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Dragonlover
08-05-2007, 09:53 PM
Ok, I know that there's plenty of gamers on here, so I figured I'd make a thread where we could discuss the hobby in all it's myriad forms.

Myself, I used to play 40K but now I just read the novels for it, with regards to RP I'm in a World of Warcraft D20 game every Sunday and a Mage: the Ascension (old WoD) chronicle on Thursdays thats been running for about three years now. Used to play Magic as well.

So, heres as good a discussion topic to start with as any: Whats your fave game system? Personally, I'll take oWoD over nWoD or D20 any day.

Computer-wise, I'm playing a lot of Diablo 2 and the odd bit of Guild Wars. Used to play WoW, but weaned myself off it.

Dragonlover

Jack T. Chance
08-06-2007, 01:16 AM
These days, my favorite game system is definitely my PC! :D

I'm into Role Playing Games, and ALL the best ones out right now are on the PC: Diablo II, Neverwinter Nights, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Sacred (a Diablo clone where you get to ride a horse and do horseback combat! ^_^), Star Wars: KOTOR 2: The Sith Lords, Neverwinter Nights 2, and Titan Quest (another Diablo clone, this one set in ancient Greece. Sadly, it's the closest thing we'll get to a Diablo III for the foreseeable future. But at least it's every bit as good as Diablo II! :D)

I also play the occasional First Person Shooter, and for those games, it's impossible to beat the keyboard & mouse for control... especially since I use a Razer Copperhead, one of the best gaming mice around! :D

After my PC, my 2nd favorite is my Nintendo DS Lite, because I can take it to work to play DS and GBA games during the downtime! :cool:

CaroPhoenix
08-06-2007, 01:45 AM
I'd play games on my PC or my Playstation 2. However, I can't because any type of movement on the games gives me headaches & sea-sickness-feelings. Yay me.

The only RPG game I can play is "Puzzle Quest" for my Nintendo DS. (Got it for Christmas 2006 along with the Tetris DS). Puzzle Quest is awesome - you fight the foes bascially doing the "Bejeweled" type game (matching 3 or more gems of the same color). If there were more like those, I'd be playing all the time.

Knightmare
08-06-2007, 02:09 AM
I'm a PC FPS guy all the way.
Currently I am playing STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl
Doom3, Doom ROE, Halo, Half-life (all episodes and spinoffs- Can't wait for the next episode!) etc etc.

Yeah, I like to kill zombies and blow up barrels.

But I also like to play Populous: The Beginning. I've had that game forever, and I still love it. Especially on cheat mode. ;)

NightWolf
08-06-2007, 04:32 AM
I'm a fairly dedicated PC guy. Play everything from FPS to MMO's. Currently running WoW like a madman. Mainly because I can't afford the insane prices of PC technology like, spending $600.00 on video cards every 6 months.

But, I was able to snag a PS3 and am quickly falling in love with the games. Currently only have Resistance: fall of man and Motorstorm, but I also have Gamefly and have loved Rainbow Six:Vegas, and just recently got Ninja Gaiden: Sigma. Anxiously awaiting the new version of Madden NFL. I love the football series of games and think this may be the WoW killer for me.

Can't wait to see Unreal Tournament III and Assassin's Creed. As much as I'd like to play games like UTIII and Quake Wars on a PC, I'm afraid I just won't be able to justify a massive hardware upgrade just to be able to play these games. It's bad enough that i'm already running vista, but upgrading to run Vista AND play these new games would kill my funds. :cry:

Greenday
08-06-2007, 04:45 AM
Current games I'm playing...

America's Army (Proud member of the Short Bus Posse)
Shadowbane (my friend just got me addicted to it, and it's FREE!)

War of Supremacy (www.warofsupremacy.com)
Manager League (www.managerleague.com)

Those last two are text-based games. First one is Axis vs. Allies, second one you manage a soccer team, train players, trade players, etc.

DarthRetard
08-06-2007, 05:15 AM
Real Time Strategy for the win.

Funny thing about my job at GameStop, I have no downtime, so I can't ever play my GBA, lol.

Starcraft, Warcraft III and my all time favorite game ever:

Guitar Hero (all of em.)

I also play fighter games, not like Mortal Kombat and Virtua Fighter, but Naruto and DBZ.


Oh, and WoW, too. (Gnome Rogue bitches.)

DrFaroohk
08-06-2007, 05:54 AM
I like playing a lot of oldschool DOS games...Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe, Prince of Persia, Betrayal at Krondor, and all the Quest for Glory games (I-IV anyway). For more modern games, I love playing KOTOR I and II, and I usually play at least a few rounds of Day of Defeat every day (I go by "Johnny Favorite" on there, if anyone else here plays and has seen me).

I used to play Diablo II a lot but I got sick of it...make a character...go out, level up, get good gear, get good MF gear...so I can find even better gear...and then I can trade that gear for even better gear...so I can start a new character and give it all that gear...so I can go out and level him up...get even better MF gear...so I can get al the cool rare items and runes and stuff...so I can trade those for even better things...so I can trade again for the best stuff ever...then I start all over with the best ever gear...then level that character up...so I can get more MF gear...

God I hate diablo. They even screw with you on stats. It's like "chance to hit evil demon - 95 percent!" how many times do I hit the evil demon? One in a hundred. Yeah, that's great.

Ok, done ranting about Diablo.

NightAngel
08-06-2007, 06:15 AM
I love playing KOTOR I and II...

KOTOR I was awesome!

KOTOR II was okay. Bioware had a great storyline/characters/etc. going which Obsidean bombed. The game was glitchy and very apparently rushed. There were entire side stories dropped in their rush to production and the ongoing storylines were too hard to get to. I spent an hour at one point entering and exiting the Ebon Hawk with different characters just to see what advanced storylines there were. Too much. KOTOR I made you work for it but not to the insane degree. I advanced the storyline pretty far before I discovered that it cuts off and dies an abrupt death. As a matter of fact I was called a liar on the GameSpot forums because none of those dweebs could get the storyline so far. :lol:

I would love to see Bioware do a third KOTOR and wrap up the series but it looks like Lucas Arts has dumped the project completely.

:cry:

KOTOR II: The Sith Lords Restoration Project (http://www.team-gizka.org/)

Dragonlover
08-06-2007, 09:19 AM
DrFaroohk, I'm guessing you were a ladder player? SP is so much better, especially with ATMA (basically a third party program that lets you stash as much as you want). I'm currently doing a load of Nightmare Mephisto runs to oufit my characters.

I couldn't get into NWN. I think it was the radial system, coupled with the fact that my graphics card made anything you interact with a series of stripy neon lines rather than the actual texture.

Dragonlover

Plaidman
08-06-2007, 11:57 AM
DrFaroohk, I'm shocked that someone knows about Betrayal at Krondor. That was the first computer game I ever owned. Don't know what happened to it, besides, got a new computer since that game was released what, ten years ago? Books are good too.

Anyway, Total Dungeons and Dragons 3.5 edition nerd here. I own every book released for it. Sad, but I have fun reading them, and I got a weekly game. I sometimes play Vampire, but I got a terrible DM for that. Ususally its four or five NPCs that join the group, each that act pretty much the same, (Drittz Clones, cept vampires and more emo) that kill all bad guys and steal the spotlight.

RecoveringKinkoid
08-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Haven't played anything since I had a baby two years ago. Didn't play a lot of on line stuff much, but I played a little of husband's World of Warcraft on occasion. Neither of us has played anything at all recently.

As for computer games, always liked first person shooters. Particularly liked Duke Nukem and Futurecop (just to show you how long ago THAT was.). And I loved Myst, Dust, and Riven (American West and Steampunk! Yeah!).

Back in the old days my most favorite games were Mac Syndicate and a weird little puzzle game called Space Station Pheta.

But actually, I'd rather sit around with friends and play a good old fashioned table top. Boot Hill being my vice of choice. (Boot Hill is rare enough, but then I played with a gang of mostly chicks, so that was even more weird.) I'm a big western genre fan.

Dragonlover
08-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Drizzt but *more* emo and in V:tM? Stuff that. And yes, the R.E Fiest books rock, although I've not played Betrayal at Krondor.

Dragonlover

Rahmota
08-06-2007, 03:51 PM
I cannot play RPGs on the computer. they are too limiting as I'll think of about a dozen thigns I want to try and do but none of them are permittsd by the program. bah. Aklthough I did used to play the Kings Quest and liesure suit larry and space quest series of games....

I play AD&D and Palladium books lineup of games. Have played gamma world and werewolves but never got into vampire. I hate about 90% of what version 3.0 and 3.5 did to the game (nbot to mention that most of the artwork sucks) but then I've branched off and written my own house rules book for the past 5 years or so for my game worlds. Considering how I started back with AD&D first edition and have played d&D where elf is a class I think I can do that. :)

Caveat Emptor
08-06-2007, 06:17 PM
I'm now trying to start a new game on Civ Iv: Beyond the Sword (the new exp. pack.) Prior to that I was playing Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun. I like turn-based strategy games with a historical aspect.

Geek King
08-06-2007, 06:42 PM
</bad french accent on>
Ah, the thread, she calls to me... :lol:
</bad french accent off>

Enough with the video games, though I do love them. I think the thread starter was talking more about tabletop and pen-and-paper RPGs. I'm currently playing in the following campaigns: D&D 3.5 modified Spelljammer, Mekton Zeta, Mekton Zeta mixed with Crimson Skies; Teenagers From Outer Space; DC Heroes; Star Wars D6; Fading Suns

I'm also currently running a Mekton Zeta mixed with Silent Death campaign.

There is also the occasional games of Tales From the Floating Vagabond, Injurious Games, Call of Cthulu or Munchkin Super-blender (we have all the sets, and are not afraid to use them) thrown in. These are more one-nighter type of games though :D

I have also played D&D (the origional red book. I got your THAC0, monkey-boy), all versions of AD&D, Marvel Super heroes (origional [yay!] and Saga [blech]), Deadleands, 7th Sea (All GMs should read the GMs guide for this. Wick is a genious. Improved my gaming style an untold amount), Legend of the Five Rings, Cyberpunk 2 & 3, a Vampire LARP, and whole shelves of D20 material.

For those who care, Video game wise, I'm currently playing Brave Storey, Dungeon Maker, Guitar Hero 2 (360 version, as Ogredjinn. Feel free to say Hi), Tenchu Z, WoW, and LOTR online.

So yah....if you're in the Dayton, OH area and need a game, I can get you into one, more than likely. Send me a PM and we can work it out.

Dragonlover
08-06-2007, 07:37 PM
Ah, Munchkin... now theres a game. Call of Cthulu is also awesome, especially if you go into it with the sure knowledge that you will at some point be killed in a rather impressive way. I got eaten by a creature made completely from eyes that was powering a generator. After becoming schizophrenic.

Has anyone played Castle Falkenstein?

Dragonlover

Rahmota
08-07-2007, 02:32 AM
Call of Cthulu is also awesome

All COC the only game where if your character doesnt get eaten or driven mad then you've done something wrong!!!!!

NightWolf
08-07-2007, 04:28 AM
Used to play Warhammer 40K. Waaaay back when I was a wee one. Had a small army of Elder. Even had the awsome Harlequin pack with Web guns. I was hated for having them.

Then I kinda got out of it when my partner in crime moved away. A few years back I ran into a hobby store that had the miniatures and I convinced a co-worker of mine to go in on a starter set with me. The Space Marine/Dark Eldar set. Yeah, of course, I wanted those bad ass Dark Eldar. So, I got the set, picked up a few additions for my army, painted both armies while sitting at work, and then the lil punk got fired for stealing. So, there I sat with 2 armies, and no one to play with. :(

It's a cruel world.

NightAngel
08-07-2007, 07:06 AM
Used to play Warhammer 40K. Waaaay back when I was a wee one...

Gotcha beat! I used to play WarHammer waaayyyy back before there was a 40K!

:D

Kara
08-07-2007, 07:28 PM
So many games, so little time.

My first system was the NES when I was 8. Since "girl" games were crap back then (Barbie was about it), I got skilled in the Marios, Zeldas, Mega Mans and several great titles like Metroid (Samus is still one of my favorite characters. I like a woman who can kick ass and use heavy artillery). I got hooked on my first RPG, Dragon Warrior, when I saw the babysitter's son playing it one day. It intrigued me, this idea that there was more to gaming that crushing turtles and "platforming."

The SNES is probably still my favorite system. Sure, lots of great things came afterwards (I love my Wii, don't get me wrong), but the Super Nintendo represents a golden era of RPGs. Final Fantasy IV/VI, Secret of Mana, Ogre Battle, Zelda: Link to the Past, Soulblazer, Illusion of Gaia, Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and one of the greatest games of all time: Chrono Trigger.

I don't play many computer games anymore (because most of them want a subscription and I won't do it. I already bought the game, I'm not about to pay you just to play something I already own). I used to be hooked on Diablo II (Sorceress all the way), Age of Empires, Jedi Knight, and the Sims.

CaroPhoenix
08-07-2007, 09:43 PM
I play D&D 3.5. I mainly play it because: 1. It's easier to figure out for a gamer who hadn't gamed in years and THAC0 really confuzzied the heck out of me! 2. I play Living Greyhawk & Living Eberron and because WoTC sponsors the RPGA (RolePlaying Gamers Association), we have to use the latest, most-up-to-date versions of D&D.

Right now I'm in a home campaign of Eberron. Hubby is running it.

I've played Vampire/Werewolf (it was a gurped version of the game - 4 players, 3 wanted to play Vampire and 1 wanted to play Werewolf - that was fun!)

I have never played Call of Cthulu :ashamed: Husband won't let me. I have no clue, but every time I say I want to play, he vetoes it. Someday, when I'm old enough I can play I guess.

I have played Spycraft 1.0. (Living Spycraft, no home campaign). I haven't played Spycraft 2.0, but I think hubby will be playing the Live version at Gen*Con.

Otherwise, I like playing simple computer games (i.e., Solitaire - yay!)

Plaidman
08-07-2007, 09:58 PM
and <b>the</b> greatest game of all time: Chrono Trigger.
.

Fixed for you.

Gravekeeper
08-09-2007, 08:18 AM
Currently playing:

EQ2 ( Need my online rpg fix )
Caesar 4 ( Need my sim fix. )
Just finished up KOTOR again.....waiting for the KOTOR2 fan project to restore all the stuff Obsidian never finished before I dive into it though. ( Need my normal rpg fix )
Obsidian made a complete mess of NWN2 as well. That was a huge disappointment. =/
BF 2142 ( Need my shoot people fix. )

Oh, and I just beat Ouendan 2 on 4 star. I have now successfully beaten/S-ranked 4 star girlie mode on Ouendan, Elite Beat Agents and Ouendan 2. I am full of rhythmic awesome. ^^

AFter EBA though, if I ever meet anyone from the Rolling Stones I'll likely punch them in the face. ><

Aldous
08-09-2007, 09:12 AM
Great, now I wanna play KOTOR, since I've been watching Star Wars, but I can't find my disk.
Final Fantasy: Love the series. I'm just a nerd when it comes to it. My closest friends were gonna get 16 bit tattoos of the character type that fit us the most.
Fire Emblem: Favorite tactics game
Used to play WoW, but I lost interest after awhile.
I used to play the Call of Cthulhu videogame, but it was my ex's and we're not exactly on speaking terms. (I WANT THAT GAME!!!!!)
Still, none of the new games can hold a candle to the old Sega Gen. games. Sonic FTW! I even own the comic books :lol:

lordlundar
08-09-2007, 03:17 PM
Samus is still one of my favorite characters. I like a woman who can kick ass and use heavy artillery).

Have you seen her in Smash brothers Brawl? I wish people luck dodging her Zero Cannon. To bad it trashes her armor.:)

As for me, oh crap, where do I begin? Meh, I'll just say what I'm Playing now and what my faves are. At current, I'm Playing C&C3 and City of Heroes/Villains. (lvl21 scrapper on justice and lvl18 stalker on virtue) FF10 and 10-2 for my PS2, and the umpteenth run on Xenogears for PSX as well as Super Paper Mario on the Wii.

Fave games:

Xenogears: I have yet to be bored of it, mainly due to try and figure out the story. If you can figure it out in one play through, my congrats to you.

CastleVania, Symphony of the Night: The best CastleVania game to date. Imitated on GBA/DS, Imutated on PS2, still better than any I've seen.

Kingdom Hearts series: heck, the final boss fight in KH2 alone puts it up there.

Legacy of Kain series (with the exception of Blood omen 2) not the best gameplay, but an awesome story and the best voice acting ever.

Mech 4, Mercenaries: My mayhem game. To play when I want to blow stuff up.

Kilamon
08-09-2007, 06:57 PM
I used to do the tabletop games til I moved and lost my group. :( AD&D 2nd Edition for the win. GURPS and Rifts were close second.

Today, I play games on my kickass pc. I downloaded Bloodrayne last week and I have Bloodrayne 2 waiting for me as well (the beauty of Gametap). I've been playing EQ1 since January of 2000 and have a 75th level necro. I tried wow but found it to be too cartoon like and the players all seemed like children.

I recently finished Psychonauts. The fiancée finished Restaurant Empire a couple weeks ago. Games are a constant here. :D I just picked up the Civ4 expansion and I'm looking forward to some of that tonight or this weekend.

RichS
08-10-2007, 02:32 AM
My gaming addiction started when I was 12, with the Atari 2600. First game? The Space Invaders packed in with the system, of course.

It's just grown from there - a ColecoVision, then I discovered PC gaming first with the Commodore 64's at school, an Apple IIe Plus, then a Commodore Amiga 1000 (both bought to do schoolwork, hah!). Went back to consoles with a Sega Genesis w/ CD & 32X adapters, then a NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, 3DO, Sega Saturn, & Sega Dreamcast.

I had to buy my wife a computer to do work at home, so I discovered Windows PC gaming with Doom. In fact, if it wasn't the fact I'd gotten back into PC gaming, I wouldn't have started first making the current machine better, then building my first of 13 machines, and not had the urge to be a tech.

Nowadays, I still do console and PC gaming - stats on my PC can be seen in the tricked out PC thread, and I have had a PS2 for about a year now. I'm a platform gamer mostly on the PS2, and I really like my shooters on the PC.

Now, I'm getting ready for the new baby and school in the Fall, so gaming's taken a back seat right now. Not to say I don't still play - I just finished Flatout on the PC (got hooked on the Flatout 2 demo), and I'm halfway through Jak and Daxter on the PS2.

NightAngel
08-10-2007, 04:43 AM
:Stoked about RE: Extinction:

Of course, I can't let a gaming thread go by without mentioning Resident Evil since it IS my favorite game of all time.

Has anyone else ever played Eternal Darkness on the Cube? That's a really enjoyable survival horror game also.

My gaming addiction started when I was 12, with the Atari 2600. First game? The Space Invaders packed in with the system, of course.


My first game system was Pong. I was an only child so I played against myself- a controller for each hand. :)

I just want a regular old XBOX right now. All my XBOX games are sitting on the shelf staring at me... they want to be played...

ArenaBoy
08-10-2007, 07:33 AM
I'm saving to get a 360 so I can play GTA IV and Assassin's Creed. I just picked up God of War II and I have to say it's as great as the first. And yes I am a little behind the game times for GOW. :)

Dragonlover
08-10-2007, 11:16 AM
I still haven't played God of War. I want to, but we have too many games on the go at the moment, including all three Prince of Persia games. We're halfway through all three of them, so when we fire one up we can't remember what we're supposed to be doing, get annoyed and play Guitar Hero instead.

Dragonlover

unholypet
08-10-2007, 11:28 PM
PC: World of Warcraft (troll/orc/draenei/human - all classes 60's-70), Tales of Pirates, Diablo

PS: Valkyrie Profile, Monster Hunter, Soul Calibur, Tekken, Tony Hawk's skateboard whatnot

PSP: Monster Hunter Freedom

XBOX: (soon to be) Two Worlds, Elder Scrolls: Morrowind/Oblivion, Fable, Random racing games, KOF... or was that one on PS?

Table: DnD (character/map maker), Magic: the Gathering, WoW, Star Trek (homemade)

gunsage
10-23-2007, 10:56 PM
Okay...here we go...

Favorites of the Moment

PS2 - God of War 2, Okami

PS1 - Xenogears, Final Fantasy 7

GC - Paper Mario 2

X Box - Scarface, The Godfather

PC - Psychonauts, Return to Zork

DS - Elite Beat Agents

PSP - Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Metal Gear Acid 2

Virtual Boy - Teleroboxer

SNES - Chrono Trigger

GBA - Metroid Fusion, Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow

Currently Playing

PS2 - Persona 3, Dark Cloud

PC - Fallout

DS - Brain Age

PSP - Monster Hunter Freedom

That about wraps it up. :D

Acolyte
10-23-2007, 11:22 PM
I don't have near as much gaming time as I'd like to (:cry:). Damn you, education!

Right now, I'm only really playing 2 games:
World of Warcraft (16 Blood Elf Warlock/Boulderfist, 30 Dranei Priest/Daggerspine, 41 Dranei Paladin and 46 Dwarf Hunter/Eldre'thalis)

Team Fortress 2 (Usually either Demoman, Engineer or Spy. Although I've been playing the Heavy a bit as well-nothing's more satisfying then that minigun.:devil:)

I also play Warhammer Fantasy (Brettonians) and Warhammer 40K (Tau) when I can, and I have a Classic Battletech company if I ever find a local group. Also, any tabletop RPG I can get my hands on (And I'm currently running Serenity RPG and d20 Modern games on the Sluggy Freelance forums).

gunsage
10-24-2007, 12:16 AM
The last multiplayer deathmatch game I played (and was ROCKING on until I got tired of the hackers and the fact that our company started blocking the servers) was Stick Arena. That's some fun stuff. Never really got into Halo...don't have any of the new systems, so no Gears of War, etc. But Stick Arena? Quick, fun, free! :D

DarthRetard
10-24-2007, 01:29 AM
My nomination for most underrated game goes to Conker's Bad Fur Day. If any of you have played it for the 64, you know what I'm talking about.

gunsage
10-24-2007, 04:39 AM
"Underrated?" This one received critical acclaim, actually. Much like virtually all other Rare titles for the N64, this one also received a Player's Choice tag. I bought it brand new when it first came out and recently sold it on Amazon for a preeeeeeeetty penny. :D You want to talk underrated? Check out the Shadow Hearts series.

protege
10-24-2007, 01:28 PM
The GTA series (especially San Andreas) is great for letting off steam. If I'm having a sucky day, I can't wait to get home, and go "blow some shit up." Even better, is to use the wanted-level cheat codes, and go on "unrestricted warfare" :devil: Also fun, is to turn on God mode in Doom (or Doom II), and use the rocket launcher to take out demons at point-blank range :p

I still haven't beaten KOTOR I. I keep getting pwned towards the end.

Acolyte
10-24-2007, 03:46 PM
My nomination for most underrated game goes to Conker's Bad Fur Day. If any of you have played it for the 64, you know what I'm talking about.

I luves mah Conkers. I heard a rumour that a Conkers game was coming out for the Wii...:D

Kara
10-24-2007, 05:29 PM
Let's see, favorite games....

NES: Dragon Warrior (Or Dragon Quest, if you prefer) 4, as well as the first 3, Final Fantasy, Mega Man (the whole series, but 2 was the best), both Zeldas (say what you will about it, but II is still one of my all-time faves), River City Ransom (BARF!), Kirby's Adventure, Super Mario Bros (most of all, Mario 3), the Ninja Gaiden series (for the record, Ninja Gaiden III doesn't count because it sucked), and Bubble Bobble.

SNES: Crono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy IV-VI, SoulBlazer, Illusion of Gaia, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid (the most perfect platformer ever), Mega Man X (1-3), Mario Kart (I'm a Mario Kart goddess, btw), Sailor Moon Super S Fuwa Fuwa Panic and Sailor Moon Stars Fuwa Fuwa Panic 2 (super cute puzzle games I had acess to thanks to the wonderful world of emulation), Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, and Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.

Playstation: Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, Lunar: Eternal Blue, Final Fantasy VII-IX, Parasite Eve (the second one was kind of "blah"), Legend of Legaia (a great concept that should have gone very far, but I heard the sequel for PS2 was complete ass), Mega Man X IV-VI (though admittedly, this is mainly due to franchise loyalty, the PS games jumped the shark), Metal Gear Solid, Front Mission 3, Final Fantasy Tactics, Um Jammer Lammy, Dance Dance Revolution Konamix, and Street Fighter Alpha II.

Gameboy Advance: The Entire Mega Man Zero series, Metroid Fusion and Metroid Zero Mission, Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga, Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Castlevania: Circle of the Moon, Mario vs Donkey Kong, Wario Ware, Yu-Gi-Oh! Ultimate Masters - World Championship Edition 2006 (shut up), and Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (not so much for the weak story, but for the unspoken fact that you are essentially the villain since you are fighting to undo the world of Ivalice).

Gamecube: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (I never had an N64, but I got the GC edition that came with my preorder of Wind Waker), Mario Kart: Double Dash (best Mario Kart to date, I'm eager to see if the Wii MK will be able to surpass it), Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Mario Party 4-7, Luigi's Mansion, Dead to Rights, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, and Donkey Konga 1 and 2.

