?

Teskeria
01-19-2014, 04:30 PM
or probably it was for someone they give rides to. They are usually good for a couple years and have to be renewed in the states I've lived in.

drunkenwildmage
01-19-2014, 05:13 PM
Typically it's a family member's that they use. Depending on the state, they do expire after a few years and have to be renewed. Legally the person who's name on the permit has to be present for them to use it, but that is seldomly enforced. The only thing that authorities are looking for is to see if they have one.

Aethian
01-19-2014, 06:39 PM
In Michigan if I was caught using my Mom's placard. I would get a several hundred dollar fine, mom would lose the placard and ability to get a new one, and because she has a handicap plate would also lose the plate the placard is attached to. I really wish they made that more clear to those who get the placards. I also really wish they enforced the rule as well.

mathnerd
01-19-2014, 06:54 PM
The fine in Florida for using somebody else's placard just went up to something like two or three times the amount of the fine for parking without one at all.

Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I have put my son's placard up in the window if I'm using street parking, but that's for "insurance" if you will, just in case I don't get back in time to feed the meter, as most places in Florida allow you to not pay for parking if you're hanging a valid permit. I still feed the meter (and don't park in designated spots), but do hang it just in case.

bainsidhe
01-19-2014, 07:57 PM
Regardless of whatever disability Nissan woman may or may not have had (and she DID have a placard, after all), it sounds like she budged ahead of the other vehicle to nab the space. That alone is incredibly rude and deserves a :salmon:

LillFilly
01-20-2014, 03:22 AM
Different states have different placecard layouts. some states write in the name, DOB and expiration date of the card holder I believe, so nobody else can use it. Most have an expiration date clearly printed. The cards are like licenses; good for several years, then you have to submit paperwork with your doctor to renew them; this is due to possible changes in disability status or the person passing away, so family members can't keep using the cards. I know you certainly can't judge whether someone 'looks' disabled, but this sure sounds fishy! If the person is the true card holder, they should have a matching wallet-sized card they carry with them.

RecoveringKinkoid
01-20-2014, 05:27 AM
It really chaps me when someone is using a family member's card when they themselves are able bodied and their family member is not in the car.

I have to think that if you are the family member of a person with mobility issues, then you should know firsthand how wrong it is to misuse something like that. :(

TopEndDave
01-20-2014, 05:42 AM
It really chaps me when someone is using a family member's card when they themselves are able bodied and their family member is not in the car.
:(

There is only one situation where it is ok to use the family member's card, when picking up the family member. My nephew went go pick up his great grandmother from her weekly shopping trip. Parked in the disabled spot by the doors and hopped out of the cars. Other people waiting to pick him up gave him dirty looks until he took the shopping from great grandmother. He put the shopping in the car, loaded up her walking frame and then left the spot.

RecoveringKinkoid
01-20-2014, 05:49 AM
Yes, of course. That's not a misuse of the card. No, I mean people who are simply using it for no other reason than to get a sweet park.

I park in the zone when I have my mother in law with me. I guess I'm taking a risk, as I do not have a card or a plate. But I have to park close, where there's a ramp.

I'm always a little embarrassed. Fortunately, it's usually places where they know us (like her favorite restaurant and the like).

otakuneko
01-20-2014, 12:50 PM
My mom has a placard that I keep in my car. It goes up when I show up at her apartment to pick her up, but that's the only time it goes up without her.

taxguykarl
01-20-2014, 05:04 PM
Once when I was called on that, I simply stated (honestly) that I just dropped off my wife, whose placard it was. Never heard anything since.

Sapphire Silk
01-20-2014, 05:21 PM
Neither would I. It really makes you wonder how people like this obtain the placards. Maybe something once happened that warranted them getting one. But, do these ever expire? Or are they good for life?

They expire. If they're regular tags, they have to renew like any other tag. Hang tags expire and have to be replaced.

A cop can ask to see your driver's license and run the serial number on the tag. If your name does not go with the tag, and the person whose does is not with you, then that person can permanently lose their tag. Campus police regularly checks for this because we have a lot of problems with students using Grandma's hang tag to use HC parking.

A call to a cop to run the hang tag probably would have resulted in a similar fate for the EW in our story.

MoonCat
01-20-2014, 10:16 PM
Hey RK! Missed you, been wondering where you were. :D

My dad used to have a handicapped card (heart issues) and when he took us shopping, sometimes (not always) he'd park in the handicapped spot. I always felt guilty about it unless he also got out of the car. :p

There was a guy here a couple years ago who was caught selling handicapped placards to whoever had the money to buy. :rolleyes:

And for the record, I don't think I could walk AT ALL in high heels anymore...let alone briskly! :o

DGoddessChardonnay
01-20-2014, 11:27 PM
It really chaps me when someone is using a family member's card when they themselves are able bodied and their family member is not in the car.

