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smileyeagle1021
12-21-2015, 10:29 PM
... but an entire industry.
Yeah, finally had that moment last week.
I was talking with a new(er) employee on the count team, who was surprised how busy it was this time of year, and I replied quite calmly and matter of factly, "of course it is busy this time of year, people are trying to win money to pay for Christmas."
His reply was "so basically we are counting people's Christmas money for the next few weeks."
I don't know why, I've known for a while that casinos profit off of those who can least afford it, and I've always justified it as, no casino has ever forced someone to gamble, they made the choice, and I still believe that to this day, the casinos aren't some evil group of thugs roughing people up, but it still feels dirty to be involved in the industry.
I so need a different job and a change of scenery.

wolfie
12-21-2015, 10:48 PM
From what I've seen (from the outside), casinos have all sorts of gaudy lighting displays, and numerous promotional giveaways (back in '06, the Red Garter in Wendover NV was even giving away a 379 Peterbilt). The money for this has to come from somewhere - with a bit of common sense, you can see that casinos take in far more money as bets than they pay out as winnings.

If someone views it as entertainment, and doesn't spend more than they can afford, I say go for it (even though it's not my cup of tea). If someone spends money that's needed for a necessity in hopes of winning enough to balance their budget, they've got a problem.

notalwaysright
12-21-2015, 11:05 PM
A manager at my work goes with her husband every once in a while... They eat dinner, and take a certain amount of money each (like $20) and play until either it's gone, or they feel like going home. I see it like alcohol. Some people can have a drink and enjoy an evening, and some people wake up in a drunk tank.

Food Lady
12-22-2015, 02:38 AM
I see it like alcohol. Some people can have a drink and enjoy an evening, and some people wake up in a drunk tank.
You just described my relationship with cookies. And ice cream.

Android Kaeli
12-22-2015, 03:00 AM
I see it like alcohol. Some people can have a drink and enjoy an evening, and some people wake up in a drunk tank.

This is me. I've gambled at a casino three times in the past five years ] and didn't spend more then maybe $250 in total. That amount could be more, but I figure since I most likely won't be doing it again for another couple of years it's okay.

Aria
12-22-2015, 04:09 AM
I've been to Vegas. I budgeted 100 dollars a day for gambling. I spent the week there, so I lost 700 dollars. I was cool with that, it was endless entertainment... I could have only lost 400 but I realized I had extra on the final day so I played the progressive slots. :lol:

Honestly, I don't think casinos or the industry are evil. Unfortunately, there will always be those for whom gambling is an addiction.

Marmalady
12-22-2015, 07:25 AM
As my father would say, there's a difference between scratching your backside and tearing it to bits.

Sadly, whether it's drinking, gambling, shopping, or whatever, there are always going to be those who can't stop at the first option.

reimero
12-22-2015, 12:35 PM
I get the dilemma, though. No, nobody is forcing anyone to gamble, but at the same time, it's impossible for someone in smileyeagle's situation to ignore the fact that people do act foolishly and often out of desperation, and that casinos often profit greatly. The key difference between working at a casino and working at a bar is that a reputable bartender or server will recognize when a customer is in a dangerous place (i.e. drunk) and will take appropriate action (e.g. trying to confiscate keys, call a cab, cut them off, etc.), whereas a disreputable bartender or server will continue to serve (in many cases risking his or her liquor license.) Casinos aren't as cut-and-dried.

I'm not saying casinos are evil places: I've gambled a few times myself (and actually am ahead over my lifetime - I hit one medium-sized prize and really don't gamble much; it's not like I'm good). But the nature of casinos is such that they will get people gambling who can't afford to, and they will be taking money from people who can't afford to lose it. In that sense, though, it's no different from the gas station/convenience store/grocery store clerk who sells lottery tickets to people who have to choose between gambling and eating/meds/what have you.

And it takes a big person to walk away from a good gig because it gnaws at their personal conscience.

mjr
12-22-2015, 01:54 PM
Rule #1 of gambling: "The house" always wins...

To me, it's kinda like the movie "War Games" (the safest strategy is not to play).