Nintendo DS: The Phoenix Wright games, Mario Kart DS, Mario vs Donkey Kong 2, Cooking Mama, Kirby: Canvas Curse, Mario 64 DS, and Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. I just got my DS a couple months ago, so I don't have a lot of games right now. Also, I'm going to hereby declare the following upcoming games as already awesome: Final Fantasy IV (Remake for DS, looks magnificent), Final Fantasy Tactics A2 (will probably be FFT: DS in the states), Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney (Phoenix Wright's successor), and Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings.

Nintendo Wii: Metroid Prime 3, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Cooking Mama, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Mario Party 8, and Paper Mario. I'm also going to predict Super Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii (even though they haven't confirmed my beloved Daisy in it yet), Trauma Center: New Blood, and Super Smash Bros Brawl.

I'd also like to point out that Rayman Raving Rabbids is fun at first, but it nearly caused me to throw my Wii-mote through my TV in later parts of the game. It was sold to Gamestop, where it can inflict its wrath upon some unsuspecting fool.

Geek King
10-24-2007, 06:38 PM
Let's see, favorite games....

Playstation: Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, Lunar: Eternal Blue, Front Mission 3.

Gameboy Advance: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (not so much for the weak story, but for the unspoken fact that you are essentially the villain since you are fighting to undo the world of Ivalice).

Gamecube: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (I never had an N64, but I got the GC edition that came with my preorder of Wind Waker), Mario Kart: Double Dash

Marry me. Please. Okay, maybe a pity date? Fond look? Passing glance of non-committal?

So few people even know all these games (esp. Lunar and Front Mission), much less play them both. You'd fit in well with the rest of my herd of geeks.

Others I really enjoy:

Sega Saturn Radient Silvergun--import, best. scrolling. shooter. ever.

Sega Genesis Shadowrun--best videogame version of the tabletop game, Phantasy Star IV

SNES Rock and Roll Racing--Just good plain fun, Shadowrun--not as good as the genesis version, but still fun.

PC X-Com:Ufo Defense (UFO:Enemy Unknown in Europe)--Best game ever. One part RTS, one part Turn-based Strategy, and one part buisiness management. No attempts to recreate this game has ever succeded, although some have come close. I still play it today, after almost 15 years.
Battlefield 2142--I play as Gnon, and am a holy terror in a hovertank with the engineer class. I have been on servers where all attack aircraft were diverted to chasing me down when I was spotted in a hovertank. Especially since I could shoot transports out of the air on the move. I'm proud of that. I can also be a pain-in-the-ass sniper. Oddly, really the only FPS I enjoy, although I play CoD2 & 3 some.
Peggle--My recent obsession.
MMORPGs--No, really. I've played just about all of them at one point or another. My faves are WoW, Dungeon Runners, City of Heroes/Villians, looking forward to Hellgate:London and Warhammer MMO

Kara
10-24-2007, 07:30 PM
Sorry. Taken, and you're not my type (it's just that you'd have to be "Geek Queen" to have a chance with me ^_^).

I love Lunar. I have the punching puppet Ghaleon for preordering Eternal Blue. I even wore Lucia's pendant for quite awhile, until the gold-tone finish started to rub off the back. Too bad Dragon Song on DS was ass, I had been looking forward to seeing how the series got a step closer to the end (I think they're supposed to have 4).

gunsage
10-25-2007, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Lunar and Front Mission were pretty bad ass. More importantly with those...do NOT play Lunar Dragon Song...but DO check this out...

http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=fmgh

Along with this, the original was also trans'd. I think the second was on PS1 and so was another sort of gaiden, but of course, in Japanese only. Loved FFT and FFTA. Personally, I just love strategy/RPGs in general (pretty much anything Nippon Ichi, Ogre Battle series, Front Mission series, etc.).

Sega Genesis Shadowrun

Yep. That's an excellent one that I also reviewed. The SNES didn't really appeal to me all that much and it was hard to figure out where to go/what to do...etc. I beat that one, though, as opposed to the Genesis one. I kinda wanted to stay away from listing NES titles only because it's very hard for me to decide on "favorites." There were so many good ones, it's hard to say where to start.

I loved Conker as well, but it's kind of a tie between that and Perfect Dark for best N64 Rare title. Yes yes...Goldeneye was freakin' awesome, but I felt PD was better. Now that that's all been said (and with October almost being over), what do you guys think the best survival horror game is? Here's my top 3:

- Silent Hill 2
- Resident Evil 4
- Resident Evil (both original and remake)

I was actually going to have a top 10, then I realized that they would be almost entirely populated by RE and SH. Which is unfair, because you also have certain other titles that had good ideas, but bad execution (Clock Tower 3, Rule of Rose, Siren, etc.). Thoughts?

Geek King
10-25-2007, 04:13 PM
Sorry. Taken, and you're not my type (it's just that you'd have to be "Geek Queen" to have a chance with me ^_^).



<sigh> Sometime its like I have a detector built in. Do you have any idea how many times I have heard the "I like you. Its a shame you're not female." :o

At least you have good taste. You're still welcome to hang out with my geek herd anytime. :D

gunsage
10-26-2007, 10:33 PM
It's mine. MINE! Got the new Phoenix Wright game and I LOVE it. I'm only on the second episode, but I'm liking it already! I really had to hold myself back from buying Phantom Hourglass also, though. :( Hopefully once I get some stuff straightened out and sell more on Amazon, I'll be able to get more new stuff.

Of course, nothing TOO new, since I don't have any of the new systems. But hey, that also allows me to pick up all kinds of games for the PS2, etc. that have now been way discounted. :D

Kara
10-27-2007, 02:00 AM
Got the new Phoenix Wright game and I LOVE it.

Sigh, if it weren't for bills, it would be mine as well. That's okay, it will be mine. Oh yes, it will be mine.

I went to Gamestop on lunch today and caressed the box for Trials and Tribulations. And on the way out the door, I saw they have Super Mario Galaxy in the Wii, so I spent half my lunch hour playing it. It's freaking beautiful.

gunsage
10-27-2007, 07:54 PM
Not sure where you're located, but I've yet to play ANY Wii games because, while they have them on display, they won't give out the test controllers. This is primarily because initially, what with the shortage of Wii-chucks, people were stealing them. :rant: In any case, even though that "phase" is over, they still won't put them out. :(

I really want a Wii and I'm intrigued by the control system...ah well.

Kara
10-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Gamestop around here keeps them behind the counter. Actually, at the one I went to yesterday by where I work, they have them on the display. There is a non-removable cable going out of the Wii-mote and one out of the Wii-chuk. The two cables meet on the shelf of the display, which are also secured by a locking mechanism. I assume this will be available everywhere at some point.

gunsage
10-27-2007, 11:22 PM
I can only hope. I heard it was more generic than anything, but one game that intrigued me initially was Red Steel. This was because my silly, naive head was convinced that you could deflect bullets with the samurai sword...BUT I GUESS NOT. From what I've seen, it looks like the sword combat is relatively slow and dumb. On top of that, being able to point and shoot is cool, but ah, hasn't that been in the ARCADES for years and technically, HOME SYSTEMS (Zapper, Guncon, etc.) as well? Not that big a deal...oh well. :(

Gravekeeper
10-28-2007, 09:56 AM
Yeah, Lunar and Front Mission were pretty bad ass. More importantly with those...do NOT play Lunar Dragon Song

I recall giving a sermon to Kara about this game when she mentioned seeing it. A bitter, angry, disenchanted sermon full of tears and spite.

Kara
10-28-2007, 01:30 PM
I can only hope. I heard it was more generic than anything, but one game that intrigued me initially was Red Steel.

I remember reading several reviews all concluding that Red Steel is ass.

I recall giving a sermon to Kara about this game when she mentioned seeing it.

I'd rather be told that it sucks than find out from buying and playing it...

Gravekeeper
10-28-2007, 01:33 PM
Red Steel is ass. -.-

Gah, hour an a half to go here....save me.

gunsage
10-29-2007, 08:57 PM
You know, Dragon Song wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't for all the suck. Oh wait. :lol: Yeah, I LOVED the other Lunar games and absolutely FORCED myself to play it...I hated it with a passion. Boss fights were the worst. You'd get in over your head in the boss fights CONVINCED you were either supposed to survive for an amount of time or die as an event...neither of which were true. Suck-tastic.

In any case, I'm loving the new Phoenix Wright AND I just picked up Growlanser: Heritage of War...good stuff, but significantly tougher than the last Growlanser. Why tougher? Well, for anyone that's played Growlanser Generations (also PS2), you know that there can be quite a lot of things going on! It's a dedicated RTS/RPG and quite fun, but can be hard.

Well, take that, now imagine that it flows seamlessly from standard 3rd person 3D characters on 2D backgrounds style RPG to battle...and it's FAST. I mean...FAST. At least in the last one, the characters moved at a relatively standard speed...in this one they RUN. It's very hard to keep track of what's going on and as a result, you have to be quite quick on your feet.

Fun, but VERY hard so far.

DarthRetard
10-29-2007, 10:38 PM
Since this IS the gaming thread, officially, I guess i should announce it here:

I Have Conquered Guitar Hero 3.

To the bands who made badass songs, I thank you.

The band with the song that pissed me off more than anything in this green earth:

Fornicate YourSelf With An Flaming Spiked Iron Rod.......Queens Of The Stone Ages. I hate you. I hate you and your stupid rhythms. I hate your complicated ass chords, those suck on a controller you know! and 3's and 7's? What kind of retarded title name is that?

Anyway, unlocking Slash and being able to play as him may be the most gratifying thing to happen to me since beating GH2.

gunsage
10-30-2007, 04:18 AM
The ironic part about that post is that though I absolutely LOVE the first Guitar Hero, I've yet to get the second or third. All the same, I LOVE the first Karaoke Revolution, but I only have just that, too. Still, I have my DDR trainer on the computer (Stepmania) with over 2000 songs, so needless to say, I love rhythm/dance/misc games. :D

DarthRetard
10-30-2007, 04:33 AM
Gunsage, you're an absolutely awesome person so far, but please dont ever put guitar hero and DDR/Stepmania in the same category ever again. Kthxbai.:D

Broomjockey
10-30-2007, 05:08 AM
Gunsage, you're an absolutely awesome person so far, but please dont ever put guitar hero and DDR/Stepmania in the same category ever again. Kthxbai.:D

Yeah, everyone knows DDR is only about 500 times better than GH. I mean, check the arcades. There's never anyone at the one with a guitar. Hell, the one with drums gets more action.

Also, when the hell did they stop making, you know, actual games, and just start cranking out sequels and rythm games at the arcade. Virtual Cop 4? House of the Dead 3? :wtf: DDR 12? :cry:

DarthRetard
10-30-2007, 03:03 PM
:angel:Speaking of arcade shooters, Time Crisis 4 with the Guncon will be on PS3 exclusively from what I understand. And If we start a guitar hero bashing here, there will be bloody heads.

Broomjockey
10-30-2007, 03:10 PM
:angel:Speaking of arcade shooters, Time Crisis 4 with the Guncon will be on PS3 exclusively from what I understand. And If we start a guitar hero bashing here, there will be bloody heads.

Yeah, swinging those controllers around to smash them is likely to connect with a few heads, they're so large and unwieldy.

DarthRetard
10-30-2007, 03:12 PM
At least guitar hero is a pretty decent simulation of actual guitar playing, not a riverdancing representation on an arrowed mat meaning to simulate either dancing or ostrich mating season....

Broomjockey
10-30-2007, 03:52 PM
At least guitar hero is a pretty decent simulation of actual guitar playing, not a riverdancing representation on an arrowed mat meaning to simulate either dancing or ostrich mating season....

:p So there. (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070509)



Btw, I should mention, I'm picking up GH3 for Wii before Christmas :devil:

DarthRetard
10-30-2007, 04:10 PM
Yeah people with that attitude annoy me. For the record, in last month's Game Informer, Slash, in an interview admitted that GUitar Hero is more difficult than Guitar.

I just find it all in fun. I'll play DDR with friends, just not by myself, and the guys who are real good at that amaze me too. Especially the one legged DDR player...

Andara Bledin
10-30-2007, 11:20 PM
Mmm.... games....

So many games, so little time....

Right now, I'm playing Phoenix Wright: And Justice for All on the DS. I just recently got to the end of Puzzle Quest, and I'm still at the 12th floor in Etrian Odyssey (much to Nekojin's annoyance).

One game we have that we like to always mention when people talk console games is Culdcept. That game is actually rather awesome, and most of the people we talk to have never heard of it. We've inspired no less than half a dozen people to purchase it after playing it at conventions.

^-.-^

gunsage
10-31-2007, 12:49 AM
Actually, I group them together because I've successfully played (and more or less beaten) EVERY game "like that"...

- PaRappa the Rapper
- UmJammer Lammy
- Gitaroo Man
- Pretty much all tracks on pretty much all forms of DDR (yes, the later ones are HARD, but still playable)
- Elite Beat Agents
- Bust a Groove
- Guitar Hero
- Karaoke Revolution

I can't really think of too many others right now. I tried Amplitude or whatever it's called but didn't like it. I've been playing DDR since 2000, honestly, though lately I've gotten out of practice. By the way, now there's a House of the Dead 4. And don't get me wrong...I like the idea of having more than just a pistol (shotgun in 3, submachine gun in 4), but I feel they should've stopped at 2.

It was fun, it was challenging...it was just right. Oh yes...with all this Phoenix Wright talk, I'm guessing most people here enjoy adventure games, right? Check these out...

- Hotel Dusk: Room 215.
- Trace Memory.
- Indigo Prophecy.

Trace Memory isn't as good as Hotel Dusk, but it's still fairly decent. Indigo Prophecy is pretty nice, too, but it's an entirely different style in terms of adventure games. The nice part is most of these have become cheap now and are definitely worth checking out. Obviously, there's also the surgeon games for the DS, but I've yet to check into those.

DarthRetard
10-31-2007, 02:41 AM
I still set guitar hero apart from all those others, because, I don't know, it just seems so broken from the mold.

Guitar Hero takes the idea of being a rock and roll star, and puts it right into your hands with an effectively simple yet difficult concept.

I mean, DDR/Stepmania/Pump It Up are all great in their own respective rights, but the fact that the guitar hero franchise has taken something so american, and musical, and brought one of america's greatest musical forms and put it back into the playlists of people young and old, and helped bust video games right into the mainstream, it just seems so much higher above the rest.

Gravekeeper
10-31-2007, 05:58 PM
I love the hell out of EBA... ><

I've 4 star'd ( AKA Vinyl Bimbo Mode ) EBA and S Ranked it all....that wasn't enough so I picked up the Ouendan import ( The original Japanese EBA ). 4-Star'd ( AKA Schoolgirl Cheerleader Mode ) and S-Ranked that. Then I picked up Ouedan 2.....4-Star'd and S-Ranked that. Dear god the last song is the most evil fscking level yet. Plus Ouendan 2 halves the size of the circles in 4 Star. Its ebil.

Now I deliciously await either EBA 2 or Quendan 3. I'm not picky. Just give me at least ONE of them soon. PLEASE.

I can't rest on them until I've 4 star'd them all and s-ranked the finale. I have some sort of latent, devious need to prove complete mastership over the grove. Be it in English or Japanese. ><

gunsage
10-31-2007, 10:18 PM
Yeah, I was wondering if they were going to do any other EBAs. I mean, seriously, it's one of the top ten DS games. On top of that, it's something so painfully original and easy to pick up that it's great for just about any player. Theoretically, DDR could also make it on the DS (much like you can use the PS2 controller on console DDRs), but this is much better because it also implements the stylus, which is normally used crappily on other DS titles.

As far as Guitar Hero vs. DDR, here's my thoughts...

- Guitar Hero is great because they didn't try to say "Hold down the X button and flip the control stick to hit the beats!" or something retarded like that. No, they GAVE YOU A GUITAR. Nice.
- DDR on consoles isn't all that great. Sure, it's nice that they did make them, but I've yet to find a reliable dance pad that adequately rivals the steel stage in the arcades. When I can't FEEL what I'm hitting, I screw up constantly.

This is the primary reason I enjoy the trainer. I know the timing well enough that I still get in a good workout while truly knowing whether I was on or not. In other words, no I don't play on the keyboard...I set it to autoplay, select a song, and dance along. If I'm not doing so hot, I cancel the song, take a moment, and pick another one.

The great part about Guitar Hero vs. pretty much any other dance/rhythm/music/whatever game is that the peripheral is very true to the actual, uh, "genre" they're trying to emulate...in this case, a guitar player. I've seen Beatmania packages where they give you a mixer of sorts and I'm not sure if they've brought out an American Keyboard Revolution or whatever.

Now, as far as arcades go, yeah, there's no comparison between Guitar...whatever the hell it is...in the arcades and DDR, though they were both made by Bemani/Konami. Oh, and speaking of shooting games, here's my favorites...

1. Police 911. This is the only mo-cap shooting game I know of and it's GREAT. Alternately, I also enjoy the boxing game, but I can't find it anywhere anymore. :(
2. House of the Dead 2. This is especially fun if you put in credits for two players and dual wield! :D
3. Time Crisis 2. Alone or two players, this is an excellent update to the original shootout, uh...shooter game.
4. Quick & Crash. Actually, this is more of a ticket game than anything at most arcades. Basically, you're timed and have so many shots. There are four rounds where you have to hit moving targets, stationary targets, and a cup at the end. I love it because I always set first place for time and accuracy. :)
5. House of the Dead. Yeah, dual wield is fun here too. It's an oldie, but a goodie.

That's about it for now. Oh yeah, the new Growlanser? Well, it's fun, but I'm not liking the story so much yet, the skill system is awkward at best, and the buttass hard difficulty makes grinding a must. In any case, I'm sure it'll be collectible, so if I end up truly hating it, I should still be able to sell it in about a year or so for some ridiculous amount.

Andara Bledin
11-01-2007, 06:05 AM
I love the hell out of EBA... ><

Oh, yeah.... so far, though, the Divas are still kicking my ass... :cry:

I haven't (yet) bought either of the Ouendan games, but the are on my list.

^-.-^

Geek King
11-01-2007, 08:00 PM
Well, I'm playing through Guitar Hero III now. God, but this one is alot harder than the last couple. I never make it much past the normal level, though. My fingers just can't do the Orange button for some reason. Really irratating since I can coordinate healing in an MMO with both hands fully used, and I can kick some butt at Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter.

I'm also getting back into City of Heroes and City of Villians for a change of pace. If you're interested, send me mail under the Global Name Kitten Nyan-Nyan. {Um...don't ask. :roll:} I have characters at several different levels on many different servers, including a 50 hero (Mirrriya) on Triumph. Oh, and my roommate plays too, so just leave a message if the person you're talking to doesn't seem to know what you're talking about. :)

Lessee...I finished Ratchet & Clank: ToD on PS3. I'm a little let down over the ending. I need to play the others I guess.

Also playing Folklore, but I'm not sure I like it yet. It has an origional plot, I'll give it that.

Oh, and Tabula Rasa's bonus playtime is going now too...They've made some changes to the better for release, but it still kinda feels like WoW with [real] guns....big, honking guns...heehee. I'm playing as Geki on one of the servers, but I forget which. PM me if you care, and I'll pass on the info.

On top of that, I have four tabletop gaming groups going now, one of which I run the game for. We're playing Fading Suns, D&D 3.5 Spelljammer, Conan, and a Mekton Zeta/Silent Death mix.

All that and government Tech Support as a day job. Whee! :p

Broomjockey
11-02-2007, 02:21 PM
I picked up Hellgate: London last night, and it seems like a really good game. Though it's hard to tell for sure. I keep getting a "cannot connect to server" error trying to download the patch so I can play multiplayer, and single player I keep getting horrible graphics glitches like my screen turning off, then back on, with the camera in a different place. I'm hoping to get the patch off somewhere else, hopefully, or else I'm in for some serious issues.

Geek King
11-02-2007, 05:34 PM
I picked up Hellgate: London last night, and it seems like a really good game. Though it's hard to tell for sure. I keep getting a "cannot connect to server" error trying to download the patch so I can play multiplayer, and single player I keep getting horrible graphics glitches like my screen turning off, then back on, with the camera in a different place. I'm hoping to get the patch off somewhere else, hopefully, or else I'm in for some serious issues.

Oooh...that's out?

<Office door slams>
<car starts>
<Engine fades into the distance>

Gravekeeper
11-03-2007, 07:51 AM
I would just like to add that I *love* me some frickin' Team Fortress 2.

So if you're ever on www.TheMachine.org TF2 server look for Xhaiden and you may get to shoot me in the head. =p

Bonus: I play with a mic. -.-

Jet
11-03-2007, 05:56 PM
I picked up Hellgate: London and a new 8800gt card the other day. Game is pretty fricken sweet!

gunsage
11-03-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah, one of my coworkers was playing Hellgate last night. I wasn't aware it was out either, but it really doesn't matter because I'm fairly certain I can't play it on my current PC. :( On a brighter note, here's to tax time! I plan on building a computer after I gets the tax moneys. :D Also, still hammering away on Phoenix Wright 3 on the third episode (probably about done on it).

Beyond this, I went back to playing Atelier Iris for the PS2. It's a good game, but I really wish I knew why it had the glitches it does. Normally I could ignore them if they were small, but it's almost as if the loading algorithms were an oversight or something. It causes the audio to get crappy and all that.

Once I get done with PW3, I need to start thinking about the next title(s) to get for portables. I may have to check out Manhunt 2 for PSP. I'm REALLY interested in Manhunt 2 in general, but if they screwed it up for the portable, forget it. Actually, Silent Hill Origins may be a better choice. Under normal circumstances, I'd consider FFT, but I've already played and beaten it for the PS1...I don't really see the purpose in doing it all over again.

Broomjockey
11-03-2007, 10:20 PM
So if you're ever on www.TheMachine.org TF2 server look for Xhaiden and you may get to shoot me in the head. =p

Bonus: I play with a mic. -.-

Score! I've been looking for servers to play on! I've got a mic too! So we can trade trash talks!

Gravekeeper
11-03-2007, 11:22 PM
Score! I've been looking for servers to play on! I've got a mic too! So we can trade trash talks!

Its a great server and most of the regulars have mics so you get a lot of chatter. Usually takes a few minutes of sitting in auto-retry to get on though since its popular.

Broomjockey
11-03-2007, 11:58 PM
Usually takes a few minutes of sitting in auto-retry to get on though since its popular.

Bah, still better than sifting through the list looking for servers without clan tags, as those tend to be less fun for me ('cause I suck most of the time ;))

gunsage
11-04-2007, 02:36 AM
Kabam! Third episode on PW3 complete! :D

Gravekeeper
11-04-2007, 05:10 AM
Kabam! Third episode on PW3 complete! :D

You should now begin getting into the emotional shitstorm arc of the game. The final case in particular is a clusterfark. =p


Once I get done with PW3, I need to start thinking about the next title(s) to get for portables. I may have to check out Manhunt 2 for PSP. I'm REALLY interested in Manhunt 2 in general, but if they screwed it up for the portable, forget it. Actually, Silent Hill Origins may be a better choice. Under normal circumstances, I'd consider FFT, but I've already played and beaten it for the PS1...I don't really see the purpose in doing it all over again.

My next purchase is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5vCoBlo98

Phoenix Wright with doctor's + overly dramatic ER storyline? Heck yes. Its suppose to be out over here on Tuesday... ^^


PS. Manhunt 2 sucks ( Even more then Manhunt 1 ). No point whatsoever to the game aside from shock value and it pales in comparison to half of what Hollywood churns out ( Saw anyone? ). I still don't see what the big deal is. But then again I'm not desperately searching for the next thing to blame my complete lack of parenting skills on or generate news ratings based on alarmism. ;p

Kara
11-04-2007, 03:48 PM
My next purchase is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5vCoBlo98

Looks like Trauma Center. Only with an effeminate hero instead of hot nurses and without the mutant killer alien whatever-the-f***-it-was virus pissing you off. Don't get me wrong, I liked Trauma Center.... except for when they make you do surgery in a dark tunnel only lit by your car's headlights. Then the headlights die and you can only see by a camera flash, but the battery is low so you don't get that many flashes to use. Oh the pain. The pain of it all.

Ugh, Manhunt. I should stop dreaming of creating a legendary game and just make some steaming pile of digital crap. But put something extremely controversial in it to piss off the "games make children shoot everyone" bitches and get loads international attention. Then my game will sell untold quantities on reputation alone, and by the time everyone figures out it's total ass I'll have purchased a small tropical island paradise to spend the rest of my days, and my vast fortune. I'll also buy some cruise missiles to launch at Uwe Boll's island and wipe it off the face of the earth.

cinnamaniac
11-05-2007, 01:26 AM
Kabam! Third episode on PW3 complete! :D

I'm on the third case now. Man, I love the Phoenix Wright Series...and i LOVE your icon. haha.

After PW, I'm gonna start on Phantom Hourglass, then Rune Factory. I also purchased Brain Age 2 today, but I'm too into PW to open it. xD

gunsage
11-05-2007, 08:38 PM
Honestly, I'm enjoying Manhunt 2, but there's a number of problems. For one, no, it doesn't really share the "charm" of the original Manhunt. I have no idea what's going on. Normally, that creates a sense of suspense, but in this case, it gets more annoying than anything. It's also overly easy, which doesn't QUITE make up for the control systems constant failures, but does make it acceptable enough that when it DOES fail along with the AI on a frequent basis, you should still be able to truck through the levels with few deaths.