I have to think that if you are the family member of a person with mobility issues, then you should know firsthand how wrong it is to misuse something like that. :(

Amen!

Stuff like this chaps my ass to no end. We have a hard enough time just getting a space for our little Toyota and a scooter at Wallyworld so Mom can go in and shop.

Luckily though we've seen people out patrolling the parking lot (this started around a year ago or so now) and tickets ARE being issued for those who are parking in handicapped spaces but have NO placard hanging from the rear-view mirror or a permanent plate on the back (Mom has both the placard and the license plate, so she's well covered.)

Now how many of those who are using those placard and don't need them personally I really couldn't say - but at least it's a step in the right direction. I would think a $250.00 fine per violation would get most folks' attention right quick.:devil:

Kittykat
01-21-2014, 05:44 AM
Here it's $250.00 fine for the first offense, 500 for second, and suspended license for third.

greensinestro
01-23-2014, 12:57 AM
I also hear placards may also have your tag number on them, like your license plate does.

Aethian
01-23-2014, 01:23 PM
I also hear placards may also have your tag number on them, like your license plate does.

Not always, depends on the locality.

greensinestro
01-23-2014, 03:25 PM
I think Florida does since this may be the state with the most abuse.

Gerrinson
01-23-2014, 07:18 PM
I have to confess, I used to use my grandmother's car with handicapped plates back when I was a teenager. And not only when I was picking her up/dropping her off. I even got quite a few dirty looks from folks, too.

Right up until I got out of the car with my canes and started hobbling into the store/restaurant. Turns out even if you didn't have the handicapped plates assigned to you, no one questions the guy that needs at least one cane to stay upright when he takes a handicapped spot. :lol:

My knees are actually much better now than they were then, so I don't need a cane to walk at the moment. It's really just a matter of time until I have to go back or have TKR, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

Eireann
01-23-2014, 08:06 PM
My mother did this all the time. I HATED it. I pointed out that these were places for handicapped people, and her answer was always the same: "I'll only be a minute."

Yeah, well, who cares? She was never "only a minute"; she often used the handicapped spaces when she went grocery shopping, and everyone knows you spend more than a minute in there. Meanwhile, someone who needed the space may have had to look elsewhere. She never was caught, which I think is a shame; a hefty ticket might have caused her to rethink her stupid parking habit. I nagged her about it over and over, but she never stopped.

wolfie
01-23-2014, 09:39 PM
I've used the handicap space ONCE - it was the only place (other than blocking the aisle) within cable reach of the guy with a dead battery. Of course, once his car was running, I moved to a "regular" spot.

bacchinalus
01-24-2014, 05:59 PM
I never question the people who have canes/wheelchairs and park in the spots. But I always question those with big honking trucks (I have a bias, I admit).

This, even though I have my own invisible handicap (and a hanging placard with part of my driver's license ID# on it), and have doctor's orders to use the spaces in cold/hot weather as much as possible. I can't tell you how many dirty looks I get from my customers (pharmacy), but no one has dared to challenge me so far.

AnaKhouri
01-24-2014, 07:58 PM
My mother's friend has MS and has a great big SUV. It's easier for her to get in and out of, as opposed to a car where she would have to lower her body to get in.

Not saying you are wrong, just saying some handicapped people might legitimately have a big truck or SUV as well.

bacchinalus
01-24-2014, 08:49 PM
Oh, I don't doubt that there would be legitimate reasons for someone to need a vehicle like that, and still need the spot. In my experience, though, the people with those trucks never seem to have any visible difficulty getting in/out, and it's hard to get past the bias against people with invisible disabilities (even though I have one myself).

Sapphire Silk
01-25-2014, 01:17 AM
I never question the people who have canes/wheelchairs and park in the spots. But I always question those with big honking trucks (I have a bias, I admit).

Sometimes the disability is temporary, like mine was last summer. I had foot surgery and was non weight bearing for 6 weeks.

And I gotta tell ya: getting in and out of my big honkin' truck was a heck of a lot easier than getting in and out of a friend's Lincoln Towncar.

ozcatbug
01-25-2014, 01:33 AM
I'm not sure if I have posted this before but here goes. I was shopping with my mother at our local shopping centre. We parked in the handicapped parking (mum has a lot of problems with her mobility so has a handicapped ticket). Where we parked there is about 6 handicapped parks plus another 5 (I think) senior citizen parking.