However, if you're going to play, your safest bet (based solely on my research and nothing else) is to play Craps, and either bet pass/come or don't pass/don't come.

It only pays 1:1, but the "house odds" are the lowest (1.41% and 1.36%, respectively).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps#Bet_odds_and_summary

Here's also an interesting article from The Daily WTF about a gambling "strategy" and how futile it is...it's also a good illustration of "The Gambler's Fallacy".

http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Knocking-Me-Off-The-Perch

Ghel
12-22-2015, 02:23 PM
Casinos do promotions to draw people in, but they also do things to keep people in for as long as possible. There's never a clock or a window in viewing distance of a slot machine. It's easy to lose track of time that way and spend more than you had intended.

The casinos on the reservations here in Minnesota are the same way. Yeah, they bill themselves as a "resort," with boating, fishing, golfing, etc., but those are all things that they use to draw people in to the casino. Then you get stuck in the same maze of machines with no windows or clocks in sight.

The last time I was in a casino, I spent the majority of my time in the arcade. If I'm going to lose money, I might as well enjoy it.

Geek King
12-22-2015, 08:50 PM
Here (http://wizardofodds.com/)'s one of my favorite sites about the mathematics of gambling. He works (or did work) as a professional odds maker for casino games, and really goes into the nitty gritty of how the calculations go, what strategies take best advantage of game features, and whatnot. He also has some fun industry stories from years of doing this stuff. Also a wonderful way to convince yourself not to gamble :D

LoTech
12-22-2015, 09:19 PM
The last time I was in a casino, I spent the majority of my time in the arcade. If I'm going to lose money, I might as well enjoy it.

The nearest actual restaurant (as opposed to a bar equipped with an auto-fry) to my house is in an Indian casino in Minnesota. I WISH that they had an arcade in that place! Free WiFi and self serve fountain drinks don't provide much alternative to the one-armed bandits. The SO and I do occasionally take in the buffet.

mjr
12-22-2015, 09:30 PM
I do have an interesting question about casinos...

Card games aside, if you start winning decent amounts of money, but you aren't doing anything illegal, can casinos ask you to leave?

I know it violates the "Gambler's Fallacy", but work with me.

If I follow a modified version of the following procedure here (http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Knocking-Me-Off-The-Perch)

1. Monitor roulette tables until a color comes up 3 consecutive times.
2. Go to table and bet on opposite color (not a specific number)
3. If the bet is successful, go back to step 1.
4. If the bet is NOT successful, bet 1.5x as much (instead of $10, bet $15)
5. If that bet fails, go back to step #1.

And I start with, let's say $100 in my "bank", but I end up after a time with $5,000, can the casino ask me to leave or ask me not to play anymore? And could I get into legal trouble?

I mean, I've heard stories of people going into casinos, and "cleaning them out" (to use the phrase) and the casino trying to get them into some sort of legal trouble.

Not that $5,000 is a lot to a casino, I'm just wondering.

Chromatix
12-23-2015, 01:30 AM
If they think you've found a genuine fault in their games which you're using to cheat, rather than simply getting lucky, then they will kick you out. That's what the millions of cameras are for.

Of course, the luckier you are, and more particularly the longer and more consistent your lucky streak, the more suspicious they'll get and the more scrutiny you'll invite.

Tama
12-23-2015, 02:03 AM
I've always been told that the best machines are near the entrance because they want you to see people winning when you go by

eltf177
12-23-2015, 04:24 PM
My brother used to do this when we visited our uncle in Las Vegas or when his was in the area of Atlantic City, NJ. He's take US$500 or so and have a night out. Any winnings would be played until he'd lost all that money. Then he'd quit. It was just a lot of fun and he got free drinks and a buffet for his trouble. This was only once in a while, like 5-6 times a decade. He doesn't do it anymore, just too busy.

Unlike me who had a rather serious gambling problem when I was younger, I finally learned my lesson and don't do that anymore...

sstabeler
12-23-2015, 10:01 PM
If they think you've found a genuine fault in their games which you're using to cheat, rather than simply getting lucky, then they will kick you out. That's what the millions of cameras are for.