I loved the original Manhunt, but much like in this one, they introduced guns far too soon. I say that because the main draw of Manhunt is the stealth. Sure, the gore is nice if you like that (LIKE ME :devil:), but I liked the fact that Rockstar got the whole stealth thing down juuuuust right. In fact, it had me yearning for the days of Tenchu and glad that there was a happy medium between that and Splinter Cell (too hard for me, but still intriguing).

I hadn't tried the one surgery title for the DS, so I'm still interested in that, but also the new one, as displayed in the youtube vid. In any case, there's a good chance I'll tackle Manhunt 2 before I have to take it back. I would've been willing to recommend this title to bloodlusters, but unfortunately enough of it was censored that it's kinda dumb. The Wii controls for it would be nice, though.

Speaking of Rockstar and controversiality in general, anyone ever try Bully? Personally, I thought it got a bad wrap, but overall, was a very good game. Both it and The Warriors are the only Rockstar games I've ever beaten. And yes, The Warriors kicks ass too. :)

Geek King
11-05-2007, 08:46 PM
Playing Hellgate:London now as a marksman**. So far, this is a pretty cool game for anyone who enjoyed the Diablos. I particularly like the "you are soooo screwed" storyline right off the bat. :D

I may start playing online soon. If so, I'll post so anyone interested can meet up.



**Yes, I play a sniper/sneaky bastard in most of the games I play. I'm particularly nasty about finding oddball places to shoot from. I don't cheat, or use known bugs to gain advantage, just the pure psychology of not being where people expect. When people are screaming about "!$*%ing Snipers!" they're talking about me. :devil: This is also why I suck at TF2. I'm not a run-and-gun player. I like to set up a kill field and let people wander in. :lol:

Broomjockey
11-05-2007, 08:56 PM
Ah Geek King, you too eh? The first thing I made was a marksman, and I'm much more comfortable with the lying in wait for my prey.

Now, specific to Hellgate: London. Anyone familiar with old Canadian comedy shows (I'm really trying not to give too much away here), keep an eye out for Mac Kenzie. I darn near bust a gut on meeting that NPC.

gunsage
11-05-2007, 10:48 PM
Yes, I play a sniper/sneaky bastard in most of the games I play. I'm particularly nasty about finding oddball places to shoot from. I don't cheat, or use known bugs to gain advantage, just the pure psychology of not being where people expect. When people are screaming about "!$*%ing Snipers!" they're talking about me.

Anymore, I really enjoy shooting games, but I'm a bit bipolar in them...let me explain. I'm sure I'm just like a lot of other people in here when it comes to my background in playing FPS and TPS games (TPS = third person shooter). What I mean by that is I first started with Wolfenstein, then Doom, later I went on to enjoy titles such as Goldeneye, Doom 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Rise of the Triad, Shadow Warrior, and plenty of others.

In any case, I've become good at being slow and stealthy as well as quick yet accurate. Therefore, the situation determines my behavior mostly. There have been situations where I pull out a sniper rifle because I'm getting ready to take a vantage point, somebody surprises me, but I still manage to get in a quick headshot (this has happened in Resident Evil 4, No One Lives Forever, and a number of other titles).

There are other times where I'm taking my time, using effective cover, staying in the shadows...and somehow I get caught in an ambush. I love it, though, because it breaks up the sometimes monotonous stealth and allows me to tear through a wave of enemies. It can suck in some titles were stealth is key (Splinter Cell) but in other titles, it can greatly help the game overall (Manhunt 2, Max Payne 1&2, F.E.A.R., etc.).

I'm definitely interested in Hellgate, but I don't know if my system will play it.

gunsage
11-08-2007, 12:49 AM
So yeah...beat Manhunt 2 and got the go ahead to review, at least to see how you guys like it. I think there were a few executions here and there that I missed, but out of all of them, I think my two favorites are buzz saw on extreme and garrote wire on extreme. :devil: Personally, the buzz saw on extreme is what I want to do to about 90% of our customers that chew me out when I walk them through step by step while powercycling...only to find that that's all they needed. :p

vonkarolinas
11-09-2007, 08:21 AM
As for table top RPG Chaosiums Call of Cthulu, the original WOD games like Risen and Vampire. I some of the new WOD as well, espeically Promethean.

PS2 I love the Smackdown vs Raw series and the Final Fantasy games (going all the way back to the orginal 8bit Nintendo which I still have and play)
Actually I have the Nintendo, Super NES, and the PS2 with games on them all, even the little known Inindo. Love that game.

PC, I love the Diablo and Elder Scrolls games. IMO Elder Scrolls are the closest thing to a true RPG you can get on console or computer these days. Still spend hours doing some old school gaming like Bard's Tale and the Ultima Series, Might and magic, Magic Candle

and I now see why I have no life.........

Geek King
11-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Actually I have the Nintendo, Super NES, and the PS2 with games on them all, even the little known Inindo. Love that game.



Was that the RPG where you play an Iga ninja out to revenge yourself against Oda Nobunaga for slaughtering your clan?

gunsage
11-09-2007, 09:34 PM
Yeah, it was. Too bad I couldn't figure out where to go/what to do. By the way, I picked up a few titles last night...

Wild ARMs 5 - PS2
Jade Cocoon 2 - PS2
Castlevania: Curse of Darkness - X Box

Now, you might be wondering on my choice there. The latter two were in the $10 and under bin. I'd like to point something interesting out, though...on Amazon, JC2 is selling for $17! In any case, I've played CoD before and love it, as far as Wild ARMs, it's actually pretty decent. Haven't popped in JC2 yet.

Finally, gotta love Something Awful. (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/video-game-anagrams.php) :lol:

DarthRetard
11-10-2007, 01:52 AM
Alright guys, I picked up Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare today. All i can say is:

Brilliant. Simply Fucking Brilliant.

Graphics, Gameplay, Storyline, Design, Features, Dialogue, Atmosphere, EVERYTHING IS PERFECT.

gunsage
11-10-2007, 02:16 AM
I hadn't tried any of the previous CoDs. I really wanted to try this one, so I'm glad to hear it's good.

DarthRetard
11-10-2007, 03:58 AM
Ok, now that I've played through a good part of it, I can give a straightforward review.

The gameplay runs smoothly, just like every other CoD. The in game cinematics are amazing, and part of the way through, I got to be the gunner in an AC130 during a special forces mission.

The game took a dive into the spectrum of true reality, combining the action of Killzone, the intensity of Gears of War, and the stylistic gameplay of a true FPS.

Gravekeeper
11-10-2007, 08:08 AM
Update: Lifesigns DS amuses me greatly. Its literally ER the anime the game. I even had an insane highschool girl stalker try to knife one of the nurses with a boxcutter. :D

The surgeries themselves, while ridiculously realistic, take a back seat to just dealing with the drama between coworkers and patients. Its awesome. I'm on vacation now. Like, literally, in the game I'm vacation on some southern island with my incredibly androgynous kid sister. I'm not sure what the point of the episode is aside from just being on vacation.

Side note: If you pick the game up...don't trust the other intern with ANYTHING. She *will* slay your patients. Then leave you to try and explain to their grieving parents. Jesus Christ. >< I had to redo the end of Episode 2 a few times until I was able to do the first surgery fast enough to get to the second patient before the other intern began operating on them. Because she WILL kill them. Seriously, don't even trust her to make toast.

Kara
11-10-2007, 02:54 PM
Sounds pretty good. Sounds like the intern is about as useful as the nurse in Trauma Center. Damn she was bitchy. I hope in the sequel they give you an option to hand her the scalpel and say "Here, since you OBVIOUSLY know more about an unknown evolving killer virus than a SURGEON, why don't YOU do the operation while I stand back here and tell you everything you're doing wrong? Hmm? No? Then shut the hell up and get me a coffee, STAT!"

I'm not sure what the point of the episode is aside from just being on vacation.

That can only mean that you will have to perform some type of complex, delicate surgery with whatever limited resources are on hand.

gunsage
11-11-2007, 04:40 AM
YOU'RE FREAKIN' KIDDING ME! Yes, I beat the fourth episode on PW3, but come on! ANOTHER cop-out episode?! BULL! Hopefully the fifth episode more than makes up for it!

Gravekeeper
11-11-2007, 05:56 AM
Sounds pretty good. Sounds like the intern is about as useful as the nurse in Trauma Center. Damn she was bitchy. I hope in the sequel they give you an option to hand her the scalpel and say "Here, since you OBVIOUSLY know more about an unknown evolving killer virus than a SURGEON, why don't YOU do the operation while I stand back here and tell you everything you're doing wrong? Hmm? No? Then shut the hell up and get me a coffee, STAT!"

That can only mean that you will have to perform some type of complex, delicate surgery with whatever limited resources are on hand.

Its the bastard child of Trauma Center and Phoenix Wright. I've periodically had to convince people with "evidence". Including talking down a suicidal girl. =p

Yes, I've had to do a couple of operations now despite being on vacation. Plus the wife of the island's doctor is trying to foist her teenage daughter on me after finding out I don't have a girlfriend back in Tokyo. >.>

One of the nurses has a thing for you but I doubt she'll be impressed if I come back to work with a teenage bride.

I'm trying to pull a piece of steel reebar out of a guy that fell on it and impaled himself. This game is awesome. ^^

Trayol
11-11-2007, 06:30 PM
Sounds Fun. Right now I'm dabbling in some of my old games before I get new ones for the holidays.
Paper Mario 2 I've played about 14 times since I got it when it first came out. I now know it backwards and forwards & upwards and downwards & sideways and frontways & backways and any other kind of ways. (Name the Movie) Somewhat sad but still a fun game to play.

I've also been honing my skills playing Super Smash Bros. Melee waiting for Brawl. Damn it being pushed back :rant::pissed: But I'll survive, by viciously destroying the cute and cuddly characters. Muhahahahahaha, MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA :flame::chipper::salmon::punch::devil:
"Lost the happy, but the happy's back" :D :angel:

I have not done much else gaming the past several months than the occasional Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2, Wii Sports (love that tennis:D), Soul Calibur 2 (GC) & 3 (PS2), Mario Party 8:o, WarioWare Wii, and Super Paper Mario. I'm only upset that I haven't had adequate time to play Bully (PS2) but soon winter break shall arrive and I will have a month to play them.

I'll gladly take suggestions for any games to buy. Just PM me games for the Wii, GC or PS2.

gunsage
11-12-2007, 09:00 PM
Okay, so...I popped in Jade Cocoon for all of 5 minutes, saved, then went back to playing Castlevania Curse of Darkness. :p Honestly, the way I look at Castlevanias is this...

- THE best Castlevania game EVER is Castlevania: Syphony of the Night with Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow at a close second. Yes, Portrait of Ruin was fun, but the swap out system got confusing, there was very little stylus involvement at all, and while it's probably the largest Castlevania ever, that doesn't quite compete with Dawn of Sorrow and thusly, SOTN.
- 3D Castlevanias were a good idea...WERE. Not ARE. This is unfortunate because with a little more emphasis on level design, they could probably get it right.

Not following? What I mean by the 3D CS statement is that the best "innovative" 3D CS was, well, the N64 versions. Unfortunately, the controls and emphasis on cliffs as "barriers" left something to be desired. Regardless, the level design was pretty good. The enemies were decent and varied and the levels lasted juuuuust long enough for you to have a decent taste of the level and then move on.

With Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness, I refer to them as "Hallway Masters." Why? While there are very few cliffs in either of them, height typically only comes into play on a very minor basis...thus you're left with rooms...and halls. Oh, the endless endless halls. It gets annoying because even though the maps look decent from a distance, when you get right down to it, the jump button is really not used very much at all because, well...most of the time it's not necessary.

Plain. Suck. Level. Design. At least with Curse of Darkness you can level up and such. With LoI, not so much. And on top of that, it took FOREVER to earn enough cash to actually do something...even stock up for boss fights! Sadly, Castlevania is a game that grows uglier in the 3D realm. I suppose I could say the same about Contra, but then again, Shattered Soldier was bad ass. :D

Geek King
11-14-2007, 05:46 PM
Okay, so...I popped in Jade Cocoon for all of 5 minutes, saved, then went back to playing Castlevania Curse of Darkness.


Oops, too late. I was going to say that Jade Cocoon 2 is like a more mature version of Pokemon, but it is kind of slow at the beginning. Once you get a couple of different kinds of monsters you get into the more tactical aspects of the game. I kind of like it.

I have CoD4 now, and I've played through Single player on Normal, and am playing through on Veteran (hardest mode). Currently stuck on that bastard second Ghillie-suit mission on the final push near the Chernobyl ferris wheel. ****ing grenade whores.

I am currently rank 24 playing multiplayer, and having a great time. Unfortunately the issue with X-Box live has affected me, and I'm having problems connecting to games except with Japanese players, for some reason. :lol: They're a fun lot, but its hard to do tactics when I can't understand most of what they're saying. I play with Sniper Rifles and the Light Machine Guns mostly, but I'm a fair shot with the assault rifles. Oh, and I have claymores now. I'm not above taking a false shot to lure people into them, either. :devil:

If anyone wants to friend me in X-Box Live, I play as Ogredjinn. Just mention CS in the message, as I don't accept random invites. :)

Eddie The 'Ead
11-14-2007, 06:05 PM
I'm a huge Zelda fan myself. Ocarina of Time is one of my most favorite games ever. Twilight Princess is also great, but can't hold up to OoT. I need to play more of the older games as well.

Spiffy McMoron
11-14-2007, 06:52 PM
I've been dying to play WoW now that the 2.3 patch is out but I have two final exams to write today, and another tomorrow.

Life is a cruel, cruel mistress. :cry:

gunsage
11-14-2007, 09:12 PM
I was going to say that Jade Cocoon 2 is like a more mature version of Pokemon, but it is kind of slow at the beginning.

Yeah, I had the old Jade Cocoon for the PS1. I'm pretty sure I already sold it on Amazon for, again, MAD CASH. Love it. :D I really enjoyed the first one as well, but never really got too involved in it. I need to hurry up and beat PW3. I've barely been playing games at all at home because I've been concentrating on...

1) Knocking out various movies I've DVR'd.
2) Knocking out various episodes of shows I've DVR'd.
3) Going to Tech Skills like crazy.
4) Going to the fitness center (not so much currently as I've allocated more time to Tech Skills).
5) Doing various chores.

Really, on my days off, I can justify playing videogames because on Thursdays I'm watching my baby girl and she always watches when I play. The best part about this is that she's only watching it for the colors and has no idea what's going on, so I can play ANYTHING I want...currently. On Sundays, Tech Skills isn't even open, so even though my wife is off on those days too, which would normally enable me the ability to go as opposed to Thursdays, I can't.

Typically, though, I'm concentrating on knocking out movies I've DVR'd on those days because I still have about 30 or so DVR'd. :eek: That and I series record Simpsons, It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia, etc. But in any case, I really need to beat the following games, preferably in the following order...

- Kingdom Hearts 2 (right at the last boss).
- Persona 3.
- Paper Mario 2.
- The Godfather.
- Prince of Persia - Warrior Within.
- Splinter Cell - Double Agent.
- All the GTA games (after 3, of course).
- Manhunt.
- Arc the Lad 2
- Whiplash

In most of these games, either I got stuck and just didn't have the determination to keep at it or I'm VERY close to beating it, but just never bothered. Honorable mentions are Xenosaga 2 and 3 as well as various other MegaTen games.

piratemonkey
11-14-2007, 10:07 PM
You must be the only other person I've ever met that has played the PS1 Jade Cocoon. Wow. I'm in awe.

Currently playing (in no particular order)

- Animal Crossing DS
- Final Fantasy XII
- Dragon Quest VIII
- Guitar Hero II

I am waiting with anticipation for Guitar Hero III, and I'm getting the urge to replay MGS3 too.

gunsage
11-14-2007, 10:44 PM
I still need to catch up on Guitar Hero...currently, I only have the first one and just one guitar. Never tried the DS Animal Crossing, though if it's anything like the GC one, I'm sure it's decent. I need to get back into FF12, but it's one of those games I've grown to love AND hate. Yes yes...I'm one of THOSE people that loves 6 and 7, but from 8 on I've been a bit of a skeptic.

DQ8, however, is hands down the best DQ in existence. Don't get me wrong...I enjoy the first DQ, but 2 - 4 were a little confusing for me. 5 and 6 were okay, but the fact that they weren't released in English, even now, irks me. 7 was kinda boring, actually. There are actually a number of reasons I like 8...

1) I'm a sucker for cel-shading, especially when it's done VERY well.
2) This was a hand-in-hand project with Level 5, of whom I also have great respect and EVERY LAST ONE of their games (except those I had to sell :cry:).
3) It's a perfect blend of oldschool RPG, new age graphics, nostaglic music, and top notch voice acting.
4) The story is something I can follow and don't get bored with.

That last point is especially crucial, as I have ADHD. :D

piratemonkey
11-14-2007, 11:26 PM
I'm a sucker for English-accented voice acting :D

But the game itself was great. Really engaging and different but still had a really old-school charm. And I agree, cel-shaded graphics are gorgeous.

gunsage
11-19-2007, 08:49 PM
So...I'm back. Where did I go? Why thanks for asking (YES YOU DID ASK, HUSH). My wife had quite a spill on Friday. These are the events as I received them...

- Contemplated going to the fitness center. Couldn't find gym equipment. Decided to nix working out.
- As a result, I left for Tech Skills later than usual and decided to be there between 1 - 3 pm.
- Upon arrival (12:55), one of my coworkers (there are about 4 besides me that are going there that I work with as well) stops me and says...

CW: "Dude, it's an emergency. Your wife's been hurt."
Me: "Yeah, okay."

Yes, I thought he was messing with me and clocked in. Why? Because we mess with each other back and forth. I clock in. I'm about to go past him when ANOTHER of my coworkers steps up...

CW2: "No, dude, seriously...your wife called up here in a panic. I don't know what's going on...something about a...huge rock...and falling and twisting her leg around or something..."

:jawdrop:

I run out to my car to discover...my cell phone's dead...

:jawdrop:

I have juuuuuust enough battery life to do the following...

Me: *Dial wife's cell phone, as I have no idea whether she's at work, the hospital, etc.* "My battery's dead, tell me what's going on quick."
WF: "Well, there was this giant rock and I was carrying food and didn't see it and I stepped on it and fell and-" *Click...cell phone dies*

:jawdrop:

I rush back inside and borrow my one coworker's phone. Basically, one of her office's clients bought the guys some food. She walks across the street, gets the food, can't really see where she's going, slips on a giant rock with her right foot, which causes her to fall face first and mess up her leg. :cry: The good news is after taking her to the hospital, the doctor determined that it was just a lot of swelling.

No biggie, right? BIG BIGGIE. See, since she was going to be home alone...she was going to SOMEHOW have to chase after the baby...limping. I had to call off. Nevermind that it still wasn't 100% on Saturday, so I called off there too. The worst part is now I'm here shaking in my boots because I'm pretty sure I'm going to get written up for all the calloffs. I'm not COMPLETELY sure, but it's a good possibility. :cry:

ANYWAY, videogames! I've gone back to playing We <3 Katamari for the PS2. This was initially to test the wireless controllers my wife got over the weekend, but then we got addicted all over again. :D On top of that, I started over Metroid Prime (no, I haven't beaten it yet). I love MP, but I always seem to get stuck on the Omega Pirate or whatever it is. I couldn't figure out even how to hurt it.

Actually, I'll hurry and try to get back to him so I can report exactly what it is I'm having trouble with because it's been so long that I honestly can't remember. And on a final note, there's one more game I need to hurry up and beat, but solely so I can add it to my sell list:

Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete

gunsage
11-20-2007, 09:09 PM
Gah! I'm stuck on the final episode of PW3. Also, I didn't really mention this yesterday, but another game I started back up (and will probably take a stab at reviewing) yesterday was Godhand. If you've never heard of it, here's all you need to know...

- Insane, frenzied brawler from Capcom and Clover that kinda reminds me of Fist of the North Star.
- Hilarious and crude.
- Customize your own combos, power moves, etc.
- HARD.
- Clover's final game. :cry:

That's about it for now.

gunsage
11-23-2007, 10:13 PM
Hey there! Hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving or at least got to eat a lot of food! :D Well, currently I'm still playing Metroid Prime, but more and more I'm seeing why I gave it up...SAVE POINTS...well, lack thereof, rather. Look, most areas don't dictate that you have a save point every five minutes, but for those not in the know, save points have two functions on this particular Metroid title...recover all health and save (duh).

The problem? I had MP lock up on me twice...TWICE...while simply navigating through various areas. Yeah, I don't know WTF. In any case, after dealing with that and redoing all that all over again, I went on to the phazon mines to go get the power bomb. Okay, now...correct me if I'm wrong, but they block off enough sections with bendezium blockades (I believe they're only disruptable with power bombs) that you only have one save point in the area...right at the beginning of it.

The problem, yet again? Well let's see...you fight several waves of space pirates, an elite space pirate miniboss, and then a shadow...bot thingy whatever before you can even get to the "maze" to get to the power bomb. Yeah, by that point, I only had 07 energy left. Naturally, I got zapped ONCE in the maze and BLARGH, DEATH. Fun. :cry:

It doesn't help any that the ice beam fires like crap and there are a few space pirates you MUST disrupt with them. It further doesn't help that there's no quick turn around button, nor an ability to adjust your turning speed. Don't get me wrong...the game's fun, but often after playing a game for a while, I notice little things like this that begin to irk me. This is yet another reason I'd love to playtest games, but I have no idea how to get into it, what it pays (or even if it pays), whether it would actually advance my career to help me get into development, or what have you.

Broomjockey
11-24-2007, 07:34 AM
It doesn't help any that the ice beam fires like crap and there are a few space pirates you MUST disrupt with them. It further doesn't help that there's no quick turn around button, nor an ability to adjust your turning speed. Don't get me wrong...the game's fun, but often after playing a game for a while, I notice little things like this that begin to irk me. This is yet another reason I'd love to playtest games, but I have no idea how to get into it, what it pays (or even if it pays), whether it would actually advance my career to help me get into development, or what have you.

Are you playing the original Metroid Prime or something? Because if you're talking about MP3, then a)You've got really bad luck to hit two crashes period, let alone the same day, and b) you can adjust the turning speed as part of going to advanced aiming. If you're playing the original, then I could have sworn there was a quick-turn-around, though I'll be buggered if I can remember what it is.

Gravekeeper
11-24-2007, 01:33 PM
Wow, I've never had Metroid Prime so much as hiccup. Nevermind lock up. Nor have I ever heard of it doing such. Is the GC squirrely? Or are you playing 3?

You ever going to come play TF2, Broom?

or anyone else? No one wants to shoot me? -.-

Broomjockey
11-24-2007, 05:05 PM
You ever going to come play TF2, Broom?

or anyone else? No one wants to shoot me? -.-

I've got the server favourited, but unfortunately it's crunch time at school, so I'm tied down this week. Hopefully next weekend I'll have time for a life again.

gunsage
11-24-2007, 08:33 PM
Are you playing the original Metroid Prime or something?
Yeah, it's the original. No worries...I got past where I was having trouble, but it's a little hard to be persistent when you have issues like that. And yes, under normal circumstances, the game plays great, so it was kinda odd. But no, my main issue with the game, well, there are two in my head right now...

1) Lack of saves. Now, after you've successfully tackled through areas and are "just visiting," it's no biggie because not only do you know where they are, but they're not being blocked by anything. In fact, at least most shortcuts should be available to you at that point.

2) I'm happy that the game reminds you of what you ought to be doing next. I'm angry that it reminds you every 5 minutes...even if you're on your way there...in the middle of a GODDAMN'D WAR WITH SPACE PIRATES! Yes, I get it..."HURR, GO TO DA CHAMBER!" I GET IT, REALLY!

Here's an interesting trick I recently picked up on to find aaaaaallllll the little powerups: turn off the music. Yes, it's some good music...very sci-fi, very environment-specific...definitely fits the mood. When the music is off, however, you can better hear the audible clues that a powerup is close. Therefore, going back through Phendrana wasting baddies with the plasma is that much more fun by getting powerups left and right that you never knew about! :D

On a side note, I sold Lunar finally. Therefore, I decided to get Shin Megami Tensei 2. w00timus m@ximus. :p To be honest, I've yet to beat any MegaTen games, but I'm a big fan. Anyone else play any of these?

gunsage
11-25-2007, 03:16 AM
That does it...I'm officially stuck on PW3. I'm on the final episode and in the first part of the trial with Larry...geez. I just don't see the hole! ARGH!!

Gravekeeper
11-25-2007, 04:15 AM
That does it...I'm officially stuck on PW3. I'm on the final episode and in the first part of the trial with Larry...geez. I just don't see the hole! ARGH!!

Haha, what part of his insane, delusional ranting testimony are you on? ;p


I've got the server favourited, but unfortunately it's crunch time at school, so I'm tied down this week. Hopefully next weekend I'll have time for a life again.