When I parked there, there was one car in the senior citizen parking, and none in the handicapped spaces. Mum and I went in and did our shopping and when we were walking out we saw a group of people, maybe 3 adults and 2 kids (not exactly sure as it happened a couple years ago) and 2 fully loaded shopping trolleys just near the car parks. Then this man driving a huge four-wheel drive parks very badly right next to my little van, and gets out and starts to load his car from the trolleys. Now when I say parked badly, he was about a foot from my passenger door, where my mother needed to get in. I was parked in the very centre of my park, and he had somehow managed to park himself in 3 parks, including my own. By the way, when I mentioned about there being 6 handicapped spots, and that when I parked there was no one else in them, there was still no one else in them when we finished shopping. So there are potentially 5 other spots that he could park in, not that he should have since he didn't have a handicapped ticket, but instead he has to park in the spot I am already parked in.

Mum yelled out to him to move his car since she couldn't get in, but as you can probably guess he ignored her (which is a feat, my mother is a very hard person to ignore.) She then yells out that it takes a real arsehole to park in a handicapped spot when he doesn't need it. Then she started spouting off that he must be blind if he couldn't see the loading zone 3 spaces away, but oh no, he has to park right here and stop her from getting in to her own legally parked car, and of course he drives a big 4WD but he must be overcompensating since he doesn't know how to park such a large machine. By this stage the other adults were glaring at mum, and I had quickly loaded the car, but the other driver was still trying to ignore her. Unfortunately I had to back out of the spot so that mum could get in, and when she did she let of a few more insults.

I can only hope that he learned from this, and I also hope that a pig flies right over my house. Mum felt a bit better letting loose as well. I'm just glad she didn't try to open my passenger door into his car, after all it would have been his fault, but she did admit later that it would have damaged my car, and the whole situation wasn't my fault.

Casino Jockey
01-25-2014, 04:36 AM
we have something here in australia called "parents with prams" parking.
these parks have no legal standing, so therefore it runs on the honour system (unlike disabled spots)
i may have mentioned before i have a developmentally delayed 2 year old. because of her developmental issues she can go from 0 to effin psycho in about .4 of a second. because of this we park in the parents with prams park, even when we are not using the pram. i may be a big scummy doing this but when my little one gets going she needs to get out.. NOW.

i have been abused for parking in parents with pram spots, even when i have had a pram as "my child is old enough to walk" and "i should know better"

Kittykat
01-25-2014, 05:20 AM
I'm not sure if I have posted this before but here goes. I was shopping with my mother at our local shopping centre. We parked in the handicapped parking (mum has a lot of problems with her mobility so has a handicapped ticket). Where we parked there is about 6 handicapped parks plus another 5 (I think) senior citizen parking.


I don't know the laws where you are, but the whole time I'd have been taking pictures of his license plate and calling the police.

JambaBamba
01-28-2014, 10:31 PM
My (ex) friend had his mom's placard and used it for university parking for almost a semester before getting caught. He'd always park in the same spot (or row) and run to class. I guess someone complained or at least a parking monitor noticed because one day as he was getting out of the car a cop pulled behind him and asked to see the placard and 20 questions of whose it was and why he was using it. Cop basically told him that he was now on a list and if he ever parked in a handicap spot again (in the entire town) he'd get ticketed.

I was just annoyed they didn't catch him sooner.

pzychobitch
01-30-2014, 04:21 AM
Neither would I. It really makes you wonder how people like this obtain the placards. Maybe something once happened that warranted them getting one. But, do these ever expire? Or are they good for life?

"how people like this obtain the placards"

Fraud. Plain and simple.

Automan Empire
01-31-2014, 12:17 AM
I remember a long time ago, riding with a friend of a friend who was able bodied. We pulled in at a movie theater, and she parks in a handicapped spot and whips out a placard. Now, my Dad was disabled (MS) so this particularly bothered me. I read the gal the riot act, and she turned full EW on me; neither of us would back down and we almost skipped the movie.

Afterward, we went to a Denny's and she didn't park in a handicap spot, but DID park in the enterance to the service alley where the dumpsters and utilities for the strip mall were; it was within a row of parking spaces but there was a pole at each end and it clearly said NO PARKING. When we went to leave, my friend's bitchy friend looked over her left shoulder and backed out to the right, and totally plowed the lovely red fender of her mom's almost new Chrysler Lebaron Convertible (this was ~1985) into the pole, denting it severely enough that the door wouldn't open!

End result: Many tears shed, no craps given, and my friend stopped hanging around with her soon after.

neon81159
02-02-2014, 10:05 PM
I think Florida does since this may be the state with the most abuse.


Here in Arkansas, I have 2 hangtags.. one in my car, one in girlfriend's car when I ride with her

they have to be renewed every 3 years..the serial numbers are printed on the back of my drivers license

I better be present if car is in handicap spot...

crazylegs
02-02-2014, 10:57 PM
I never question the people who have canes/wheelchairs and park in the spots. But I always question those with big honking trucks (I have a bias, I admit).

Before he died, my Grandfather found it much easier to get in/out of a vehicle where he didn't have to go down/up as much as the Motor Neurone Disease made sitting very difficult.