Of course, the luckier you are, and more particularly the longer and more consistent your lucky streak, the more suspicious they'll get and the more scrutiny you'll invite.

It depends- I'm not sure they'll kick you out of the casino, but I'm 99% sure they'll 'ask' you to find a different game to play if you're winning a particularly large amount.

but yeah, a Casino can throw you out for just about any reason, IIRC, but you'll only actually be prosecuted for cheating.

EricKei
12-24-2015, 03:53 PM
Just a heads-up, guys: Some posts in here are veering sharply into FTSTS ("Failure to see the suck") territory. Please keep in mind that, especially at a casino, it's likely that nobody short of Pit Boss level management can get away with "cutting off" a gambler if he's not bothering anyone else. In other words, Smiley most likely canNOT tell anyone to go home, or affect much of anything else with regards to how the place is run, no matter how much he may want to. Whether you (or Smiley, or anyone else) approves of the industry a member here works in is irrelevant; this site is here so workers can vent about their experiences. Thus, if all you have are criticisms of the OP himself, knock it off or take it to Fratching.
I do have an interesting question about casinos...

Card games aside, if you start winning decent amounts of money, but you aren't doing anything illegal, can casinos ask you to leave?
but yeah, a Casino can throw you out for just about any reason, IIRC, but you'll only actually be prosecuted for cheating.

sstabeler is correct. Local ordinances about things such as card counting aside, a casino is still a business -- and, as such, can choose who their patrons are. In other words, they have the Right to Refuse Service.

smileyeagle1021
12-25-2015, 05:00 PM
And it takes a big person to walk away from a good gig because it gnaws at their personal conscience.

Yeah, if only it was a good gig... I'm making about $10k a year less than I should based on BLS statistics with practically no career path. I love my coworkers, and that is about the best thing that can be said about the job.

I've always been told that the best machines are near the entrance because they want you to see people winning when you go by

Legally, all machines are supposed to have the same odds... in reality, all machines will be within a statistical relevance of being the same odds... but, the ones at the more generous end of that statistical margin of relevance, will be near the doors, near the restaurants, and near the cage (the first thing you see, and what you see while you are waiting).

it's likely that nobody short of Pit Boss level management can get away with "cutting off" a gambler if he's not bothering anyone else.

I'm not even front of house... I don't even see the self harm activity until after it is a done deal and truly nothing can be done. And as much as I would love to say, not my circus, not my monkeys, it is hard, especially this time of year when it is more common (most of the time, I have no problem with it, because it is such a minor portion of our business, but this time of year it seems to balloon).

smileyeagle1021
12-26-2015, 10:23 PM
So, I was discussing this with some people on a facebook group for people who grew up in Reno... and I was told in no uncertain circumstances that as a Renoite, I am a, and I quote, dumbass mother :censored: for not appreciating casinos and everything they have done for our "culture", that casinos are what made us great and we should be thankful for everything they have done for us. That the only way Reno can be a unique city is to be proud of the casinos (because, you know, there aren't casinos in over half the states by now, and it's not as if Vegas didn't do the whole casino thing better, sorry Reno, you are my home, but I have to be honest, Vegas won).
Yeah, so apparently, I should be proud to work in an industry built on a get rich quick scheme, which offers no career path, and underpays by thousands of dollars.
I am so open for ideas on relocation for places with good accounting jobs, reasonable requirements to sit for the CPA exam (eg, not Texas or Utah which require you to have a full masters degree to sit for the exam, most states only require a 150 credit bachelors), that aren't too expensive, and I won't be accused of being a "dumbass mother :censored: " for not being in love with an industry that frankly isn't that lovable (not that hateable either, it's not an evil industry, they aren't out clubbing baby seals or anything like that, but just because you don't have any reason to hate them doesn't mean you need to love them, I'm sure we all have neighbors like that).

dawnfire
12-26-2015, 11:43 PM
I've always been told that the best machines are near the entrance because they want you to see people winning when you go by

my biggest win ($700) in a casino was off a machine near the door. hubby was drooling over a high powered boat, which was the big jackpot. I wandered over to nearest bank of machines.I threw 2 dollars into a recently vacated machine and got $700 much to the disgust of the lady next to me who had just vacated the machine.