Ahhh. Edumacation.

gunsage
11-26-2007, 09:44 PM
Here's the funny part...on Saturday, just before I left work, I finally figured out Larry's testimony...then my battery started to die. :cry: Further, I got to the Omega Pirate and WHOOPED HIS ASS! I don't know why I wasn't able to do it last time. However, now I'm on Meta Ridley...which really isn't much better. :( Also, I picked up .hack Episode 1 yesterday. :D I smile because you can't find that sumbitch ANYWHERE...got it for $11. :D:D:D:D:D

And here's the best part...it's not that it's that great of a game. I mean, it's okay, but the resale value on that will be AWESOME! On a related note, I'm looking to get Fire Emblem for the GC, but obviously I need to get that from a store, not online. ;) Anytime I hop into a game store, I browse the oldies bins and ask if they have ANY FEs. Not really interested in the Wii FE, though I'm sure it'll be fun for enthusiasts.

gunsage
11-30-2007, 11:06 PM
Okay, so...started back up playing Rogue Galaxy for PS2 again. For those of you that have no idea what that is, allow me to explain. Rogue Galaxy was made by Level 5. Rogue Galaxy was, as far as I know, Level 5's last PS2 title. What's Level 5, eh?

- Made Dark Cloud 1 & 2, both of which won Greatest Hits awards and rightfully so.
- Assisted in development of Dragonquest 8, my favorite DQ.
- Made Jeanne d'Arc for PSP...probably the only turn-based strategy/RPG worth playing on the PSP that's ORIGINAL.
- Made Rogue Galaxy. :p

ANYWAY, I'm not for certain whether they've done any other projects besides those mentioned, but basically they've got the Midas touch. Rogue Galaxy is no exception...it's a real time action/RPG with constantly streaming load times. In other words, yes, it loads, but not really. Here's how it goes...

- When you load your game, you're introduced to a screen that displays what you need to know/remember before continuing on (what you're doing, etc.) as it loads, though because of how it slowly displays this text, it is given ample time to load, which it doesn't have to do very much of anyway.
- When you teleport, there is a small loading segment.
- Beyond that, there's no noticable loading in the game. PERIOD.

The best way I can think to describe the game is Dark Cloud 2 ON CRACK. Movies, excellent voiceovers, great characters, fun and quick combat system, awesome updated cel-shading engine, LOTS of upgrading and combining, LOTS of inventing, bug raising and battles...literally, this game is a must have. I kinda got away from it for a while because there were so many other games released at the same time, but trust me, it's probably Level 5's finest product.

Beyond this, I'm also still working on...

- I <3 Katamari (PS2)
- Metroid Prime (GC)
- .hack Volume 1 (PS2)
- Persona 2 (PS1)
- Half-Life (PC)
- La-Mulana (PC)
- Odin Sphere (PS2)

That's about it for now.

gunsage
12-01-2007, 02:32 AM
Dammit...stuck again on PW3. :cry: I'm SOOO close to beating it too, I'm sure. That'll be all three for the DS tackled. The real question is do I get a new DS when I'm done, get another DS game (and if so, which), or concentrate on my PSP titles? You might not understand the "get a new DS" portion...allow me to explain. It's been a while...really, QUITE a while since I had played the DS.

Back when I was in security, I played DS and PSP quite a bit. Up until recently I was busy enough at work with studying, etc. that I decided to give them both a rest (this was also another reason I sold virtually every PSP and DS game I own a while back). Anyway, I recently started picking up low cost PSP titles here and there and then, well, PW3 came out, so there you have it.

Anyway, when I brought the DS to work, I noticed that there was static, popping, and intermittent sound on the DS. I'm not sure if the battery's going out or if it's even something that can be fixed. It was used when I bought it and if it's only going to get progressively worse, I may as well invest in a new one, but around Christmas that's going to be a little hard to do.

Has anyone heard of this? If so, what would you suggest?

Gravekeeper
12-01-2007, 04:20 AM
Hmm, never heard of that, no =/ Both my DS's still work perfectly fine. Nintendo hardware is usually neigh invincible. If you have the original DS it'd be worth picking up a Lite anyway though. The Lite is 500% better in every category. -.-

Plus you can usually find em for $100 flat.

Rahmota
12-02-2007, 05:00 PM
I'll put this here but since it involves pen and ink gaming/roleplaying I'm not sure if its quite right. But sinec there are a few who play D&D I thought I'd ask.

Has anyone else seen/heard much about 4th edition D&D and if you have what do you think about it? I'm not too keen on it as they are taking the entire game in a direction I'm not happy with.

They are changing everything all together and making it more like a MMORG or something. Classes are goign to be realtively meaningless, the races are goig back towards being one dimensional stereotypes, and magic itself is getting out of hand. If I wanted to play a stupid computer game I'd play a stupid computer game. I mean I've been with D&D since 1st edition but I'm going with my own houseruleset from here on out based off the 2nd/3rd hybrid I did.

RichS
12-02-2007, 07:08 PM
One more speech and final exam, then it's back to gaming:

I know I'm getting The Orange Box and Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl for Christmas - other than that, ?

Plus, I want to finish Tomb Raider: Legend on my PS2, and start on F.E.A.R.

And I really want to get MOH: Airborne, Hellgate: London, BioShock, Crysis...

But I've only got 3 weeks - then it's back to class. :cry:

Ringtail Z28
12-02-2007, 07:59 PM
Bleh, all I'm playing is a remake of Privateer.

DarthRetard
12-02-2007, 09:43 PM
RichS, before you get MOH: Airborne, I'd try Call of Duty 4. I've played MOHA and they only added a few small new things, nothing drastically new or innovative, aside from doing the jumping yourself, that shizz was off the chizzain.

RichS
12-03-2007, 04:56 PM
RichS, before you get MOH: Airborne, I'd try Call of Duty 4.

I played the Airborne demo and liked it, so I'll probably get it - when it's discounted. :)

And, believe me, COD 4 is on my list as well...I've played through the COD PC series, and I have the COD 4 demo ready to go.

Just 3 more days...

Brentos
12-03-2007, 05:33 PM
I know it's still a couple months away but anybody looking forward to a new smash bros as much as I am?

gunsage
12-03-2007, 09:36 PM
I wasn't aware that DS Lites were down to $100...that might be a good idea. It'll probably have to wait until after Christmas, but still. Still hammering away at Rogue Galaxy and I got Digital Devil Saga 2 via Amazon. :D I'm not going to play it yet as I've yet to finish the first, but I'll file it away in my collection (which I plan on posting a pic of tonight with my new bookshelf). I haven't picked back up PW3 yet...for two reasons, really...

1) Got SMASHED over the weekend on my wife's Christmas party, even though I was designated driver. Don't worry...I still drove home. :eek: (2 pitchers of hooch + 10 rounds of DDR = Sober?!)
2) Not really understanding exactly what I'm missing on Pearls' psychelock.

I also need to review a speedrun for Metroid Prime to see if there's a better strategy for beating Meta Ridley...MAN he's/she's/it's annoying. :cry: And yes, I'm looking forward to Smash Bros, though I didn't even play the last one or own the system for the new one. :p

Kara
12-03-2007, 10:25 PM
Right now, I'm playing Mario Party DS. Oh yeah, I'm a wild woman.

My SO was horribly sick over the weekend and so I picked it up for her. The only game she can whomp my ass in is Mario Party, because I always get crappy dice rolls.

gunsage
12-03-2007, 10:49 PM
I used to love playing Mario Party 2 for the N64. Of course, this was for 2 reasons...

1) It was the only game my wife felt she had a shot at vs. me (mostly true, though sometimes she'll catch me off guard on Virtua Fighter 4).
2) In the pirate level, it looks as if Toad is screwing the boat. :D

I haven't played it in a while because the N64 is just about junk anymore. :(

vonkarolinas
12-07-2007, 07:04 AM
Is there a Guild Wars thread started here yet?

Rapscallion
12-07-2007, 06:08 PM
No idea, but I dabble.

Rapscallion

Gerrinson
12-07-2007, 06:43 PM
Has anyone else seen/heard much about 4th edition D&D and if you have what do you think about it? I'm not too keen on it as they are taking the entire game in a direction I'm not happy with.


Yeah, I was talking to my friend (who happens to own the only gaming store in the county) about it. I think they're taking paper D&D in the wrong direction. It's not a CCG or a video game where you need brand new expansions all the time. It's D&D, it can (and IMHO should) stay the same for years. I certainly don't want to go investing in new books every year or two. :no:

Broomjockey
12-07-2007, 07:18 PM
My ex-friend is probably going to be insanely pissed about 4th edition D&D. He's bought almost every extra book you could name. It's a couple thousand dollars worth of investment, and now he's (knowing him) going to get really pissed and either toss it all, or pretend 4th doesn't exist, and get really angry any time someone brings it up.

For my own personal feelings, I think that it was a huge gap between 2nd and 3rd edition. Probably too big, as the game started to stagnat a bit. 3rd edition is probably one of the best things to happen to the game since it was created.

4th is going to be the worst. It's too soon. 3rd was still going strong. Hell, Eberron isn't even that old yet. 3.5 was more than enough of a mod. Knowing how it works, almost nothing from 3/3.5 is going to work with 4th, meaning the community is going to be split between those who want something fresh, and those who want familiar. Blah blah, every other argument. Meh. I'll probably grab the players guide just to see what it's all about.

gunsage
12-07-2007, 11:12 PM
w00t! I toppled the prison AND the factory yesterday in Rogue Galaxy! Yes yes, I've done it before, but I started over because I had just gotten the strategy guide and was worried maybe I'd missed something. I found out I didn't, but this brings me to my next point...does anyone else enjoy starting games over? Maybe it's because I'm terrible at finishing what I start, but most of the time some of the coolest, most well thought out stuff occurs right in the beginning of a game.

In fact, often it's the attention getter beginning that I'm often so drawn to. I recall playing the FF7 demo over and over. I'm not saying it never gets old, nor am I saying that there isn't more game than that, but you gotta admit that it's FUN. Anyway, anyone else? Who else here likes starting a game over because...

1. You legimitately forgot something and it's going to drive you MAD because you can't go back for it/you might be able to go back for it, but only WAY later potentially AFTER you really need it.
2. The area you're at is "too hard" and maybe if you'd done a little more in the beginning, you'd be better off now somehow.
3. The "filler" of the game has kicked in and man is it boring.
4. Just for the hell of it.

Anyway, back to the point about Rogue Galaxy...now that I've done both of those areas, it's back to the factory. For those that may not be familiar with Level 5 games, here's what you need to know about all their games. It seems that each game has some sort of "development workshop." In fact...

- Dark Cloud 1 doesn't really have much take in this. Primarily it was rearranging towns to the villagers' needs and developing weapons.
- Dark Cloud 2 allows you to take pictures for ideas and then combine those ideas to make inventions. Further, it's a little more involved as to getting elements for houses, etc. to place AND it's centered around making things right in the future. And yes, you also get to do weapon development.
- Dragonquest 8 allows you to combine things in the alchemy pot to make new things. Sounds pretty basic (and it is) but there are SO many things you can make and it stores all combinations made. That and you get to develop certain character abilities by allocating skill points.
- Rogue Galaxy allows you to develop things at the factory after you have blueprints, develop your characters' abilities via revelations (kinda similar to FF12 but with items instead of points), develop better weapons through fusion and such, and much more.
- Jeanne d'Arc allows you to combine skills to make new skills. Seems simple, but much like the alchemy pot, it keeps track of everything and it's rather expansive.

Therefore, there's a WHOOOLE lot of development ahead for me! Goodie! :D

vonkarolinas
12-08-2007, 04:09 AM
Ugh a 4th edition? Personally as a rpger I HATE D&D always have. Ever since the TSR days, I always found it so damn limiting. Even when WOTC took over it was too restrictive. I DO like most of the White Wolf Storyteller stuff, the good ole Middle Earth Role Playing System (MERPS, too bad it isn't still about). Call of Cthulu (Chaosium original NOT D20). The Classic Marvel Superhero roleplaying game Sengoku I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones for me.

lordlundar
12-08-2007, 05:18 AM
Who else here likes starting a game over because...

1. You legimitately forgot something and it's going to drive you MAD because you can't go back for it/you might be able to go back for it, but only WAY later potentially AFTER you really need it.
2. The area you're at is "too hard" and maybe if you'd done a little more in the beginning, you'd be better off now somehow.
3. The "filler" of the game has kicked in and man is it boring.
4. Just for the hell of it.

XenoGears, just trying to sort out the plot!:lol:

Gravekeeper
12-08-2007, 03:00 PM
My ex-friend is probably going to be insanely pissed about 4th edition D&D. He's bought almost every extra book you could name. It's a couple thousand dollars worth of investment, and now he's (knowing him) going to get really pissed and either toss it all, or pretend 4th doesn't exist, and get really angry any time someone brings it up.



To be honest I still have 1st edition....with a few extra sourcebooks from 2nd edition thrown in.

I love the 1st edition DM's Guide. It has rules for EVERYTHING regardless of how banal or insane it might be.

gunsage
12-08-2007, 09:12 PM
Xenogears, eh? By the time I got to the second disc, I had forgotten a pretty decent amount of the first. Even worse, the second disc has WAY too much text and not enough of the charm that was in the first disc as far as exploration, adventure, etc. Nope...just text...battles...text...battles. I didn't even bother finishing it because though the plot is very cool and deep, it's as if they weren't trying for the second disc.

And nevermind the direction the Xenosaga series took. I loved the first one, the second was a let down, and unfortunately while the third was a decent combination, it had the same problem...too much goddamn'd dialogue. And yes, it's primarily because they were just trying to wrap it up, but that alone has caused me to not bother continuing the second and to get somewhat bored with the third.

But if you REALLY want a plot to try and figure out, give Killer 7 a whirl. :p Love that game, but really, it doesn't warrant a second playthrough.

Broomjockey
12-08-2007, 09:29 PM
Killer 7 had a plot? Really? I just thought it was an interesting concept wrapped up in bad graphics, lacking dialogue, and non-existant hit detection.

gunsage
12-08-2007, 10:37 PM
Hey now, personally I like cel-shaded stuff like that. Honestly, I'm more intrigued because I don't quite understand how they make it work. Beyond that, the plot was so off the wall and nonsensical that it was, at least to me, entertaining. Now, if I had to change anything about the game, first off, you would NOT be on a track. There's absolutely no reason for it. Further, lack of HUD can kill a game just as much as an overly complex one can.

In this case, they don't show you your life, ammo, or even, if I recall correctly, your blood levels. Since you're on a track, there's no effective way to dodge, block, or even sidestep. I also didn't see the necessity to "blink" in order to see the enemies. Come on...you could just have had them appear out of nowhere...there's really no reason for that.

Beyond that, overall, it was a very fun game. Problem is, as is the case with a lot of "unique" titles, you'll either love it or hate it. Personally, I loved it. I was able to look past these annoying aspects of the game and enjoy the twisted adventure ahead of me. Another two examples of good concept/poor execution involve that of Clock Tower 3 and Rule of Rose.

Clock Tower 3 had you mostly hiding and performing various events to get away from whatever monster was chasing you. Anytime the monster attacked, it would raise your panic level. If it raises enough, well, you panic. And if you're attacked in panic mode, game over. Interesting concept, good plot...but the controls, terrible combat mechanics, and overly hard difficulty really dampened my experience with it.

Rule of Rose seemed like a decent survival/horror/absolutely freaking twisted title at first (and it is), until you enter combat. Rule of Rose's combat structure and control is HORRIBLE. It doesn't help any that there was virtually no thought process put into the monsters and the terribly limited inventory had you constantly travelling to and from save points. That and the mapping system really wasn't all that great either.

Even so, RoR's plot was enough to keep me interested and it's not as if 90% of the battles were terribly challenging, so it really wasn't that big of a deal. Bummer that you only get guns toward the end of the game, though (at least if you choose the bad ending, anyway).

Broomjockey
12-08-2007, 10:52 PM
I liked Killer 7 well enough, and I'm not ragging on Cell-shading (I really liked Wind Waker), but I'm ragging on the graphics. I had problems seeing through walls, tearing, and pop-ups. And there was seriously a minimum of hit detection. If it wasn't for that, I could have forgiven every other problem.

gunsage
12-08-2007, 11:06 PM
Oh, I see. Yeah, I do have to agree with that. In any case, I also went on to enjoy Grasshopper/Suda 51's Contact for the DS. Not a lot of people liked it for some reason and probably because it was so griding intensive. In any case, I also look forward to No More Heroes for the Wii. It looks something fierce. (http://wii.ign.com/objects/827/827358.html) :D

Broomjockey
12-08-2007, 11:39 PM
Yes, it does look awesome, and I'm glad that the reviews I read all say the controls are good. Too bad it isn't out until Feb. but that's probably just as well. :shrug: (I have exams and such ;))

gunsage
12-09-2007, 01:52 AM
For me, I don't really care when it comes out. The major problem here is I definitely WANT it...not want to play it, WANT it. It was the same way with Killer 7 and Resident Evil 4...not only could I not find them to rent, but I actually WANTED them...I didn't just want to rent them. In any case, I don't have a Wii and therefore, I am saddened. :(

Rahmota
12-09-2007, 02:26 AM
Broomjockey:My ex-friend is probably going to be insanely pissed about 4th edition D&D. He's bought almost every extra book you could name. It's a couple thousand dollars worth of investment, and now he's (knowing him) going to get really pissed and either toss it all, or pretend 4th doesn't exist, and get really angry any time someone brings it up. If you want to find out more there are a few good sites. the official wizards one but they make you pay a slight fee to get the insider info. www.enworld.org is really good with the previews.

Technically is wasn't D&D 2.5 but the player's option books filled that role. I didn't see the stagnation too bad. But then again I make my own world's, scenarios, campaigns and stuff and only glean the official stuff for useful ideas/tools I can rip.

As for pretending 4th doesn't exist thats what me and my group are goign to do. My friend in the Navy is in the same boat with every 3rd edition and most of second edition collected. See what happens when you get combat pay and dont spend it on women and booze...:) so while he doesnt exactly growl or grit his teeth when you talk about 4th he isnt exactly thrilled with it....

Gravekeeper: Yeah 1st ed D&d was cool. There where rules for everything in there. I have my build/work copy 1st ed Dm Guide dog eared, duct taped and glued together and my collection copy on the shelf in the office. The 3.5 Dm Guide is pretty okay with how they brought back a lot of the old rules like they had in 1st.

vonkarolinas:Personally as a rpger I HATE D&D always have. Ever since the TSR days, I always found it so damn limiting. Even when WOTC took over it was too restrictive Wow what kind of DM did you have? I've always found D&D to be when run by a good DM to be flexible, fun and entertaining. Even if you play it by the rules its still really flexible. It would take a real rules lawyer to make it inflexible to that degree. I've played characters that have done wierd and wild stuff very much similar to Jack Sparrow's antics (only usually not to the same degree of success) or worse. I had a 1/2 orc fighter who wound up owning his own small planet in spelljammer after starting on greyhawk, winding up on torill and a brief stay in ravenloft. He had a pet griffon, an elven wife who had been polymoprhed into an orc and all sorts of other stuff. heck my best character was a human barbarian who wound up with a character sheet that was 7 pages long front and back thanks to the stuff that had happened to him.

As for whitewolf. I guess its okay. I've tried vampire but the guy who GMd it was a nutjob who got a wee bit too creepy with it. My friend runs werewolf and I'm sorta getting into it. Kinda. But since he's in the Navy that kinda limits the table time.

And now for my rant on computer RPGs.
:rant:
Now that is one reason I dont like playing computer RPGs. Those things are totally inflexible, limiting, unfun. I dont care how flexible or whatever they claim to be. You are limited to a set of actions and storyline and if you try to do something very unusual or outside the little box they shove you into then the game yells at you or in a bad one crashes. (not so much anymore I know but still). I've played computer RPGs since back in teh days of Zork. Now that was an RPG game at least. In many ways the text parser based RPGs while maybe not as flashy and spectaculat and still rather limited where more fun than the latest and greatest computer RPG that requires a home cray to work on.

Not to mention they all wind up insulting my intelligence (like Neverwinter nights, titan quest) as they require utterly no brain power to go through and solve any of the puzzles in there. The roleplaying aspect are all stilted and useless. Kinda like the dialogue in a porno in some of them. You either get led around by the nose while waitign for the next chance to get into combat. Or the dialog just is a pointless waste of time until the next combat.

And thats what all these computer RPGs boild down to. The puzzles are nothign more than keep taking random guesses until you get it right. The games are all just about how much munchkiny garbage you can collect off the dead bodies you loot and pillage. No roleplaying at all just roll playing.

I loathe the existence of World of Crackquest. I have never played it never will. I have however tried to do an intervention on someone addicted to it and have sat and looked over a person's shoulder while they played it. I wound up staring at the aquarium as it was much more interesting.

Sorry for all you computer gamer folk but I'll take a pen and ink sit around the table game over a computer one always. Thats just my feelign on it and if you like em then more power to you. have fun at it.
End :rant:

gunsage
12-09-2007, 03:03 AM
To be truthful, there aren't a whole lot of PC style RPGs that I get into. A lot of people went on and on about Morrowind, KOTR, etc., but even when I force myself to sit down and play them, I'm just not having fun. Maybe it's because I grew up playing Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior, and the like. One of my uncles had an old old OLD D&D DOS game that was all text and actually, it was pretty fun.

Beyond that, though, I just don't get draw into them very much. I mean, sure, there's simple action/RPGs like Diablo and such that are fun, but again, those are action/RPGs, not standard RPGs. For the record, I'm not saying I don't like action/RPGs. Far from it, actually. What's nice about turn-based is it gives you time to really think about your strategy. And yes, that's another reason why I typically take strategy/RPGs (turn-based, of course) over action/RPGs in just about every scenario.

However, to be fair, I think I'd probably have to list my favorites as follows...

Favorite RPG - Final Fantasy 7. Runner up - Chrono Trigger.
Favorite Strategy/RPG - Disgaea. Runner up - Final Fantasy Tactics.
Favorite Action/RPG - Rogue Galaxy. Runner up - Dark Cloud 2.

No, I didn't deliberately not include PC games on this list, that's just how it shook out. For example, I'd be stupid to not mention the Fallout series or Deus Ex. However, in most cases, a PC RPG has to be really quite something to intrigue me. I guess that's about it.

Gravekeeper
12-09-2007, 03:50 PM
Wow, why all the PC RPG hate?

While I love me some Chrono Trigger to be blunt Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy etc aren't really RPGs so to speak. They're like diet RPGs. Its not like you're ever really called upon to make decisions or shape a character in any way. 99% of console RPGs are quite linear and don't allow you to affect the story very much if at all.

Thats why Oblivion got such high marks because you were basically just thrown in a sandbox. You weren't forced to go anywhere or do anything if you didn't want too but you could go and do whatever you wanted, where ever you wanted. But the problem with Oblivion is the same as its strength. Without a strong story narrative its just a really cool sandbox. So I never really got much into it either despite the fact I own it. I enjoy games with actual story lines and characters.

I just got finished playing Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines. Even though its a few years old. Still looks good because of the Half-Life 2 engine.

Now THAT is a roleplaying game. The clan you choose, what you do and what you say drastically effects how things play out and every scenario has multiple ways you can succeed based on your skills/playstyle/character/clan. Of course Malkavian is the clear winner. Just because you hear voices and all your dialogue options are insane. Oh, and you can use your Dementia to convince a guy he's really a grizzly bear and his two henchmen are salmon. Problem solved.

Anyone knocking PC RPGs needs to look into the legend that is Baldur's Gate 2. Not to mention Planescape: Torment and Fallout 1/2 of course. Then go snag Vampire Bloodlines off Direct2Drive. It's only 20 bucks. ;9

PS. KOTOR was good too. But KOTOR2 sucks since it was done by those bastards that did NWN2.

Rahmota
12-09-2007, 06:59 PM
gravekeeper:Wow, why all the PC RPG hate?


Because I find them boring, useless wastes of my time. The scripts are too limited as I'm always thinking of a way of doing something in an encounter or combat that the game designers didnt put into their script. The "roleplaying" enouncters are limited to stilted and useless dialogue and don't stimulate any thinking/roleplaying or plot movement other than dragging the character into another combat situation. If I wanted combat I'll do a turn based strategy game.

Baldur's Gate 2. Not to mention Planescape: Torment had them both, got bored with them about 1/3 and 1/2 way through respectively, gave them over to my eldest for a couple music cds in trade. The wife has titan quest titan quest immortal throne. Boooring! Just one excuse for combat over and over and over. hack slash hack slash repeat over and over ad nauseum. And the dialogue sucks.

Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines Oh that game. Thats an example of just number crunching and min/maxing the character to be able to meet the needs of the situation. No real roleplaying. I tried it at a friends house and got bored with it after like 15 minutes. It looks cool but just didnt grip me.


Gunsage:I dont lump pure turn based strategy games into the rest of the RPG games verse. One I do find kinda interesting, at least it is a tolerable way to pas the time is Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2. Build a dungeon then fight those pesky heroes. Still kinda limited and boring eventually (I've never finished either one getting too bored with them after a while)

As for Final Fantasy it didnt grip me either. For much the same reason as the others. Too restrictive a script, too restrictive a gameplay and the visuals where just plain goofy and distracting.

I dunno PC based RPGs just leave me cold. They are no substitute for tabletop pen and ink RPGS to me. I have no problem with violence or combat in games. Heck some of my most memorable characters had a great deal of violence in their history list.
a human barbarian who wound up with a character sheet that was 7 pages long front and back thanks to the stuff that had happened to him.

Which yeah I mistyped that. His history was 17 pages long front and back not a mere 7. I played that character for 5 years real time and from age 14 to age 50 game time. Started out as an outcast orphan and ended up a respected and honored barbarian king who had founded his own empire by uniting warring tribes and villages into a grand unity. Had alliances with several major empires. Had several times improvised things. I mean what PC RPG can you use another character as a weapon?

Story: My guy had been tripped in the middle of combat over the hobbit who had blown his tumble roll. This caused him to drop his favorite lovely sword in the world. (All his weapon slots went into the sword. He could even throw a great sword like a dagger with the amout of slots he had.) So I had the barbarian grab the hobbit by the ankles and swing him into the ogre as a club (his other chosen weapon). Critical hit. Boom down goes the ogre, and unfortunately the hobbit still lived too. Oh well. Ahh fond memories.

gunsage
12-10-2007, 10:00 PM
You wanna know why I consider most PC RPGs but still end up archiving them after playing about a few hours total?

1. Dialogue. Okay, yes, in console RPGs there typically isn't a LOT of dialogue unless it's, wait for it, RELEVANT. One of the earliest gripes I had about Morrowind was what is important and what isn't. The problem here is that I could care less about what the people say if they mostly say the same things anyway AND it's mostly worthless. What IS relevant is put in your journal, which typically prompts me to run up to random people, click through every possible dialogue choice, close out the conversation, and move on. BOOOORING.

At least in RPGs like Xenosaga, Final Fantasy, etc., that rarely happens. Yes, you have NPCs that say some of the most generic stuff, but typically it's "Welcome to Corneria!" or "Gosh, the empire sucks!" I can stand ridiculously long cutscenes packed with dialogue over worthless mountains of misinformation.

2. Action and pacing. Yes, there are a number of PC RPGs that have cool starters. And yes, games like Fallout, Planescape: Torment, etc. have good starters that draw you in, but then suffer from the above reason AND a lack of pacing. "Oh, but they're sandbox style!" you say. Sandbox style is not an excuse of the developer's part to be lazy! Sandbox style relies heavily on the user to be motivated and unfortunately, I'M NOT.

I really get into games like Disgaea because though it's very very linear, there's so many goodies, extras, and what have you available that it allows a lot of flexibility. Plot-wise, no, but developmental-wise yes.

3. Up until recently, PC RPGs didn't bother truly competing with console-style RPGs. Graphics weren't that big of a concern and it was more dedicated to old-style hardcord RPG enthusiasts. By "old-style," I mean those that grew used to tabletop style RPGs, text-based RPGs, etc.

PC RPGs have much to offer, but they're also very set in their ways. A lot of developers (Bioware, Bethesda, Interplay, etc.) have attempted to bring PC RPGs to the console market. Some are quite successful. It's not that I hate PC RPGs, it's just that I know what I can expect. In contrast, yes, a lot of console RPGs can be considered more "child-like," but therein lies the problem. It's not that it's child-like...more low brow, maybe, but that's also where the success of it is...it's simpler.

PC RPGs should not be console RPGs or vice versa, but both have a lot to learn from each other. I enjoy complexity in my games, but also want the entertainment value found in fast-paced console style games. This is something I constantly keep in mind as I proceed in my path to becoming a game developer.

gunsage
12-11-2007, 02:12 AM
Oh, there was one final thing I wanted to relay that doesn't have to do with argument's sake. ;) On PW3, I finally got past Pearls' psychelocks. Whew...that wasn't easy. I mean, in retrospect, it makes sense. Once I got past the second lock, it was all downhill, but initially, I really had no idea. So yeah, that's probably about done. Unfortunately, yet again, it addresses the question where do I go from here? There are plenty of PSP titles I'm interested in, but I'm not willing to buy really new stuff right now unless it's going to LAST.

And no, I'm not going to play through FFT AGAIN. Sorry. Valkyrie Profile Lenneth made sense for me because I really enjoy the game, but never finished it on the PS1. FFT makes no sense whatsoever because I've played it pretty much the whole way through and saw my bro beat it...good enough for me. I was thinking maybe the latest Zelda, but then again, my other idea is to get alllllllll the brain/coordination games that were released recently in an attempt to really get my mind going.

I loved Brain Age, but there are so many others now that I don't even know where to start. Flash Focus looks cool, Word Coach could be helpful, and then there's also stuff like Brain Age 2. BA2 is a definite must if it has more sudoku. Hmm.

Rahmota
12-11-2007, 03:12 AM
Gunsage: I'll agree with you on #3. Me being a tabletop gamer and all that.

I guess my biggest problem is that i think outside the box on a lot of things and it frustrates/annoys me when I want to do something and the pc rpg doesnt even consider that option. I know scripts and computer resources are finite and all that. I also see how much better the modern computers are compared to the older system and it seems like the newer games are concentrating on fluff and look of the game rather than the substance of the game like they used to when the hardware limitations made stunning visuals and full motion cutscenes a moot point. Its a style thing too.

If you do become a game devloper (I wish you good luck on it) then may I ask/suggest that you concentrate on making the substance and story of the game be better than the special effects and fluff.

I dunno. I don't even play console rpgs. The only thing I play on the PS2 are car race games and fighting games like mortal kombat and need for speed.

I think I'll back out of this one as I'm in the wrong place.

gunsage
12-11-2007, 10:44 PM
Actually, I find it more insightful than anything that this argument was posed on this forum rather than the gaming forum I go to as well. Yes, we've had the "Is Zelda an RPG?" debate, primarily fueled by...THIS. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2161) :D In any case, I'm not saying I absolutely abhor PC RPGs. No, actually, I'll give just about any game a shot.

TYPICALLY, this is what I've found from PC RPGs. What I will say, however, is that sandbox-style (which is very typical of most PC RPGs) is an interesting concept, but it really requires a lot on the user. I've mentioned one of my ideas here before for a game and it involves the following basic, but very expandable, concept:

Pure development where virtually everything's connected and almost limitless skills with which to develop.

Basically, that means if you perform a left jab, did it hit? How hard? How effective was it, given the circumstances? Was it a critical strike? Did it break the enemy's guard? Was it countered? There are a lot of things that are considered and then from all of those exp is applied to a variety of skills, techniques, stats, and much more that make sense.

See, I like the flexibility games like Diablo give you by allowing you to apply stat points yourself, but it doesn't make much sense. I mean, come on...if I'm a warrior and all I do is go around and beat peoples' faces in, does it make sense that my intelligence would raise? Of course not. All the same, Final Fantasy games are often too restrictive in that you have set classes and you can't really go outside of their boundaries.

In other words, let's assume, for whatever reason, you had your white mages beating the hell out of people rather than using magic of any kind. Since your character levels are based on a specific class, it doesn't really matter...primarily your intelligence will rise and things associated with it, but only minor strength upgrades here and there.

This method says "Okay, you decide how you want to develop by your own actions." Further, I plan on having "moods and behaviors" that can be both positive and negative at the same time that occur based on combat experience, your decisions in battle, loud noises, etc. In other words, let's say you don't have a lot of combat experience and you get surrounded.

You develop the "panic" mood, which heightens your agility and things associated with agility, but lowers accuracy and strength. In other words, you're telling yourself to RUN AWAY. If you don't run away, there's a good chance that the next time this happens, you'll instead develop a different mood fitting your previous decisions...perhaps "coolheaded" or something along those lines.

Plot-wise, I like games that have a relatively linear plot but allow flexibility. I hate games that are SO sandbox that it feels like they don't bother guiding you or doing anything helpful or interesting after about the first hour of gameplay. However, I also like goodies. I like games where there are more side missions to the game than primary missions and plenty of missions you can do over and over again, which is another reason I loved Fable, but really wished it was longer, had more depth, etc.

Anyway, back on topic...I've yet to go back to Wright, but I need to...I feel like I'm VERY close to the end. Didn't really get a chance to touch Rogue Galaxy either. Honestly, right now I'm waiting for my voucher to come in for the second part of the A+ certifications, but today I was tired and didn't play anything. Sorry. :p

Eddie The 'Ead
12-12-2007, 02:53 PM
Just recently beat Twilight Princess, though I didn't get all the poes, heart pieces, and I didn't do all the sidequests. Good thing it lets me go back and do them.

Geek King
12-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Tossing in on Rahmota's PC RPG hate discussion. I like computer RPGs, but I've never really thought about why. I play tabletop RPGs as well, just so I can point out that I have the background to comment. :)

I think I look at console/PC RPGs as more like a book I play. I have a large-ish collection of the Fighting Fantasy and Lone Wolf books, where the author acts as the GM, but you can slot your own stats and equipment. More limited than a tabletop? Sure, but I don't have to arrange schedules to get everyone together to play it, either. So, I guess I enjoy working through the plots on a console/PC RPG to see how it turns out. A good plot can make a game for me, and that's what I look for in a review, placing it just above playability on my needs criteria.

RichS
12-12-2007, 09:46 PM
So, my break has come - what have I been playing?

Actually, a couple of older games - GTA Vice City & The Simpsons - Hit & Run. I'm just biding my time 'till Christmas and the goodness that is The Orange Box. :D

Oh, and I finished the Call of Duty 4 demo - graphically, it's amazing. Gameplay was about the same as all COD games, which means good. Definitely one for my list. I'm also working on the Crysis demo, which looks great also, but I've only been able to play it once (kids & computer in main living room).

gunsage
12-12-2007, 10:02 PM
From what I've seen, Crysis and Orange Box look awesome. Unfortunately, my computer can't handle ANY of that. By the by, I had started playing VC a little while ago too...what's your record for firetruck missions? I got some sort of "fireproof" award when I got to a certain level, but I couldn't remember which one. I also don't know if you can get more than just that. GTA is a series that I'm constantly going back to, but often straying from because I'm not dedicated enough to do the same goddamn'd mission over and over again when I fail.

I got significantly farther in the PSP titles, but even then, I often drifted to...well, anything that WASN'T GTA, essentially. I should also like to present an announcement...while sales are clearly down this and last month, I just sold PaRappa the Rapper on Amazon. w00t. :D Not surprisingly, Final Fight Streetwise's entry expired. :p You know, it's not the worst game in the world...it's actually pretty fun. But yes, it's VERY crappy.

So you might be asking "Why would you get that crappy game in the first place?" Glad you asked! (SHUT UP, YOU DID ASK, SO THERE) :p Actually, since PS2 titles have winded down and everyones' concentrating on the new systems (both developers and users), this is a prime time to try titles that have been "blacklisted" and as a result, put at or below $10 a pop.

As I said, the game was fun, but very crappy. The arcade mode was pretty decent, for a nice nostalgic touch. The plot was terrible, the controls could've been better, the music ranged from generic to terrible...I mean, basically, it's as if Capcom didn't give a rat's ass. And this is unfortunate, because they didn't care much when they made Beatdown: Fists of Vengeance either.

Yes, Capcom, who once upon a time was KING of brawlers, can't seem to make a decent one to save their life. Here's the really ironic part: right around the same time these were coming out, Namco released one (Urban Reign) and so did Rockstar (The Warriors). I was pretty skeptical of Rockstar. I mean, come on...they had no real experience in that genre with the exception of the crappy fighting engines in GTA and State of Emergency. Please note that I'm not including Manhunt here because it didn't have any real fighting engine, just basic strikes, much like GTA...well, okay then, so maybe I should include it. :p

Ironically, both Namco and Capcom failed. Meanwhile, The Warriors KICKED ASS. And on top of that? Manhunt 2's combat engine was a liiiiiiiittle better and Bully's combat engine was more or less a direct conversion from The Warriors. Thus, OWNAGE. I'd actually like to go on the record here saying that were it not for the immense popularity of the GTA series, Bully should be #1 from Rockstar.

And that's about it for now. :wave:

RichS
12-14-2007, 12:33 AM
By the by, I had started playing VC a little while ago too...what's your record for firetruck missions?

I'm playing the PC version, I haven't even tried any yet - I'm just going through the missions as far as I can (I don't play it when the kids are around ;) )
I finally got GTA 3 to go on my computer - the same thing that scrambled my picture files messed up an old save file I had in the My Documents folder. :( Deleting that got the game to finally run, so I'm probably going to play some more of that too.

GTA is a series that I'm constantly going back to, but often straying from because I'm not dedicated enough to do the same goddamn'd mission over and over again when I fail.

I know - I'm on the RC helicopter mission on GTA Vice City. Whoever did the PC port didn't do a good job of controls for the 'copter. It's aggravating to play - I'm tempted to cheat just to get through it.

But, the series is fun too, because of the freedom. Sometimes in GTA 3, I'll steal a bus, get it to top speed, and start ramming vehicles until it explodes, to relieve stress :D

gunsage
12-14-2007, 09:49 PM
This is yet another reason I have a wireless controller VERY similar to that of a PS2 controller for gaming on the PC. True, I had gotten used to mapping keys on the keyboard for arcade games, but unless it's an FPS, there's a good chance I'm going to want to use the 'troller. The RC helicopter is a bitch, anyway, but it's much easier with a controller.

I only ask about the firetruck because I stole one, racked up a HUGE amount of money, and started buying properties VERY early. :lol: Personally, I like San Andreas the best because of the stat building and territory stuffs. And yes, as a direct result, that's why I loved Scarface and The Godfather so much as well (no, I haven't beaten those either).

I haven't picked back up Rogue Galaxy, but I am getting much closer to the end on PW3. Further, I picked up Fire Emblem for the GC. I figure if I get bored with it, I can sell it for muchos dolares. :p I honestly considered picking up more copies, but that would require...uh..."travel." Honestly, out of rare titles, there are only a few others I've been wanting (Ikaruga's the first one that comes to mind).

I really ought to hurry up and beat what MegaTen games I do have because apparently their value has skyrocketted. If I'm not mistaken, Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga 1 alone are both $100 a pop. :eek: Granted, it's an excellent series, but I hate it when it's ridiculously hard to find the games as a direct result.

Worse still...it wouldn't bother me so much if we were talking PS1 or before. After all, there's emu for that. No, when it's PS2 and beyond, I'm screwed. That's not to say there aren't emus for that, but I bet it wouldn't work on my PC anyway. On a slightly related note, I made a couple of sales on Amazon recently, so I treated myself to my favorite alcohol...Bacardi 151. Booya. :D

gunsage
12-18-2007, 04:43 AM
Well, I did something over the weekend that was a bit of a change of pace for me...I fired up my emus and various games on the PC. Of significant mention are...

- Persona 2 - PS1.
- Half-Life - PC.
- Legend of Legaia - PS1.

For some reason, my copy of Persona 2 had some sort of "debug" on it. Actually, I didn't catch on that it was a "hidden" part of the game, futz'd with it, and, well...a bunch of stuff happened. For one, and this could be the emu being silly, often there will be code from the game that's visible. Another thing is I have about 999 of each type of tarot card which is...okay...but it also means that conversations with demons are about useless now.

It's been a long time since I've been able to CRANK the graphics on something, but HL managed that in spades. Unfortunately, something was crappy with the swimming and I kinda quit after that because I don't think autosaves were on. :cry: As far as LoL...HMMMMM...:lol: ANYWAY, as far as Legaia (better), I was more testing the 3D portion because I hadn't used that emu in a while. It, too, is a fun game.

I should also like to point out that for some reason, sales have kicked back up on Amazon. If you guys have stuff to sell, check it out, seriously. Me, personally, I'm going to try to be as financially stable until the new year, then take some capital and try to make a market out of selling older games.

gunsage
12-21-2007, 11:26 PM
I'm surprised nobody else posted here before me, but okay. Anyway, got past that uber-annoying Deego vs. Gale fight on Rogue Galaxy. I really haven't touched PW3 lately. Yes, I'm stuck again, but that's besides the point. Mostly, I've been going through and documenting which tracks I enjoy on ocremix.org to add to my RPG Maker XP package and then go about creating RPG prototypes. RAWK. :D

Anyway, though I'm not STUCK on RG, there's a bit of a problem. Okay, I don't know if I'm the only one here who's played the game or not, but I'm looking for chaos chips in the game. From what I remember, the last time I played it it didn't seem like it was that hard to find them, but now I can't. Why's it so important? For those that have played the game, this will make sense...obviously it won't for those that haven't. :p

In order to create the Assembler III, I need 3 chaos chips or something. The other ingredients are fairly generic, so no biggie there. The Assembler III allows you to fuse together three items in the factory. This is important for more advanced development. As is, there are already a variety of items I could create if I had the new assembler...but I can't seem to find any chaos chips. And yes, this is even referencing the guide, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

Beyond that, I got to D rank in the Insectron Stadium, started working on the three ruins, and I'm making pretty steady progress on revelation development. Finally, I'm at about 36 rank of the hunter list, so that's cool too. And in case you didn't catch my previous mentionings, YES YOU NEED TO PLAY THIS GAME IF YOU NEVER HAVE. :lol:

I really haven't played much other than Rogue Galaxy lately...and with my head hurting as much as it is from Network+, that may be all I can handle at the moment. Well, I suppose my head could also be hurting from downing 151, but probably not. :p

gunsage
12-22-2007, 11:20 PM
Okay, so now I have something relevant to add. No, really. :p Throughout my Christmas shopping today I went and picked up Rune Factory for the DS. I haven't tried it yet but it looks like good fun, especially because I loved Harvest Moon and various other Natsume games. Anyone else like Natsume?

gunsage
12-24-2007, 09:13 PM
Okay, so, here we go. Rune Factory is AWESOME. I think the controls could've been worked a little better, but other than that, it's great. I've taken only one call today and it was a blind transfer from tier 2. But hey, one call?

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/spidey_dance.gif

I brought my DS and all my games with me. I also brought a few GC games because one of my coworkers has a miniscreen attachment with his GC here and has been randomly challenging people to Mario Kart late in the shift. Should be a good day. :D

Gravekeeper
12-25-2007, 11:04 PM
Didn't get into Rune Factory.

On a side note, Call of Duty 4.....kinda sucks. The single player was awesome but multiplayer was seriously disappointing. Which really peeves me off because thats what its strength is suppose to be and that's why I bought it. =/

gunsage
12-26-2007, 12:38 AM
I've honestly been interested in Call of Duty 4. And really, this is coming from someone who stopped with WW2 games just before and just after Return to Castle Wolfenstein. :p Actually, that's why, really...it's set in a modern setting. I'm not that much of a multiplayer when it comes to FPSs. Yes, that means I don't like Halo. There. I said it. Anyway, so you didn't like Rune Factory?

Did you enjoy Harvest Moon or Legend of the River King? See, I really enjoyed Harvest Moon, so I already knew I would like Rune Factory. I especially like the way you can level everything up by doing different stuff. I mean, really, that's what I was talking about in concerns to character development for my game idea...although, it was quite a bit more detailed in Contact...but then, that's another review for another day. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2284) :p

For those that don't know what Rune Factory is/haven't heard of it, it's probably easiest to describe as Harvest Moon spliced with an action/RPG. For those of you that haven't played Harvest Moon, well, it's like this. Within minutes of the intro, you get a farm handed to you with a couple of simple tools to plow and plant away. It seems like it's going to be yet another Harvest Moon until you discover that you can enter caves and fight monsters.

Nevermind that, you can fish, farm, decorate, and, uh...stuff. :p The point is if you liked Harvest Moon or you're looking for a more laidback style RPG, this is probably for you.

vonkarolinas
12-26-2007, 12:52 AM
vonkarolinas: Wow what kind of DM did you have? I've always found D&D to be when run by a good DM to be flexible, fun and entertaining. Even if you play it by the rules its still really flexible. It would take a real rules lawyer to make it inflexible to that degree. I've played characters that have done wierd and wild stuff very much similar to Jack Sparrow's antics (only usually not to the same degree of success) or worse. I had a 1/2 orc fighter who wound up owning his own small planet in spelljammer after starting on greyhawk, winding up on torill and a brief stay in ravenloft. He had a pet griffon, an elven wife who had been polymoprhed into an orc and all sorts of other stuff. heck my best character was a human barbarian who wound up with a character sheet that was 7 pages long front and back thanks to the stuff that had happened to him.

I had a terrible GM and someone who took the rules in the books more as unbreakable laws set forth by God himself. I also found it high infuriating as a magic user to take the time to learn a spell only to be able to cast it like once then have to relearn it. how does that even make sense? As for what you were describing about your characters, that is just pure role playing, how a character behaves really is up to the player not the GM, though I had a gm try to tell me "Your character wouldn't do that." Needless to say, I walked out of that game and never looked back.

As for White Wolf, like you said it all depends on the GM. As for compter rpg, have you played the Elder Scrolls series? They have some small amount of flexiblility to them.

Broomjockey
12-26-2007, 01:41 AM
. I also found it high infuriating as a magic user to take the time to learn a spell only to be able to cast it like once then have to relearn it. how does that even make sense?

Well, as a sorcerer, it doesn't. You can use any spell you know up to however many times per day you can use that level of spell.

Wizards. Do you want the game mechanics reasoning, or the in-game reasoning? Also, this is going to be based on my interpretation of what you said, as you didn't give a lot of details.

Game Mechanics: A wizard must choose what spells to have for the day so as to limit the otherwise overpowered nature of the class. You could otherwise just randomly have access to dozens of spells, some of which are only situationally useful. So instead they make it so you pick the spells you have for the day, and then that's all you get, and have to restudy it to cast it again.

In-world reasoning: The magic is not innate to the wizard, but only being channeled through. In order to properly channel the magic, the proper forms must be used, which include material components, incantations, and gestures. Any misstep in these and the conduit is not properly formed, negating the spell. However, these forms are not easily grasped by the mortal mind, thus only allowing the pattern to be stored for a short time before clarity fades, thus the "use it or lose it" aspect, and the force of the magic coursing through the mage wipes the incantation from your mind because of the unnatural energies being keyed to that information, and so expending the energy expends the pattern, so the wizard stores the knowledge in permanent form, in a spell book.

Now, if your DM was saying that the spell was being wiped from the spell book too, which is the other option I'm getting from your statement, then that's a case of :wtf:

vonkarolinas
12-26-2007, 02:02 AM
Now, if your DM was saying that the spell was being wiped from the spell book too, which is the other option I'm getting from your statement, then that's a case of :wtf:

Yeah, pretty much. Got old real fast.

Gravekeeper
12-26-2007, 03:46 AM
I loved Harvest Moon, but Rune Factory....I dunno. The backgrounds were gorgeous, the character models were tiny abominations of nature. ;p

Call of Duty 4 would be worth buying for the single player game if the single player was longer then like 6 hours long. But its not. Its disappointedly short. Awesome, yeah. But really short. Even by FPS standards.

DarthRetard
12-27-2007, 03:48 PM
What about multiplayer was so disappointing to you, GK? I'm just curious.

Geek King
12-27-2007, 04:33 PM
What about multiplayer was so disappointing to you, GK? I'm just curious.

Also interested, as I enjoy it quite a bit. I play several times a week, and I'm getting to be quite the terror with claymores and a sniper rifle or LMG. :D

gunsage
12-29-2007, 03:26 AM
So yeah...still liking Rune Factory, but there are some complaints. Of course, the best way to illustrate this is to compare it to Harvest Moon. Okay, it makes sense that at the beginning of RF, the hoe and watering can are given to you. I mean, after all, that plus seeds is what you need to farm. What DOESN'T make sense is how you acquire other tools. For example, in Harvest Moon, if memory serves correct, you acquire different tools by purchasing them.

I guess this just made TOOOOO much sense for Rune Factory. Yeah, to get them thar tools? You gotta randomly talk to various villagers. Not so bad? Really? Consider the following scenario:

Snotty Bitch: "Aren't you going to renovate your property anytime soon?! What an eyesore!"
Me: "Err."
SB: "Oh wait, you'd need an axe to break up the lumber to do that, wouldn't you?"
Me: "Uhh."

AND YOU GET A FARKING AXE. Right. THAT made sense. On a slightly different note, I've gone back to playing Final Fantasy 12 again, which, while an interesting twist in the FF series, is admittedly more of a Vagrant Story 2 with an updated sphere grid a la FFX. That's not to say it's a bad game or anything, but gathering licenses gets to be a chore.

And finally, one of my coworkers got Guitar Hero 3 for his laptop and I proceeded to break various records on it. w00timus maximus. :D

Gravekeeper
12-29-2007, 07:11 AM
What about multiplayer was so disappointing to you, GK? I'm just curious.

I want to like it, I really do. But after coming out of the perfect balance of TF2 and walking into the complete mess that is CoD4 multi it was a huge disappointment. Everything's just a one shot one kill frag fest that rewards finding a corner and staying there the entire game rather then any actual tactics. Then there's the retarded "Perks" ( Martyr and Last Stand for example ) and other unlocks that ensure new players basically just have to bend over and be whipping boys for high level players.

Then there's the cheating. Jesus Christ what's up with all the cheating? Exp hacking, auto knifing, etc. It reminds me of Counter-Strike with the level of cheating.

Combine that all with a map set that has a ridiculous amount of sniper holes / elevated fire positions and its just not fun in any way shape or form.

Oh, and why go so hardcore for realism then leave in bunny hopping, prone spamming and instant knife kills? -.-

It really sucks because I so wanted to enjoy it. Thats why I bought it, for the multi.

gunsage
12-29-2007, 09:37 PM
Yeah, the last multiplayer game I was playing diligently was Stick Arena. (http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/stickarena) Fun stuff, but yes, WAY too many cheaters. When you're actually playing against legit players, that's one thing, but MAN...there are just too many cheaters. Still, if I can find a game that is cheatproof (HA!), that'd be fun.