EricKei
12-27-2015, 01:19 AM
My biggest win ever was on a Wheel of fortune gimmick slot machine where I got the biggest available payoff short of the jackpot -- $250. I had been in the casino less than half an hour, and playing for less than ten miutes. My dad and his friend looked at me kinda funny when I pocketed my winnings and said that I'd done what I went there to do/was ready to leave :devil: I ended up waiting for them for another four hours, eventually breaking down and losing another $40 in a different slot machine.

dalesys
12-27-2015, 02:55 AM
I won a T-shirt on a wheel-of-fortune today at the plasma center...

It's red. :eek:

Th-th-that's ...

Aria
12-27-2015, 04:07 AM
I won a T-shirt on a wheel-of-fortune today at the plasma center...

It's red. :eek:

Th-th-that's ...

Oh no, a red shirt?!? We'll all bring flowers. :lol:

pzychobitch
12-28-2015, 04:06 AM
You just described my relationship with cookies. And ice cream.

described my relationship with pizza 100%

Seshat
12-28-2015, 10:40 AM
I'm not familiar enough with the US to give you location recommendations, smiley, but I do say 'good for you' for deciding when to just up and change industries.

And the Reno folks who are going all 'you should be proud of the casinos' are ... bleargh. You're you, not them. Your feelings and opinions are unique to you, and you're entitled to have them.

Strathclyde
12-30-2015, 06:26 AM
My dad is the only one in my family who gambles (and even he does so infrequently and with a set budget) and his biggest win was $1000 on the airport slot as we were heading home from Reno. He put it in for shits and giggles. :lol:

CyberLurch
12-30-2015, 10:22 AM
My dad is the only one in my family who gambles (and even he does so infrequently and with a set budget) and his biggest win was $1000 on the airport slot as we were heading home from Reno. He put it in for shits and giggles. :lol:

I'd giggle and possibly shit if I won $1000.

Hell, I'd probably do it for $10.

Shyla
12-30-2015, 07:15 PM
I say pick a new place to live partly based on climate. Do you want sun or snow? Changing seasons or not? Which natural disaster can you best live with: earthquake, tornado, blizzard, flood, etc. there will be a couple of states with that climate and then you can check CPA requirements.

wolfie
12-30-2015, 11:22 PM
Of course, "climate" also includes the probable reaction if someone finds out about a controversial aspect of your personal life. For example, if you're an AD&D player:

Good climate: "Which edition? One of my friends is running a 2nd level campaign, and Joe in housekeeping knows someone running a Pathfinder campaigh."

Bad climate: "We don't need devil worshipers like you in this town!"

Chromatix
01-05-2016, 01:30 AM
Second the climate thing. I hate hot weather roughly as much as Jester hates the cold. So he's the one who lives in Florida, and I'm the one who lives in Finland.

Mr Hero
01-05-2016, 04:31 AM
Rule #1 of gambling: "The house" always wins...


And even when they lose on individual bets, I read that casinos will use those instances of people winning to promote their casino as a way of saying, "Hey look! This guy won big at our casino! It could happen to you too!"

wolfie
01-05-2016, 06:14 AM
Yep, unlike the customers, the casinos don't flirt with Lady Luck. They hoist a few beers with Old Man Probability.

WishfulSpirit
01-06-2016, 05:04 PM
I'd recommend Changing Careers for Dummies. Great book about the ins and outs of finding the right fit and landing your dream job.

smileyeagle1021
01-07-2016, 11:06 PM
And even when they lose on individual bets, I read that casinos will use those instances of people winning to promote their casino as a way of saying, "Hey look! This guy won big at our casino! It could happen to you too!"

Yup, I used to work at a place that had the slogan "we love winners", and our joke was, yeah, because the winners encourage the losers to come in. Where I work now will deliver up to $10k jackpots to you directly at your machine, discretely of course, but just not discrete enough that everyone around you realizes you just got something big, this area is hot, better double down while the going is good.