Greenday
12-29-2007, 10:06 PM
I just got XBox 360 for Christmas! I got the two standard games that come with it. The Forza Motorsports game is ADDICTING! I also got Halo 3, Rainbow Six Las Vegas, and Call of Duty 4. I still haven't opened Rainbow Six or Call of Duty yet. Kinda waiting till I get back to school. And I beat the first level in Halo. I'll upgrade my account when I get to school to so I can get online.

gunsage
12-29-2007, 10:22 PM
Hey, let me know how that R6Vegas is. I haven't played a Rainbow Six game since the first one, and even then, I played that on the N64. Didn't really like it all that much, but given the advancements in the Splinter Cell series, I figure it's probably worth checking out.

Blade_Raver
12-30-2007, 02:42 AM
Games that I play...

Once I get a more stable internet connection at home (Feb/Mar 2008) I'll be back to playing Eve Online with two accounts simultaneously :)

Otherwise.. it's Diablo 2, Rise of Nations, considering getting back into WoW...

On consoles... Final Fantasy has always been a favorite of mine (I started playing 1 for NES a long time ago) then there's Onimusha Tactics for GBA, Destiny of an Emperor for NES..Dragon Warrior 1-4 for NES.. the list of RPGs goes on.

Oh, and let's not forget Dynasty Warriors 2-5 for PS2... mmm..good times.

Kara
12-31-2007, 06:34 AM
Just got Zelda: Phantom Hourglass for Christmas. This game is like digital love. I love how the controls are so simplistic, yet effective. Being able to move the map down to the bottom screen and write stuff on it is also great. I'm also having waaaaaay too much fun with the boomerang. I can wipe out a room full of weak enemies by writing my name, or "LOL."

I'll admit I was a little worried about sea travel, with it being the sequel to Wind Waker. Thankfully, gone are the days of "change the wind to X direction, point the ship at your destination, and go take a nap or something until you get there."

The online Battle game is fun, too. If anyone wants to play me sometime, we'll exchange Friend Codes.

SongsOfDragons
12-31-2007, 04:15 PM
It's probably been mentioned already, but has anybody watched the Zero Punctuation video game reviews? They are as funny as hell. Search that or go look on www.escapistmagazine.com and prepare to clutch your sides.

I'm a n00b gamer. Seriously. It took me A YEAR AND A HALF to finish Link's Awakening. I got stuck playing some of my dad's old Atari 2600 games - and yes I have seen first-hand the fiasco that was the ET game!! (Not on my dad's though.) I have a gamecube, I only really like the more multiplayers on there...I have a GBA and a DS and that's where my game library has expanded more. I really want them to port Oracle of Seasons and Ages to the DS...I love those games.

RP wise, I love Vanishing Point and Call of Cthulhu, I've tried D&D and I'm muddling together a system of my own that uses d10, and other dice (d4-d5-d6-d7-d8) as damage dice depending on one's power. It also has a hell of a lot riding on the hitpoint system, like numbers-to-roll-to-hit and how many times one can use the power before you start losing hp.

RichS
12-31-2007, 04:43 PM
After a pause for getting ready for the holidays, I've been playing with the goodness that is The Orange Box. I've already completed Portal, and am at the point in HL2:Ep. 2 where I'm defending the base against Striders. Haven't even touched the other game I got, Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl.

That, and my wife let me purchase a game off of Steam during their 10-50% off sale (going on until Jan. 1st!) that I've been wanting for awhile, Flatout 2. Now I have to make a copy of my Steam folder on my laptop and take it to a high-speed connection to download the game. :( Hopefully I'll be done today.

gunsage
12-31-2007, 11:32 PM
Has anyone beaten Call of Cthulu: Dark Corners of the Earth? I got far enough that I could actually have weapons, got the truck working...then got beat up during the ride. I kinda gave up there, but it was pretty fun for what it's worth. BTW, depending on the Zelda game, you may never finish it...*cough* ZELDA 2 AND MAJORA'S MASK *cough*. Hmm.

In any case, I'm still hoe-ing away at Rune Factory. :p I'd also like to point out that I made some impressive sales, so I decided to pick up some stuff. I picked up dot Hack 2 and 3, but it'll probably be quite an effort to find 4 in a store rather than online. I also picked up Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence or whatever the subtitle is.

I'd played MGS3 before, but hadn't beaten it, so I decided to pick up the "plus version" of sorts. And this reminds me...has anyone tried the Acid games? Personally, I really enjoyed them. (http://projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2254) Beyond that, I was really interested in Portable Ops, but I guess the plus version was crap or something, so I don't know.

And while we're on the subject, what are your thoughts on MGS4? Personally, I think it'll be great, but I'm not sure what system I ought to get to play it.

Broomjockey
12-31-2007, 11:42 PM
I can't remember if I managed to beat CoC or not...

I do remember that the first time I tried playing (X-Box), I got to the chase sequence, died 5 bajillion times, then packed it up for a YEAR. Then the next time I played, I got through it on one try. I almost died in shock. Then I died because I got tagged by a townsman that snuck up on me while I was shocked. So I had to do it again >_<

I did manage to get really far in the game though. The insanity effects are the best I've seen in a game to date. Blows Eternal Darkness out of the water for creep factor. The weapons don't make the game any easier though...:cry:

Gravekeeper
01-01-2008, 01:41 PM
Just finished The Witcher. FANTASTIC game. The totally random sex kinda weirded me out....but other then that, fantastic game. Been a long time since there was a really kick ass, well written RPG out.

Only prob is, like I said, the totally random sex. It doesn't have actual sex scenes or anything but it seems like half the people you talk to try to pork you. >< I tried to get through it avoiding as many of them as possible but I was still raped or blackmailed into it 3 or 4 times.

Sometimes you'll just get jumped midway through a conversation off a dialogue option that wasn't even remotely related. Its kind of odd. But if you can ignore that ( or I guess revel in it if thats your thing ) then its a fantastic game.


Sigh, I just reopened my WoW account yesterday too. Starting up a new toon with a friend on Misha ( the server ) >.>

Kara
01-01-2008, 04:16 PM
*cough* ZELDA 2 AND MAJORA'S MASK *cough*. Hmm.


Zelda II was one of the first games I got for my NES back in '89. It took me like 6 years, but I beat it. Now I can beat it whenever I want. I know it's the underdog of the series, but I LOVE it. There were so many innovations that were not repeated. At it wasn't until Ocarina of Time that fighting enemies actually felt like a "fight" as opposed to just, run around and whack them in the back.

Broomjockey
01-01-2008, 04:39 PM
There were so many innovations that were not repeated.

You probably know this, but that's because it wasn't originally a Zelda game. They just repackaged it, and reprogrammed some stuff and called it Zelda, because they weren't sure what to do with it.

gunsage
01-12-2008, 05:55 PM
Honestly, I enjoyed Zelda 2 also, but mostly because it DID have RPG qualities. BTW, I just got back from vacation...yay. Also, I switched over to first shift, which is quite a shock, because it's actually proven much easier thus far. I'm also finishing up my Network+, then it's on to Security+. BUT, this thread isn't about that!

I honestly didn't know what to play on my vacation, so I let my wife choose. First, she chose Wizardry for the PS2. Fun stuff, but it gets a bit tedious. Why? Well, there's certainly some interesting qualities here like morale, allied actions, quests, etc., but there are very few shortcuts in the game and you never truly get access to a full map unless you use a spell...meh. Why mention the lack of shortcuts? Well, each time you leave the labyrinth...YOU START ALL THE WAY OVER FROM THE BEGINNING. :cry:

Anyway, I had fun just grinding and quest bashing for a while on that, then I got bored. Then she did something absolutely brilliant. She picked off the shelf...Nocturne. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, to be specific. As a basic recap, Nocturne is part of the "MegaTen" series, which encompasses Shin Megami Tensei, Digital Devil Saga, Persona, and a few others. Most of these titles deal with demons, negotiation, HEAVY RPG characteristics, and, well, the occult.

The reason I say it was brilliant she chose Nocturne is I started over on hard mode. Yeah...die within 10 minutes of starting? HARD MODE. Make one minor mistake in battle which completely snowballs what little "strategy" you may have left? HARD MODE. Got into a battle with 8 enemies that you just HAPPEN not to have the spell they're weak against? You get the picture.

Fun stuff, but even more fun is that it got me back into playing the MegaTen series, so I also started back up with Digital Devil Saga. Don't know if I'll be playing Persona 3 again anytime soon, but most likely. And while we're at it...

Digital Devil Saga kicks ass. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2157)

So does Nocturne. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2125)

Shameless plugs AHOY! :lol:

Edit: I also picked up a couple of games since I was on vacation and made some sales. I picked up episodes 2 and 3 of .hack, but I'm sure finding the 4th will be a bitch. I also replaced the missing copy of Disgaea for wifey, though I was more looking for the PSP version which I guess has new stuff. Beyond that, I also picked up Total Overdose (crazy shooting frenzy at its finest) and Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence (which I promptly beat). I don't really care about the online mode, but the secret theater was hilarious and the translated versions of MG1 and 2 for the MSX? Freakin' nice. :D

Chanlin
01-13-2008, 07:52 AM
If you liked anything from Shin Megami Tensei then Persona 3 should be right up your alley.

As for games in my current play and or recently finished list in no particular order:

Blue Dragon
Valkyrie Profile 2
Puzzle Quest
Zelda: Phantom Hourglass, Twilight Princess
Persona 1, 2, and 3
Assassins Creed
Halo 3
Atelier Iris 1 and 2
Wild Arms 4 and 5
.hack// Quarantine and GU 1 and 2

Gravekeeper
01-13-2008, 10:42 AM
An anime series of Persona just began airing. First episode was promising. I shall persist in beholding it. -.-

gunsage
01-14-2008, 03:33 PM
If you liked anything from Shin Megami Tensei then Persona 3 should be right up your alley.
Pssst. I have it. :p Actually, I may be wrong here, but I have almost all of them. Here's what I still have after my sales...

- Digital Devil Saga 1 (PS2)
- Digital Devil Saga 2 (PS2)
- Persona 3 (PS2)
- Devil Summoner (PS2)
- Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne (PS2)

Those that aren't mentioned that I have played and/or previously owned:

- Persona 1 (PS1)
- Persona 2 (PS1)
- Digital Devil Saga 1 (SNES)
- Digital Devil Saga 2 (SNES)
- Revelations: The Demon Slayer (GBC)

I know there were two versions of Persona 2 (only played American version), supposedly a NES game, another PS1 game called "Soul Hackers," Stella Deus for the PS2, some GBA titles, and also, though slightly unrelated, there's Jewel Summoner for the PSP. And yes, Persona 3 kicks major ass. :D Anyway, I'm back where I initially ran out of steam in Digital Devil Saga...the supposedly impenetrable fortress with plenty o pitfalls...ugh.

As far as Nocturne, and keep in mind I'm playing the hard mode, I'm a bit stuck in the Amala Network for the first time. I say I'm a bit stuck because often you'll make one minor mistake (or something completely unpreventable like missing), and you're screwed...BIG TIME. I just kinda hang out near the save and healing points constantly grinding. Really, that's all I can do at the moment...I guess.

In any case, I also dropped in yesterday at my local Gamecrazy and picked up, oh, 6 PS1 titles and Psi-Ops for the PS2. The awesome part is that the games I picked up for the PS1 really aren't bad, per se, either...

- Missile Command
- Alien Trilogy
- Rogue Trip: Vacation 2012
- 007 Tomorrow Never Dies

And, uh...well, two others whose names evade me currently. In any case, they have a sale going where you can pick up two for $5. Pretty sweet deal, especially considering I can probably go and turn these over for at least double the price online. :D Psi-Ops is also kinda cool, but having forced tutorials is really crappy. It's mostly fun because of the Havok engine. Why? Well...

- Telekinetically throwing someone off a high platform is great.
- I personally enjoy constantly crotch kicking someone about after they've died.
- Even if I'm fully strapped, I love tossing random objects (and dead bodies) at enemies.
- Tossing people into fireplaces. Mwahahahaahaa.

:devil::devil::devil: Besides that, though, the game's plot is okay, the saving is kinda crap, and ultimately, it has a number of other flaws...but Havok saves the day. :D

DarthRetard
01-14-2008, 03:35 PM
Just picked up Ninjabread Man for the Wii as a joke, it's pretty hilarious. Terrible, but hilarious.

gunsage
01-17-2008, 02:15 PM
Don't think I've heard of Ninjabreadman...but it sounds hilarious. :p Anyway, I remembered the other games...

- Blaster Master (PS1)
- Oddworld: Abe's Oddyssey (PS1)

Blaster Master has that cheezy, T.R.A.G. sort of wanting to be serious, but failing miserably...kinda like a B movie or something. And really, thus far, it's not a "bad" game...just cheezy. Oh so cheezy. Of all the games I got, I could really only sell Abe and Rogue. Here's the funny part...those games only cost me $15 total and yet, if I sell both of those titles, I'll make over $20. :lol:

Just further proof that it's worth bargain bin diving every so often. ;) In any case, yesterday I picked up a couple of PS2 titles...

- Unlimited SaGa
- Megaman X: Command Mission
- Suffering: Ties that Bind
- Maximo: Ghosts to Glory

...And here's why. Yes, I'm on the podium for this one. :p I'd never gotten a chance to try Unlimited SaGa. Ditto for Suffering 2, but this is especially relevant for SaGa. Besides The Bouncer, it was one of the WORST Squaresoft titles ever, according to everyone and their brother. :p In any case, I stayed way the hell away from it while still sorta wanting to try it anyway. It was the same way with The Bouncer...when I saw previews for it, it looked kinda neat and I really wanted to try it...then I did...ugh.

Thus far, SaGa isn't that bad. The combat system is a bit funky, but manageable. And really, in comparison to other SaGa games, this is what I kinda expected. As far as Command Mission and Maximo, these were both titles I had played and liked, but were WAY too expensive to warrant a purchase at the time. I managed to get each for less than $10. :D Unfortunately, the Maximo copy is just about roached...but I have free coupons for disc scrubbing at Game Crazy.

And finally, I loved The Suffering. Great game. And each time I kept finding the sequel, I would often put it down and get something else. NOT THIS TIME, BUCKO. :p And yes, it's quite awesome. Beyond that, I've pretty much neglected my DS and plan to make a return to SMT soon. That's about it.

lordlundar
01-17-2008, 04:16 PM
With MMX:CM, take final fantasy 10, put cell shading in, and that about covers it.

It is a very solid game, with a decent plot, but nothing that really sets itself apart from any other RPG. (but when you get Xs second hyper mode...:D)

I managed to snag a tough one last week. Ar Tonelico. A typical anime-ish RPG with a solid story. I just started it and I'm hooked. This is a perfect example of my fave type of game. Not the best looking thing in the world, but great story, well thought out characters and solid gameplay.

Geek King
01-17-2008, 05:07 PM
I managed to snag a tough one last week. Ar Tonelico. A typical anime-ish RPG with a solid story. I just started it and I'm hooked. This is a perfect example of my fave type of game. Not the best looking thing in the world, but great story, well thought out characters and solid gameplay.

I loved Ar Tonellico! You know, the sequal is due out soon... :D

In fact, just about anything that Atlus has translated for the US has been good. I've picked up more than one game just because it had their name on it.

I also keep waiting on Dark Cloud 3 to come out. I recommend Dark Cloud 2 (PS2) to anyone who likes action RPGs.

gunsage
01-17-2008, 05:08 PM
Yeah, Ar Tonelico's not bad. Have you gotten to diving in it yet? Also, if you like that one, you ought to give Gust's other titles a shot: Atelier Iris 1 - 3. I really liked the second AI, but the others are good too. BTW, you missed one thing with the CM...add bad loading algorithms. There you go. :p Seriously, ANYTIME you have to go into battle, it loads about as much as Xenosaga 2 does...which is a little much for RPGs IMO.

Ar Tonelico's not bad (there I go repeating myself), but it gets a little tedious because if you're really serious about diving, it's up to you to find all these little conversation points and such. It gets a little annoying because you'll often miss one and then be seriously hampered until you find enough to proceed further. Diving is very cool, though...it almost reminds me of a more involved version of Thousand Arms' dating minigames.

aniwahya
01-17-2008, 08:10 PM
Yaay a week where someone has a DDS icon and someone else mentions <3ing Betrayal at Krondor is a GOOD week imo.

EverQuest and Anarchy Online player here, though i'm thinking about switching back to FFXI, if I ever get time to play.

Otherwise I'm rotating between Vampire: The Masquerade and F.E.A.R. on the PC, and the Jak and Daxter games on ps2. My psp is getting the most use of any of my game machines though. Tales of Eternia is so worth importing ^^. Ooh, Pariah and Breakdown are quite alot of fun for Xbox gamers too. Lack of attention span is at least good for introducing variety into my gaming lifestyle!

Gravekeeper
01-18-2008, 05:45 AM
Yaay a week where someone has a DDS icon and someone else mentions <3ing Betrayal at Krondor is a GOOD week imo.

EverQuest and Anarchy Online player here, though i'm thinking about switching back to FFXI, if I ever get time to play.

Otherwise I'm rotating between Vampire: The Masquerade and F.E.A.R. on the PC, and the Jak and Daxter games on ps2. My psp is getting the most use of any of my game machines though. Tales of Eternia is so worth importing ^^. Ooh, Pariah and Breakdown are quite alot of fun for Xbox gamers too. Lack of attention span is at least good for introducing variety into my gaming lifestyle!

Finish Vampire a little while ago. They need more games like that. The Witcher was fantastic too for a real gritty, mature kind of rpg.

I tried EQ2 for a couple months....its really impressive for sheer content but its also really easy and no pvp. Well, there's PVP servers but the game just wasn't built with it in mind so its pretty meh. Still, it took them what? 2 years to make it a half decent game? Sony Online is like the touch of death when it comes to MMOs. ><

That and the character models are hideous. The alternates are ok. But still pretty bad. -.-

Final Fantasy Online I never really bothered with. It sounded way to grindy.

I'm stuck back in WoW again now. >< I had high hopes for Pirates of the Crimson Sea then I got into the beta. Ugh, awful game. Again, Sony Online's Touch of Death(tm). Find a promising mmo developer, scoop them up then force them to release the game 6-12 months before its actually done. ( *cough* Vanguard ).

Greenday
01-18-2008, 11:43 AM
Rainbow Six Las Vegas is AWESOME! It's not easy by any standard, and I've only played on normal mode, not realistic. Even playing with co-op is pretty sweet. Definitely a game worth picking up if you like shooting things and it takes some skill with tactics.

gunsage
01-18-2008, 12:52 PM
Working bottom up here...I had only played the original and didn't really like it much, but as I stated before, the original Splinter Cell was kinda also like that, but the further Clancy gets in his series, they seem to get better tenfold. I'll have to check it out. I also need to get back into Vampire as well. I only played it for a little while, but I liked what it was presenting. Betrayal at Krondor was an AWESOME game.

Too bad Antara and Return to Krondor didn't live up to it. That's a game I haven't played in a LOOOOONG time, but now I'll probably end up returning to it. :p Never tried Pariah, but Breakdown was kinda fun for the little time I played it. The nice part is both of those should be bargain bin'd, so I should be able to find them relatively easy. And now, here's my WTF for the bargain bin for the day...

Voodoo Vince - X Box

Really? Really? For a while, this game got kinda rare. It's not the best platformer ever, but it's pretty sarcastic and kinda reminds me of a "lighter" version of Conker's Bad Fur Day. Honestly, I'd love to see a sequel to that one, but then I'm not really quite sure what Rare's doing these days. Also, I don't think I caught this last time...there's supposed to be another Dark Cloud and Ar Tonelico?!

Man, it just keeps getting better and better! What I wonder is what system they'll come out for and what they'll update on them. Oh, and a final comment on FFX ripoffs...Lord of the Rings: The Third Age. Tried this one yet? Yeah, basically it's Lord of the Rings minus any relevant characters from the story plus FFX battles. It's not a bad game actually, if a bit tedious. I really ought to return to that one soon too.

aniwahya
01-18-2008, 11:47 PM
0_o Gravekeeper quoted me /swoon
/fangirl off

<coughs>

Hmm I still need to play Rainbow Six Vegas; Rainbow Six Three was awesome. Speaking of games that need sequels, how about a sequel to Legend of Dragoon, Primal, Chrono Cross, and Shinobi (Nightshade is fun but NOT the same as a true Shinobi sequel).

I want to play The Witcher but I don't think my comp can handle it (AMD Athlon 3200+, GeForce 6800xe 1gig of RAM), Bioshock is another game I want to play but I'm not sure i'd be able to play it smoothly. Which reminds me i need to download a demo for it. Damn attention span pwning me again. -.-

Bargin bin games are <3. I've given up on renting games and just buy them from bargin bins now. The only downside is having a growing pile of games I still need to play/finish. I'm not even close to ready for a ps3 because of all the great games I'm finding for $5 - 10$.

WoW makes me nostalgic for Warcraft and Warcraft II, neither of which would play on my comp last time I installed them. ><

Heh, is anyone else annoyed that game consoles are moving away from backwards compatibility? Take the XBOX360 for example, I've already paid for my Xbox games, wth should I have to pay a fee to play a game I already own?

Edit: I just got a copy of Ratchet and Clank and it is insanely fun. Awesomeness in a box I tell ye! Check it out if you like platformers.

I hath found my true love and thy name is "Suck Cannon". <3

Chanlin
01-19-2008, 04:13 AM
Fans of the series have been itching for a good sequel to Crono Trigger for a long time. Many many many fans HATED Crono Cross, myself included. The game had a decent story but the elements that made Crono Trigger a really good hit were just gone from Cross.

Other titles I have not mentioned. I'm a huge fan of the Ace Attorney series for the DS.

The Longest Journey 1 and 2 for the PC and Still Life are both very good if your into puzzle games.

For PS2 I really enjoyed Ico. As simple as it was the game was kind of emotionally involving and had some wicked hard puzzles to work through.

How could I not mention the Metroid series. Even with Prime 3 being incredibly easy (I beat it on hard on my first play through).

Zone of the Enders 1 and 2. These are really decent titles but did not quite get the folowing that some of the other Hideo Kojima games did. Speaking of which the Solar Boy(the games that use the solar sensor) series for the GBA and DS rock.

Pretty much anything by NIS (Disgea, Phanto Brave, La Pucelle) is worth checking out also.

If your into horror survival type games Fatal Frame is really worth checking out. If you don't like ghosts and spirits and such this game is not for you. To its credit this is the one survival horror game that scared the ever living sh** out of me.

I'm wracking my brain for other sleeper titles but I can't think of any more :) This post was mostly spawned by the need to comment on Crono Cross :p

aniwahya
01-19-2008, 04:50 AM
lol I separate Chrono Cross from Chrono Trigger in my head because they're really nothing alike. I think they both need sequels though. But while I would petition for a Chrono Cross sequel a Chrono Trigger sequel would tempt me to do much, much darker things.

*Edit I apologize if my lurking is monopolizing. I'm just so excited to be able to talk games.
<-- A girl living in a "little big town" >< in northern Illinois. All my friends live far far away and people I socialize either don't admit to gaming or actively burn gamers at the stake. ><

Gravekeeper
01-19-2008, 05:43 AM
Yeah, Trigger and Cross were nothing alike. But I'd take a sequel to Trigger over Cross in a heartbeat. I could enjoy Cross as long as I took it as separate to Trigger.

0_o Gravekeeper quoted me /swoon
/fangirl off

and again! ;p

I want to play The Witcher but I don't think my comp can handle it (AMD Athlon 3200+, GeForce 6800xe 1gig of RAM), Bioshock is another game I want to play but I'm not sure i'd be able to play it smoothly.

Bargin bin games are <3. I've given up on renting games and just buy them from bargin bins now. The only downside is having a growing pile of games I still need to play/finish. I'm not even close to ready for a ps3 because of all the great games I'm finding for $5 - 10$.

Yeah, the Witcher is a beast for resources. It'll sit and suck about 1.2-1.7 gig of ram when its running. Bioshock was easier on the system. Both are really must plays though. You should be able to handle Bioshock on that rig. But the Witcher will lust for more ram. I could run Bioshock on my old box which was a puny 1.7ghz, 1gig with a pitiful old Geforce. But I could only squeeze out 15-20fps. Thus I refused to buy the game till I bought my new machine. I wanted to experience it in its full glory. ;p

To be honest I buy 98% of my games off of Steam and Direct2drive.com now. Its cheaper and saves me having to go wade through the idiots at the mall. Plus they often put up older games you'd never find anywhere else like the aforementioned Longest Journey 1 & 2.

I keep finding older gaming goodness on D2D.com for $10-20 a pop like Vampire: The Masquerade.



If your into horror survival type games Fatal Frame is really worth checking out. If you don't like ghosts and spirits and such this game is not for you. To its credit this is the one survival horror game that scared the ever living sh** out of me.

The next Fatal Frame is going to the Wii. ^^


But right now I am desperately waiting for Advance Wars: Days of Ruin. 2 more days! ;9

lordlundar
01-19-2008, 11:59 AM
I'm wracking my brain for other sleeper titles but I can't think of any more :) This post was mostly spawned by the need to comment on Crono Cross :p

If you like good story, the Legacy of Kain series has one of the best (just don't get Blood Omen 2 <shudders>)

gunsage
01-19-2008, 12:29 PM
Hoo boy...working from the bottom again. :p Legacy of Kain was awesome, but so was the original Blood Omen. Kinda reminded me of Zelda, but as more of an antagonist than anything. I appreciated what Cross was trying to do, but they did it wrong. I really didn't understand all the different setup as far as the abilities and such. Surprisingly, CT was simple enough in that design along with the combo techs and everything that it just WORKED. Even if the story hadn't been all that great, the concept would've still dragged people in.

Chrono Cross had an awesome story, but it was one of those games you had to force yourself to play. Here's a list of things I either "didn't get" or just flat out hated from Chrono Cross, and I'm sure you'll all agree:

- No true levelling up. Oh sure, every so often a stat or two might increase, but often randomly and seemingly only a few here and there while in a particular dungeon, meaning there was no purpose to grinding. This reminded me of the grinding involved in Final Fantasy Legend 2, but at least there it didn't stop and wasn't limited to dungeons.
- Final Fantasy 8 style equipment upgrading. Come on! That was one of the things I absolutely LOATHED about FF8. And really, it would've been one thing if you needed a LOT of materials but you got some every battle...nope, they seemed more rare than anything like, oh I don't know, FINAL FANTASY 8 WAS.
- Skill setup. Nuff said. Didn't get it and often went for automatic. It was just too confusing. Some will argue that added an element of strategy, but I say it was more like Squaresoft dicking with us.
- Only seemed to be two time zones. Granted, I never got that far in it, so maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems like you only have the two time zones. That's crap. In CT, there were enough time zones, each quite unique, that it offered LOTS of gameplay, bonuses, endings, etc.
- Hard as hell to emulate. Yes, this is to all the emu fans out there...how the hell do you set up the options to emulate it properly? It never keeps a steady framerate in battle. I don't think I've sold my PS1 copy yet, but I don't want to go and sell it and never be able to emulate it properly.

That said, Chrono Trigger is an excellent game, (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2105) rivaling even that of Final Fantasy 6 and 7 in my opinion. By the by, you've got better specs than I do on my PC, so I'll let you know whether it works on mine or not. I was deeply saddened when games like Oblivion and Condemned didn't work on my comp, so here's me crossing my fingers!

Longest Journey and Dreamfall (LJ2 for those that didn't know) are very good games, but the puzzles can be very HARD. Definitely recommended if you're a diehard adventure fan though and while we're at it...

- Monkey Island series (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2220)
- Grim Fandango
- Full Throttle
- Return to Zork (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2171)
- King's (http://www.agdinteractive.com/KQ1.php) Quest (http://www.agdinteractive.com/KQ2.php) Remakes (http://www.infamous-adventures.com/kq3/)
- Quest for Glory series

Oh sure, there are more, but definitely check these out if you haven't already. I wholly endorse Fatal Frame as well. I only have 2 & 3 right now, but I have plans to get the original and I'm glad to see the series will be continuing. :D Advance Wars is also very cool, but I wish there was more of an RPG aspect to it, given it's by Intelligent Systems who also assisted with Paper Mario (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2178) and Fire Emblem.

Well, I think this comment's long enough! But hey, here's a sleeper title you most likely haven't heard of: Juggernaut - PS1. In this beauty, it's kinda like Myst, except you're trapped in a demon world of sorts to save your girlfriend who's under control of a demon by going through this weird ass mansion. Yeah, the story's very odd, but it's actually a pretty interesting (and very cheap) little title for the PS1 that kinda reminds me of D.

Gravekeeper
01-19-2008, 12:35 PM
You missed:

3792 playable characters. Each with approximately 2 lines worth of back story and / or personality. -.-


I have Sam & Max Hit The Road running on my DS right now. Its fantastiawesome.

Someone wrote a DS homebrew emulator that runs all the old Lucas Arts games ( Sam & Max, Kings Quest series, Monkey Island series, Day of the Tentacle, etc ). All you need is the original game files:

http://scummvm.drunkencoders.com/

Of course you need to be an uber nerd like me and actually have development hardware for your DS that lets you boot code off an SD Flash card....but still! Fantastiawesome.

gunsage
01-19-2008, 12:48 PM
Yeah, I heard about that, but most older Lucasarts titles I've already beaten anyway. :D Sam & Max is VERY awesome, however, and currently I'm working on the new ones. So far I've beaten...

- Culture Shock
- The Mob, The Mole, and The Meatball
- Most of Reality 2.0

Fun stuff...kinda little bit size adventure games. Plus, they still have the charm and wit of the original Sam & Max game, so there you have it. And yeah, I thought it was also annoying how very little the actual characters were developed in the game, primarily focusing around your main character and Kid...the most annoying thief ever right next to Yuffie.

Speaking of an abundance of characters, have you tried Radiata Stories (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2193) yet? I don't really like how the battle system is set up, but the story's awesome, the sheer amount of recruitables and how you recruit them is awesome, day/night with plot progression is awesome...I mean, really, it's best played with a strategy guide because of all the stuff you can do!

And yes, I shouldn't leave out the Suikoden series in that respect. Honestly, I haven't tried Suikoden Tactics, but I've thoroughly enjoyed all the other Suikoden games...yes, even number 4. By the way, on the topic of the SCUMM engine, there is one game I got emu'd for the PC that I'd never beaten: Flight of the Amazon Queen. Fun stuff.

Gravekeeper
01-19-2008, 01:08 PM
Sam & Max <3. I even have full voice working. Just need to run a small command line utility to covert the original sound file to mp3 and viola.

I'm not a fan of games with immensely huge casts of characters for exactly the reason I just mentioned. Quantity over quality sucks ass. The only game I've ever played that beat that hurdle was the Fire Emblem series.

Ah yes...Yuffie. I had blocked that out. Hell, I blocked out most of FF7 to be honest. Then even more of 8. I gave up on the series after 8 to be honest. Squaresoft has been sucking pretty harsh.

I want another Xenogears. Not a Xenosaga. A Xenogears dammit.

I still slather for the FF2 ( 2 by the US titles. The one with Cecil ) remake on the DS. It's god damn awesome but I couldn't get too far since its in Japanese. So I have to wait for the localization. I just hope they don't screw it over with a terrible English dub. All the major scenes are fully voice acted and the voice acting is awesome in the Japanese version.

I near weeped fanboi tears when I hit start and the red wing theme started playing... -.-

gunsage
01-19-2008, 05:33 PM
Well, it is true that often with a wider cast, it feels like it's dominated by extras more than anything. The primary reason I like Radiata Stories, though, is that it's more of a fetishy collection-type deal. There's another game that had a lot of characters but didn't manage to sweep them under the rug too badly: Final Fantasy 6. If I recall, weren't there about 20 characters including the bonus characters?

Personally, I really enjoyed FF7, but I acknowledge that it's also probably the worst of the series. How, you ask? Well, think about it...it's THE highest grossing FF ever and has been heralded as the best FF by so many people...which has led to CRAPPY sequels, a CRAPPY movie, NONSENSICAL involvement in the Kingdom Hearts series, UNNECESSARY cameo appearances in such titles as Final Fantasy Tactics...to put it bluntly, Square milks that puppy for all it's worth.

And why not? Capcom has attempted it many a time to the point that there may never be a good Megaman game ever again and I'm starting to lose faith in what could otherwise normally be a great game: Street Fighter 4. I loved FF7. I'd love to see it brought to portable, too. But come on...enough of the sequels and fanboy BS.

That said, 8 was okay. It had a nice story, awesome movies, good length, etc., but they tried to add too many concepts that just didn't work well. Final Fantasy 9 was pretty bad ass because of how you developed abilities, which was later ported to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Final Fantasy 10 was cool, too, but maybe a little too straightforward. It felt highly mission-based, and FFX-2 put the final nail in the coffin on that one. Ugh. Two things I would have to compliment FFX-2 on are ability development and battle innovation. AND THAT'S IT...NOTHING MORE.

Never played FF11, but then, I'm not much of a MMORPG person. I really like FF12, but there's SO MUCH stuff that it's a little overwhelming. Well, that and it also kinda feels like a MMORPG, but still. It's actually pretty fun and if you're a veteran of the series, you can really get a lot out of it. For example, you have the ever-revised FF theme...then a FF12 theme that sounds like something straight out of FFT...and then...THE RED WING THEME FROM FF4 right on the title screen! Good stuff. :D

Honestly, Xenogears could/should be remade for the PSP. I mean, after all, Valkyrie Profile was, there are plans for Star Ocean Second Story and even the original Star Ocean, so why not? Ah but here's one I'm finally glad happened that not a whole lot of people have been talking about, probably because it's very grind-intensive: Front Mission. Love that game. :D

aniwahya
01-20-2008, 12:46 AM
Legacy of Kain series needs more sequels, they can't end it with defiance ><.
For that matter they should make Thief and Deus Ex sequels before they even THINK about making another Lara Croft game .-.-

Radiata Stories was a lot of fun. If you guys like games that have a darker sense of humor try Shadow Hearts (the first one is the best imo). Drakengard is also interesting (the story is great, if twisted, but the gameplay gets old fast). Also fun (and twisted) is Messiah for PC.

Chrono Cross was really just off the top of my head. =p

I'd also like to see an Oni sequel. Did I mention a Shinobi sequel? That game is awesome<3. THey need to make Bloodrayne 3 too. You can't just tease people with post-apocalyptic vampire futures! Oh! I can't believe I forgot Drakan.

Zone of Enders is awesomely fun, but too short.

I wish Legend of Legaia and Jade Cocoon would have had worthy sequels.

Also, why can we not get a Secret of Evermore sequel/remake (why not both?)? Or Kid Icarus?

I do think games with heavy storyline content do benefit from having less main characters because you are able to focus and "bond" more with the characters.

Xenosaga 1+3 were alot of fun, but I'd love a new Xenogears. Hell just tweak it and stick it on the PSP and i'll buy it again. A new Brave Fencer Musashi for psp would be most excellent as well.

I want a ps3 just to be able to put ps1 games on my psp. >< Soon I shall be able to work and then my plans of game conquest shall be of use yet again.

ShetenshiSenshi
01-20-2008, 08:13 PM
I'm mostly a FPS player, mainly Xbox games such as Painkiller, the Halo series ( No 360, since I don't have the third one yet), Doom 3 since my PC can't run it, Serious Sam, and Black. I've also been playing Ninja Gaiden Black.

I also have a DS Lite, but use it to run homebrew ports of Doom, Quake, Hexen, Heretic, Rise of the Triads, Descent, and Duke Nukem 3D. I've also been playing some Metroid Prime Hunters online the last few days.

gunsage
01-21-2008, 05:58 PM
Yes, I'm going to work from the bottom up...

BUT FIRST...!

I finally figured out what the hell I was doing on Unlimited SaGa. "Unlimited" is a very ironic title, because even though it seems that there's a lot to do, you're VERY limited in upgrades, development, etc. How so? For those that haven't played this, not all of your characters can do...well...everything. Now, while this would normally make sense, they still try to make the characters classless (Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 12, etc.) and yet...unique. Okay, for example, the character I'm playing as now is a carrier, meaning he can accept carrier missions.

Most characters have little differences like this here and there, but mostly it's just the story that changes. That said, it's not that it's a bad game per se, but quite repetitive, a little boring, and very...random. Let's put it this way...having to select your attacks, actions, etc. on a ring is kind of annoying. There's a fairly decent amount of strategy, but throw in enough random crap like that and it dumbs down the game. Not a bad title, but you really have to go into it already liking the SaGa series to get anything out of it.

Next, I started playing Lord of the Rings: Third Age again. Fun stuff. Not that big of a LOTR fan, but it's still a fun RPG with plenty to do. NOW, back to responses. :p I haven't tried Serious Sam yet, nor am I much of a Halo fan, but the others are quite nice. BTW, what are the main differences between Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden Black? I had the original for a while, but then had to sell it. Yeah...gas vs. videogames always ends the same. :cry:

Oni was pretty badass, but I don't see Bungie returning to any of their previous games because of such fanboy-age with Halo. This is yet another reason I'm not a big fan of Halo. The Myth games were quite fun and while I think the shooting concepts needed tuned up in it, Oni was a VERY cool action game. LOVE SHADOW HEARTS BTW! I have all three in fact. Personally, I like the second the best. I love the first, but the sheer amount of stuff that was enhanced on the second makes it a definite hit.

The third could've been a lot better. I really liked the environments, battles, etc., but the characters didn't seem the have the same appeal. Frank was still cool, but...yeah. I guess it was also the fact that the main character got annoying QUICK. Never tried the Legaia sequel, but I really like the JC sequel. The only gripe I have about it is your main character can't attack AT ALL. The throw-in tactics make it worth it, but still.

And now, because of the sheer amount of others...here goes...

Thief - I can only get the first and third working on my PC. Weird, huh? The second doesn't work on my PC. I really enjoyed the first, but for some reason didn't get into the third that much.

Lara Croft Games - The first and second TRs were awesome, hands down. The third was a little disappointing and while the fourth was a little better, the fifth was crap. Didn't bother trying the sixth, but the seventh was BAD ASS.

Shinobi - Still haven't tried that one and kind of intimidated to. I heard Ninja Gaiden was hard, and it is. I also heard this one was VERY hard. Not sure if that's right or not, but I remember the arcade game being tough (and yes I have it on MAME), so most probably.

Secret of Evermore (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2183) - I won't warrant this with a comment. Check the link if you're interested.

Zone of Enders - Ditto, but haven't tried the second.

Bloodrayne - Tried the first, but didn't really like the clunky physics. Maybe the second's better. The audio also had a horrible time syncing up on the first one, which caused me even more grief.

Drakan/Drakengard - Haven't tried them. And that's about it.

Whew...and finally, you're right about Kid Icarus. They had a GB version, but it wasn't all that great. Now that Pit's starring in Smash Bros., who knows? Maybe he will get another sequel.

Kara
01-21-2008, 08:46 PM
Chrono Cross had an awesome story

Except for the part where it took anything and everything we loved about Chrono Trigger, spit on it, threw it on the ground, stomped it into the mud, set it on fire, pissed on the ashes, and gave those ashes to Keith Richards to snort like cocaine.

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Is the sheer amount of raw hate I feel towards Chrono Cross evident, or need I elaborate more?

Chanlin
01-21-2008, 09:52 PM
Thief - I can only get the first and third working on my PC. Weird, huh? The second doesn't work on my PC. I really enjoyed the first, but for some reason didn't get into the third that much.

Bloodrayne - Tried the first, but didn't really like the clunky physics. Maybe the second's better. The audio also had a horrible time syncing up on the first one, which caused me even more grief.


I really enjoyed all of the Thief games.

Bloodrayne 1 was decent, way out there story line which made little to no sense at some points and was completely random. Some of the humorous dialog made it worth it, but overall it was just wayyyyyy too hard at some points and the.

Bloodrayne 2 made up for this somewhat, but again there were points where it was way too hard, and IMO the guns were just useless. Still its a great set of games if your looking for that extreme gore factor.

Gunsage your Evermore review is spot on as well.

Radiata Stories I really liked. The story kept me hooked despite the horrid combat system.

I know they have mentioned, but I have to say I'm a fan of nearly all things Mega Man except for the battle network games, and Mega Man 8 and X8 were just terrible.

Another game that is worth mentioning is Terranigma. This was one game that sucked me in from the moment I started. The story line is very good, the music very much fits the moments and overall I could play it again and again. I would put this up on the same level as Chrono Trigger in some regards.

As for the Final Fantasy series I agree that 8 was a huge blot on Squares record. But I think 10 and 12 have more than remedied said blot.

Chanlin
01-22-2008, 03:59 AM
I remembered a few titles that I have not mentioned :)

Y's - great series of action RPG's.

Dragonview - Another very good action RPG.

Okage: The Shadow King - This RPG was brilliantly hilarious and had some rather amusing characters. The gameplay was a bit clunky but the humor and story more than made up for it.

Winback - For some reason despite the horrid story I really liked the arcade style feel of this game.

Crimson Sea: 1 and 2 - This game was a great title. The stories were a bit out there but the fast paced shooting and sword combo action was just plain intense.

Body Harvest - Probably some of the worst graphics ever to come out of the N64, but the story line and the intense battles were over the top. This game had some really pulse pounding moments and had enough lulls in the action where exploring was alot of fun. The only major downside is it was not always clear what your next objective should be and once you made it to the 4th area (I think 1964) the game was nigh on impossible to complete because you literally get swarmed not only by the insectoid aliens but by waves of Zombies with almost no rest or down time.

Dragon Quarter (AKA Breath of Fire 5) - I really loved the way the pulled this game off. The replay value alone was awesome and the story really sucked me in from the get go. I really hated 4 because the change to the dragon transformation, but even though the same transformation in 5 the story and the innovative combat system really made the game. Plus the whole save system and having to start over repeatedly really added a whole different aspect to the game. One would expect restarting again and again to be tedious, but the fact that you get slightly more storyline each time is what really made the game.

Lost Kingdoms 1 and 2 - 1 was really clunky but had a decent story line to it. 2 I think really imrpoved on an already good game. The story was a bit lacking overall in both games, but again the combat system really made the games.

Geist - Again a fairly innovative game in that you are a disembodied Ghost spirit trying to get back to your own body. The story line in this is awesome and the boss fights are quite interesting when you have to pay attention to what you can possess.

gunsage
01-22-2008, 12:26 PM
Heeeeeere we go...

BUT FIRST YET AGAIN!...!!!....? :p

I recently got Visual Pinball working. Good stuff. It's pinball emulation, folks. Yes, it's great...when it works. Very hit or miss, but still very fun, nonetheless.

NOW THEN...!...~

Ys was AWESOME. Here's the irony part...I played Ys 3 first for the SNES. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2145) The ironic part about that is it seems the be the one that everyone hates, but I'd love to see a GOOD remake of it. In fact, I had plans to do an unofficial remake of it, but I lack the development tools necessary...well, that and the motivation. :p

Dragonview (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2169) was also a pretty bad ass game, but I never got very far in it. Drakkhen not so much, but Dragonview (it's sequel) is pretty great. Haven't tried the Lost Kingdoms, Crimson Sea 2, or Geist, but the others were pretty cool. By the way, did you try Megaman Legends 1 & 2? Good stuff, that. And I'm not saying FF8 was horrible, but well...it could've been better. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2241)

By the way, Chrono Cross wasn't meant to be a sequel to Chrono Trigger, but rather, Radical Dreamer. RD was, well...basically a text style adventure. More of an interactive fiction than anything. And yes, it was for the Super Famicom. I've tried it and I didn't really like it all that much. I would still like to see a sequel done to Chrono Trigger and really, they've got enough to work with that it could be done. Hopefully it won't turn into a revisit of Valkyrie Profile 2, but I think it'd be worth it to try at least.

All this said, I have the next days off (Thursday's an in lieu of day because I worked MLK, though I feel that's not necessary). I plan on buffing out Maximo, Virtua Fighter 4, and Wizardry before returning home. What I'm really wondering is what I should concentrate on for that time off. I may continue on LOTR, but I'm not sure.

And it looks like there's one I missed. Yes, Terranigma's (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2231) VERY cool, but I crapped out on the last boss. Ah well. By the way, regarding Winback, which I also enjoyed because it reminded me of Time Crisis at the time but as an adventure, ever tried the sequel? I haven't and mostly because I've heard NOTHING positive about it.

gunsage
01-25-2008, 03:19 PM
Wow...I'm surprised this got pushed back as far as it did, but anyway. I did something...interesting on my days off. I went and started back up Dragonquest 8. Yeah...I hadn't played it in such a long time that even though I was fairly well into it (just after the abbott incident and somewhere around Yangus' hometown), I decided to just start over. If you haven't tried it, let me tell you...it's phenomenally great. Very old school and yet, a lot of excellent newer elements a la Level 5.

Besides that, it's not rare, so it's actually easy to come across and cheap. Now the guide, I'm not so sure, but I have both, so I don't care. :p And yes, you might want the guide for all the little collectibles, alchemy pot recipes, etc. This is one of those games where you really don't want to sell much of anything because you may end up using it later. Yeah...one of THOSE. On top of this, I made a little bit of progress with LOTR, some more progress on Rune Factory, and contemplated returning to Shadow Hearts...but didn't.

The only thing I hate about how many games I own is making a decision on what to play. For example, there are so many games that I'm either right at the end or very close that it's ridiculous and I should just up and beat them, but for whatever reason, I'm not interested. In fact, here's just off the top of my head...

- Front Mission 4. I don't know exactly how long the game is, but I'm pretty sure I'm within the last few missions.
- Kingdom Hearts 2. Beat the first one and I'm right at the last boss fight on the second...but I really hate the final parts of that fight and I've been completely unmotivated to try it again.
- Arc the Lad: Twilight of Spirits. I'm almost certain I'm right at the last area...but I have no idea how long it is, I know I've missed stuff in the game, and ultimately, I'm debating going back and getting it (restarting), but I'm not sure what I want to do.

Granted, that's not a lot of examples, but it shows you my general mindset with different games in general. It doesn't help that I'm highly indecisive. In any case, I'm wondering if I should do what I had been doing...keeping out one game per system and concentrating ONLY on those. I was actually able to make pretty good progress like that, but I stopped doing it for whatever reason (probably because I had either rented stuff or bought stuff and decided to end it).

Does this happen to anyone else? How do you keep yourself motivated to finish something?

drunkenwildmage
01-26-2008, 06:40 PM
Ok.. A little late on the thread, but I'll throw my stuff in to. :cool:

I havn't games in a while, but when I did


Table top

Played

AD&D (2nd mostly, a little bit of third)
Battlelords
Shadowrun
Heros unlimited
Played in a traveler campaign that lasted all of 30 mins.
nightlife
Warewolf/Vampire
Battletech

Ran

Deadlands
Battlelords
Tales from the floating vagabond

Since then, the group went down from twice a week, to now, once every couple weeks or so, and I havn't had the time to get over there.



I have an 1st gen X-box, but don't play much on it... Maddan 07 from time to time, but that's about it

PC

Mostly RTS games

Age of Empires
Empire Earth
Roalroad Tycoon 2

And a EXTREMELY Modified version of NASCAR racing 2003

gunsage
01-28-2008, 01:16 PM
"Extremely modified" how? I hate Nascar, but I'm still interested because of the description. :p Over the weekend I put in 15 hours on Dragonquest 8. Here's the strange part...I'm just about to where I was previously. I think that's primarily because I'm using the guide more liberally as far as what I can or can't/shouldn't sell, how to effectively distribute skill points, etc. Unfortunately, I still have problems with enemies that have completely unbalanced attacks.

Unbalanced how? Well, for example, there's a deritive of hammerhoods (hammerfaces or something) that will often go into super high tension in one turn. So, the basic tactic is to try to wipe him out quick before his next turn comes around. Yes, that's wonderful, unless a number of your allies get cursed, put to sleep, etc. and he up and takes out one of your characters (often Jessica) while your characters corndog about. GRAAAARRR!!

It especially infuriates me because these enemies aren't that hard, actually, but just plain bad luck, not tactics, will often net them an unfair advantage the likes of which would cause aneurisms to any Vegas gambler. Beyond that, over the course of Saturday alone, I managed to pave my way into the first summer on Rune Factory with the first cave almost completely full of spring stuffs, just about completely plowing through the second caves "fields" and all monster huts with about four of them full.

I'll say it again...if you like Harvest Moon, there's a VERY good chance you'll like Rune Factory. And in more annoying news, I made a sale on Amazon. Why's that annoying? Well, in my rush to get out the door this morning, I remembered the game, my food, my supplements, my granola stuffs, pop...but not the money necessary for shipping. DAMMIT!!

The worst part is I sold this one for $40, so I want to get it out quick so as to keep my feedback high. Ugh. That's about it for me. But yes, I'm interested in hearing the modified how of the Nascar game.

lordlundar
01-28-2008, 02:23 PM
yeah, the Dragon Quest series never was known for being easy (heck, they're known for the very same reasons that you mentioned) but still one of the best out there for old school RPG goodness.:D

gunsage
01-28-2008, 03:23 PM
Yeah, definitely. Of course, one of the reasons I love it is because yet another oldschool concept...dying = half GP. A lot of "modern" RPGs are harsh in this to make up for their lack of difficulty. Harsh how? Harsh in that you die, IT'S OVER. You get to continue at your last save point. Now, true, most of those have save points right before bosses, multiple save points per dungeon, able to save on overworld map, etc. And that's where DQ8 is also oldschool in a very old, cheap way...absolute lack of save points, heavy emphasis on grinding, can only view exp to level up at churches, no auto-battle...you get the idea.

I mean, sure, it's not that big of a deal if you're an oldschool RPG fanatic, but newer gamers may be turned off by it, even with the flashy graphics and awesome story. In any case, I enjoy it, so ya'll can go blow goats. :lol:

Chanlin
01-28-2008, 08:40 PM
MMM Old school RPG's

Speaking of I really liked some lesser spoken of titles

7th Saga

Dual Orb 2

Most if not all of the Tales series esp Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Symphonia.

DQ8 is actually the only out of the DQ games I've played and it was so so for me. My only complaint is that it seemed extremely slow at times. But it was otherwise well done.

And I know they have been mentioned many times, but I use these as an example. I recently picked up the Ace Attorney games again (IE Phoenix Wright) and started playing back through them in anticipation of the new one coming in February and I have to say what I think I like most about these games, aside from the challenge of solving the mysteries they present, is that the Games did a good job of using music to set the mood of the scenes. I still remember the first time I played the first one and got to hear the first cornered theme and how exciting it made the moment.

I still get the same type of chills/excitement every time I play through Crono Trigger and Crono steps into the teleporter to go and rescue Marle, or when you first see the destruction that Lavos reigns down on the world and you decide that against all odds you are going to do something about it (those that have played the game should know what I mean) These are really the defining moments of games.

For a long time I've considered making a blog about these moments and writing up reviews/articles of games that really make this feeling happen. I just don't get to game as much any more between work and school :)

Anyway I like to call these Kill Shot moments (mostly because they happen during victorious or heroic moments when you have just done something spectacularly difficult) but they are not always "Kill Shots" so to speak.

So heres a good question for those who follow the thread. What moment sticks out for you as really defining or exciting moments in a game?

lordlundar
01-29-2008, 03:30 PM
My big two "Kill Shot" moments:

KH2: The final action in the final fight. When it pans around and you're going "Oh ****!" Then the frantic button pressing to end it.

Zone of the Enders 2: I had two moments. One was the second last boss fight. The camera was arranged in just the right position where it was over the boss' shoulder as my final strike right across the boss' face. One of those "My kingdom for a screencap option!"

The other is the final fight. It's pretty much popping around so the fight is confusing at best. Delivering the final blow in the fight itself is absolutely a blast.

gunsage
01-29-2008, 04:33 PM
Here we go. I loved 7th Saga, but never got very far in it. If I remember correctly, I maybe got one rune and the world map and that's about it. It was fun, but VERY repetitive. I like the concept of it, though, and the fact that while the plot itself doesn't stray too much per character, the development, friends/enemies, etc. does. Fun stuff. Never tried the first Dual Orb, but did the second. Didn't like it very much because of how ridiculously hard it is.

Tales is awesome, but I was a bit disappointed with the latest ones. I think my favorites are the Destiny ones...simple and done very well. PW is awesome and I'm looking forward to the next one. Can't remember when it's due out, but I'll be waiting in anticipation. If I had to list kill shots, it'd be a little difficult, but I'll certainly try...

- The first time I beat Resident Evil 2. I mean, come on, it's you, him, and whatever you may have salvaged at the end. And if I remember correctly, aren't you also being timed?

- The same thing could be said for any Metroid game, really. You don't often have a save point right before the final boss...and then you typically have a mad dash to the surface, your ship, or whatever and, of course, are timed.

- Castlevania 4. If I remember correctly, you have to fight a few bosses in a row...THEN Dracula. Nice. Fortunately, I believe there are checkpoints between each, but still VERY tough.

- Final Fantasy 1. You know, I can't even remember the ending because it was that crappy and not worth it. However, the entire Chaos Temple and finally leading up to Chaos? The ending could've been a midget licking his own asshole and it wouldn't have mattered because it was just the fact that you FINALLY BEAT IT. And yes, the same could be said for MOST other FFs.

- Beating just about any boss on the new Ninja Gaiden game. Ugh.

Concerning DQ8, I enjoyed the original DQ, never really played/got into 2-4, 5 is okay, 6 is pretty cool, 7 was kinda lame...8 was just badass. Now granted, it can be a bit slow, but that's primarily because of how long it takes to get everywhere, how grinding intensive it is, etc. Again, I think it's more for oldschool fanatics than anything and if you never played any previous DQs, I'm not surprised with the fact that you thought it was slow. The original DQ? Yeah, THAT'S slow. :p

And further concerning DQ8, I'm at the emo king's place. :p And yes, this is when I yet again complain about the lack of savepoints (working on getting to wisher's peak at dark). Ugh.

gunsage
01-31-2008, 01:02 PM
Still DQ8ing away. I think I knocked out about 5 hours yesterday. The best part is since it's bright, flashy, and cartoony, my daughter LOVES it. In fact, I think it'd be fun to start a list of games that kids are interested in watching. Now remember, my daughter is less than two, so obviously it's flashy stuff and cartoony stuff that she enjoys. Anything that appears to be "too adult" (too much talking, too much drama, lots of text, etc.), she gets very bored with to the point of being fussy and just wanting to watch her cartoons instead. So far, here's what I've learned I can get away with...

- Okami (http://projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2282)
- Dragonquest 8
- Pretty much anything for the N64 (most of the games were relatively colorful and same thing applies with GC titles)

Okay so I guess I can't think of that many off the top of my head after all. :p But hey, it's win win. She normally watches a pretty decent amount of kids' shows anyway (Doodlebops, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Handy Manny, etc.), so I just substitute with something she'll actually watch AND I get to play a game at the same time while also having her in my direct line of sight! And you might say "Ah but you could just let her watch what she wanted and play on the computer."

No, not exactly. Not if I wanted to keep her in my line of sight, anyway. Really, that's the most important thing. There are times where she's being so good I can nap on the couch while she watches TV and there are times where she's energetic enough that I could never get away with that and often have to make up stuff to do with her. It's not that it's not fun, it's just that personally, on my days off, I'd rather chill and relax. Sure, I'd love to go to Gameworks, too, but she's just not old enough for me to not have to push her around in a stroller there. I'm thinking maybe once she's 5 it'll be better for places like that.

Anyway, since we've been talking about more oldschool titles lately, I'd like to recommend a few deliberately obscure ones. Warning...shameless plugs ahead. :p

- Brandish (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2298)
- Parasite Eve 1 & 2 (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2273)
- Final (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2241) Fantasy (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2174) stuffs
- Front Mission (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2223) and Gun Hazard
- Monkey Island 1 - 3 ONLY (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2220)
- Breath of Fire 2 - 4 ONLY (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2195)

I think that's good enough for now. You get the idea. :p

Shangri-laschild
01-31-2008, 03:01 PM
Yay! My best friend just finished my new computer and so I can now play NWN2! Can't tell you how long I've been waiting for a decent enough computer for this.

gunsage
01-31-2008, 05:37 PM
How is Neverwinter Nights, anyway? I never got on that bandwagon, but I've heard good things.

Shangri-laschild
01-31-2008, 06:09 PM
Dear god amazing. I don't like online games where I have to work with other people because I like to be able to do my own thing more than I can on an online game. It's really good. There are so many options and it's got a great storyline and graffics.

Chanlin
01-31-2008, 06:42 PM
My only rant with the Original NWN, and I'm gonna add D & D online (DDO) sort of separately here is that even with all of the options there are some parts that just did not translate well.

I unfortunately can't put into words what it is that bothers me about NWN so much, but being a hard core tabletop RPG fan I just couldn't really get into NWN.

As for DDO I can be a bit more specific. I have to say they did a very very good job with DDO in terms of areas, traps, etc. What bothered me the most is playing with other people, which eventually becomes needed. What I ran into trying to play a Rogue (my favorite class) is that I was really only needed for my ability to remove traps. I didn't have to search for them because the people I was with had already beaten the quest we were on and knew where all the traps and secret areas were so they did not need my ability to scout ahead or find the traps and secrets. And some of them would even just plow through the traps that weren't so bad and just get healed afterward. In other words my character was useless, and again there was no real D&D feel which boiled the game back to a glorified version of Diablo in my mind. Not to say Diablo is a bad game, but its not what I wanted out of DDO.

I will say I did have a lot of fun playing through the provided story line in NWN with a buddy of mine, it was essentially Diablo, just different story and more in depth character abilities.

gunsage
02-01-2008, 05:07 PM
Speaking of D&D, did anyone ever try Dungeons & Dragons Tactics for the PSP? I thought it looked kinda interesting and really enjoyed Metal Gear Acid 1 & 2, but I don't bring the PSP to work right now, so I never bothered grabbing that one. And while we're on the subject of tactics, anybody try the new Advance Wars yet? I've played them all except the new one and it looks awesome. Just wondering.

So, is NWN online only or is it one of those that you really only get something out of it online? I ask because anymore it's either a developer strictly designs a game for single player and multiplayer is an afterthought (F.E.A.R. comes to mind) or it's obviously designed for multiplayer and single player is really only there because...well, I don't know, but it is and it's not all that great (the Halo series DEFINITELY comes to mind).

The point of that little rant is what happened to games like Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, Quake 2, and countless others from the 90s? There were so many games that had such a solid foundation when it came to single player, but offered multiplayer, and both were GREAT. Not anymore, though. And don't get me wrong...games like F.E.A.R. and No One Lives Forever ARE fun to play online, but clearly they weren't designed with multiplayer in mind, therefore, they aren't quite as popular because multiplayer gaming has really caught on.

And really, the only other reason I ask about NWN's take is I'm not a MMORPGer. I'm just not. I mean, I'm even one of the most loyal FF followers you'll find and I really have no desire to try out FF11. dot.Hack is a fun concept, but again, it's a single player game. Yes, it relies on your imagination a tick, but the point is that it's still a single player game monikered as a MMORPG.

I know this might start a debate of standard RPGs vs. MMORPGs and maybe even tabletop will be included, so I'll start with my stance...just in case. :p

Single player RPGs

I grew up with them. My first was Final Fantasy 1. When I learned we had missed a few of them shortly after FF7 came out, I felt cheated, immediately researched, and got trans'd versions of the "missing" FFs. The bottom line is I'm an RPG addict. I don't often have time to fully complete RPGs, but I enjoy grinding, character development, and often, these games have AWESOME attention catchers for their intros so as to throw you right into it.

Massively multiplayer online RPGs

About the only MMORPG I'm "familiar" with, if you want to call it that, is Asheron's Call, which I saw one of my friends play for about 5 minutes on his 56k AOL connection. Yeah, it sucked. And yes, I know they're a LOT better now, but I can't justify paying that kind of money up front, then monthly, then the expansions, and dedicating that kind of time to it either. Yes, I realize I'd be spending about the same amount buying standard RPGs, but with that, I have SEVERAL RPGs as opposed to just one.

Further, I can get on and talk to my friends online just as easily as I could in a friggin' game. I really see no point to getting into MMORPGs. Yes, the draw is there and clearly they're VERY popular, but sorry, not for me. And yes, I realize I'm biased because I've never really played/got into one. Sorry.

Tabletop RPGs

I only tried one: Warhammer. I just don't have the imagination for it. I really don't. Hey, I can think up games on the spot, write all kinds of intricate details about them, features, etc. And yes, that's another reason I'd like to get into game development. My brother was the DM and he would always get frustrated with me because often instead of just saying "Oh, there's nothing more I can do, I'll just wait," I would respond with things like...

Me: "Well, there's nothing more I can do, so uh, I lick the wall!"
Bro: "...It tastes like a wall."
Me: "Oh, cool!" :rolleyes:

Except I started doing that about every round, even when there were monsters until he finally threw up his hands and went "FINE, IT TASTES LIKE POISON AND YOU DIE!"

Me: "Blarg! No...! Such a short...life...gghghhhhhhaarrrrraaabuughhhhh...ugh ..." :lol:

Yeah, I more enjoyed painting all the little figurines than playing the actual game. Him and his friends really got into it and good for them because they really bonded over games like that. Me, though...nah. :p

Shangri-laschild
02-01-2008, 06:28 PM
So, is NWN online only or is it one of those that you really only get something out of it online? I ask because anymore it's either a developer strictly designs a game for single player and multiplayer is an afterthought (F.E.A.R. comes to mind) or it's obviously designed for multiplayer and single player is really only there because...well, I don't know, but it is and it's not all that great (the Halo series DEFINITELY comes to mind).

I only ever play it on my own offline. Never played it online so either it's ofline geared or it's an equal thing. If my friend and I try it online sometime I'll let you know how it is.

gunsage
02-01-2008, 06:50 PM
My query hath been answered. :lol:

Chanlin
02-01-2008, 10:53 PM
Think of NWN as a glorified version of Diablo :) Well maybe not really.

The single player allows you to get an NPC follower, but only 1. You initially go through a tutorial area at the start that teaches you about combat, and how to buy and sell items etc. The premise is you are at an academy for adventurers. Toward the end of the tutorial all hell breaks lose and you are thrust into a plot as there is an attempt on the lives of everyone at the academy and you find out you (or you and your friends) if you are on multi player were the targets of the attack.

The online play is really not worthwhile because the game takes so damned long to complete. If you have a good friend the multi player online or over a lan is very much worth it, otherwise its geared more toward the single player game.

Shangri-laschild
02-01-2008, 11:19 PM
Think of NWN as a glorified version of Diablo :) Well maybe not really.

The single player allows you to get an NPC follower, but only 1. You initially go through a tutorial area at the start that teaches you about combat, and how to buy and sell items etc. The premise is you are at an academy for adventurers. Toward the end of the tutorial all hell breaks lose and you are thrust into a plot as there is an attempt on the lives of everyone at the academy and you find out you (or you and your friends) if you are on multi player were the targets of the attack.

The online play is really not worthwhile because the game takes so damned long to complete. If you have a good friend the multi player online or over a lan is very much worth it, otherwise its geared more toward the single player game.

the nice thing about the second one is that you can have up to 4 other NPC followers.
Edit: but they argue with eachother all the time!

Gravekeeper
02-02-2008, 05:29 AM
Neverwinter Nights 2 is epic failure to be bluntly honest. Its not made by Bioware. It was a bug ridden horribly coded mess when it was first released and isn't much better currently. The engine requires far more system resources then it should. Tons of stuff was left unfinished ( This will become painfully obvious when you try to follow character subplots ).

As for the game itself the story is awful, you'll end up wanting to kill half the characters and the ending ( If you can call it an ending. Feels more like the budget ran out. ) will make you want to choke the writers with a pillow case. Its not even an ending. Its like a cruel joke on the players because the writers hate you. ;p

The only upside to the whole game was the stronghold part. Other then that...<wince>

You have been warned.

The entire game is a running joke among my friends. ><

Go find yourself a copy of Baldur's Gate 2 if you want a fantastic rpg ;p

Lingering Grin
02-02-2008, 07:35 AM
Neverwinter Nights 2 is epic failure to be bluntly honest.

My biggest problem with it is that, for some reason, it is WAY TOO HARD.

I have no idea why either... everything was fine, and then WHAM, I couldn't get into a fight without someone dieing. There was a boss fight I couldn't win, even on EASY (I was playing on D&D Hardcore until this point).

Plus, the henchmen characters -sucked-, having to use certain characters at certain points is cool and all, but having to switch them out constantly is annoying. The first NWN series was great. You could go into any situation with any set of characters and be fine. You weren't forced to repeatedly go back and forth between town in order to get a different henchmen because some stupid portal needs that annoying ass Gnome to sing for it...


It's a shame, both of the games that Bioware gave to Obsidian (NWN and KOTOR), they ended up rushing and ruining. Both games start out fine, but then they just start feeling like the plot is being skipped... such as at the end of KOTOR 2 right before the last planet (Malachor V), is it just me or does it feel like there is an entire cutscene missing?

Gravekeeper
02-02-2008, 10:28 AM
It's a shame, both of the games that Bioware gave to Obsidian (NWN and KOTOR), they ended up rushing and ruining. Both games start out fine, but then they just start feeling like the plot is being skipped... such as at the end of KOTOR 2 right before the last planet (Malachor V), is it just me or does it feel like there is an entire cutscene missing?

Yep. Actually, there was:

http://www.team-gizka.org/

Fan group thats been trying to finish the KOTOR2 by using all the voice recordings, scripts, etc that were unfinished but left in the game's resource files.

Its sad when fans have to finish your game for you. -.-

NWN2 wasn't much better off. The ending is a complete cop out and half the character subplots weren't finished ( There's pieces of them in the game files you can reactive with some creative tinkering, but they arent' done so they end up going no where. )

gunsage
02-02-2008, 01:08 PM
If Bioware's involved, count me in. Now, it's ironic I say that because I didn't have the attention span for games like KOTR 1 & 2 or Morrowind. Yes, I know Morrowind isn't Bioware, but Bethesda, but it kinda reminded me of the same "issues" I have with most PC RPGs. In any case, NWN sounds cool, so I'll be checking it out. And yes, I'm very much interested in Mass Effect, but I'd need a next gen console first, wouldn't I? ;)

Haven't tried any of the Baldur's Gate stuffs either, but yes, I'd like to check that out at some point. And I also personally enjoyed Diablo, finished it, but never quite finished Diablo 2 despite LOVING it. While we're at these kinds of RPGs, anyone tried Bard's Tale? And of course, I mean the most recent (2006?) version, not the old (Forgotten Realms?) version.

By the way, anyone ever try RPG Maker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpg_Maker)? For a while I was using RPG Maker 2000 because it felt like the games I was creating were sorta like FF6, but then for some reason, the XP version seemed to sort of abolish the side view battles and went back to DQ-like battles. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's not THAT big of a deal and there's quite a bit of the source you can modify so I suppose you could set it back up with a little time and persistence, but I digress.

For a while, I was making a ninja RPG and also trying to model the various environments, story, basic development ideas, etc. I had for Gun Sage. Anymore I don't use it much, but I figured it'd be an interesting topic. And I'm a bit pissed with Rune Factory. Yeah...tornado ripped through my field for two days when I really didn't have anything I could do inside the house, my funds were limited, the feed low, and JUST got access to the summer cave. :(

Fortunately, I didn't save, but I'm not sure whether it's a random occurrence or a preset one, so I may end up being screwed anyway. :cry: I mean, it's no biggie because I'll have plenty of wood after clearing away all the crap, but at the same time, I was constantly trying to make better and better crops with the supplements or whatever they are and THAT gets expensive. It's worth it, but DAMN it's expensive.

Aaaaaaand one more thing, then I'm out. :p Went to the Game Crazy/Hollywood Video last night in hopes of renting a few movies and buying some cheap games. Yeah...I understand the cashier was a little overwhelmed by how many people were in there, but I know this guy. He was slow since day one and has never really gotten any faster. It's his overall demeanor, really. Further, it seemed like he was the only one working...soooo...yeah, I just got some movies and GTFO. :p

The sad part is I was in there for 15 minutes browsing and his line didn't move once. I decided NOT to get into line, went to get some movies, and I was out in less than 5. Perhaps some cross-training is necessary? I don't know. I know they have the whole spiel of trying to get you to sign up for warranty, card, etc. I know that often (if not in all circumstances) they have to get the game from behind the counter, put it in the case, etc.

But come on...his line didn't move an inch. He's been there a while, too. I decided I'd probably go back either today or tomorrow and see if it's any better. What I was PLANNING on buying and are hopefully still there (buy 2 get 1 free)...

- Onimusha 2 - PS2. Or what I like to call "Samurai Karaoke." If you've played through the intro, you know. :lol:
- Deus Ex: Invisible War - XBox. Or what I like to call "Lagging Even On the PC." Yeah, they described some way you could SLIGHTLY fix it, but personally I think something's screwed in the engine itself.
- Shenmue 2 - XBox. I sold this at Buybacks without having beaten it. :cry: Honestly, it feels both better AND worse than the original. The story's okay, there are more fights, but personally, there just aren't enough opportunities for fights in my opinion and you don't exactly get paid for them either. Having to do crappy jobs to earn money is, well...crappy.

Doing the wrestling bouts in the game is fun, but it's still betting. It's not like in God Hand where you enter the arena and if you win you get a prize, but otherwise, no biggie, just try again. Plus, I've always felt they needed more stats for the game to make it a more dedicated RPG hybrid, but that's just me. And yes, I'm highly saddened that the idea of a Shenmue 3 is more or less dead. And Shenmue Online? :cry: Great idea, poor follow through...but then, that would NEVER happen with anything else, right?! (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2094) :cry::cry:

Chanlin
02-02-2008, 03:35 PM
The Bard's Tale remake is actually fairly decent. Lots of good humor, and the narrator is Tony Jay (aka the voice of Megabyte from Reboot) and the Bard is voice by the much well known Cary Elwes. Those two alone make the game worth playing IMO.

If you've played any of the Baldurs Gate games for PS2 then you have a fair idea of what to expect in terms of game play as the engine was simply copied for The Bard's Tale.

Whats best about it all is the Bard though. Hes not out to save the world because he wants to. He's out to do it to get everyone to leave him the hell alone about his destiny etc.

Almost every conversation has a (Be Nice) - (Be a Dick/Jerk/AssHole etc) response. And while its fun to go with the latter response there are times when the former response is needed to advance the story.

Best line ever though:

Bar Maid: We have some rats in the cellar, if you would go and clean them out we... I would be most greatful (said in a sultry voice)

Bard: Why... how cliche of you love.

After

Narrator: All Hail the Bard... rat's bane and rodent slayer....

Bard: Hey hey.... you just tell the story and leave the sarcastic comments to me alright.

In any case I think its worth the play just for the humor of the game if nothing else.

Ducky Dew
02-02-2008, 06:03 PM
A chuckle for the Guild Wars players:

Was just in Vasburg Armory, Int Dis 1, and there was a group of Kurzick soldiers, chasing a group of Luxon soldiers, chasing Kurzicks, chasing Luxons, around and around a single tree.

Funniest glitch I've seen in a long time.

gunsage
02-03-2008, 01:58 AM
Yeah, I absolutely love the voice overs and story of Bard's Tale. What I don't like, however, is the main reason my wife won't play it...crap camera. And yeah, I get it, it's going for a more classic style view. It's the same one that's done in Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, which, much like Final Fantasy Mystic Quest or Crystal Chronicles, is an abortion of a series on a GRAND scale...and yet, isn't absolutely terrible.

And notice I didn't include X-2 or one of the Legend titles. Here's why. Legend 1 was kinda crappy, but I really enjoyed Legend 2 and actually completed Legend 3. MQ wasn't TOO bad, but still not quite on par with most FF games. Kind of a FF Lite, if you will. CC...ugh...what a failure. Think Gauntlet, but really really...uh...worse. :p That, and much like Unlimited SaGa, you don't actually "level up," but rather, you select from ONE upgrade after a level and that's assuming you found them in the level. Screw that.

Now, in concerns to X-2, let's think about this one thing at a time...

+ Nice active battle system with all kinds of awesome features.
- ZOMG GIRL POWER, LIKE OMG, SRSLY.
+ Take FFX world, add missions, add chapters. It's a system that works, admittedly.
- Voice overs get annoying. QUICK.
+ Dress spheres are an awesome touch. Kind of a futuristic version of jobs.
- Almost any side game was crap.
+ Good music. Great sound effects (minus uber-annoying voice overs).

Admittedly, it's not the best in the FF series. But at least it's not...this. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2276) So yeah...there are worse things you could play. (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2272) Speaking of Fallout...anyone interested in the upcoming Fallout 3? You know, I never beat ANY of the Fallout titles, but I really loved them all the same. Honestly, what I end up doing, like in most sandbox titles is going "Oh, never seen you before" to random NPCs, saving, then attempting to steal everything off of them.

If I fail, no biggie...I load. :p And I keep doing it until either I figure it's not going to happen...or it does. :D This is how I got a submachine gun without paying for it relatively quickly. :lol: Aaaaaaand speaking of sandbox. Have any of you tried either Metal Saga or Steambot Chronicles? Metal Saga's pretty fun...it's actually a remake of Metal Max Returns (http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=mmr), which is ALSO a remake. :p Can't really recommend SB unless you can tolerate crappy controls, but it's okay. Well, that's about it.

Gravekeeper
02-03-2008, 06:18 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic about Fallout 3. I loved 1 & 2 but to be honest, and I seem to be a minority here, I'm not really a fan of Bethesda's work. They create a seemingly fabulous world then drop you in the middle of it and say "Here, go find your own entertainment". Then the world itself, while amazingly large, tends to be rather shallow once you pick away at the surface.

So while I'd love a Fallout 3, I'm really worried its going to be Oblivion all over again. Oblivion looked fantastic....and thats kind of all it did. -.-

Broomjockey
02-03-2008, 06:36 AM
I seem to be a minority here, I'm not really a fan of Bethesda's work. They create a seemingly fabulous world then drop you in the middle of it and say "Here, go find your own entertainment". Then the world itself, while amazingly large, tends to be rather shallow once you pick away at the surface.

So while I'd love a Fallout 3, I'm really worried its going to be Oblivion all over again. Oblivion looked fantastic....and thats kind of all it did. -.-

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>_>
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GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Geez. Seriously. Same thoughts going on over here. Plus a few choice words about the "radiant AI" and the scaling of EVER SINGLE MONSTER to your power level. What the hell is the point of leveling if you're never going to be able to go back and one-shot that bastage monster that killed you a dozen times when you're level 3?

Of course, I sorta cheated by making what I dubbed "The Ultimate Spell of UberDoom" as it did every type of damage, and gave 100% weakness to every type of damage. Cast that 2 or 3 times and nothing really survives. It was their spellcrafting utility, I just made the stupidly powerful spell.

Gravekeeper
02-03-2008, 11:22 AM
GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Geez. Seriously. Same thoughts going on over here. Plus a few choice words about the "radiant AI" and the scaling of EVER SINGLE MONSTER to your power level. What the hell is the point of leveling if you're never going to be able to go back and one-shot that bastage monster that killed you a dozen times when you're level 3?


Ah yes, the scaling monster spawning. You could spent months playing and finally obtain some legendary death sword of lore that took <insert fantasy race here> a 100 years to forge using the finest craftsman in the world out of a metal so rare even an ounce of it is worth an entire kingdom.......and the game will respond by handing said sword out on every street corner to every drunkard, beggar, petty thief, rat, crab and elk in the entire game world.

gunsage
02-04-2008, 01:50 PM
They create a seemingly fabulous world then drop you in the middle of it and say "Here, go find your own entertainment". Then the world itself, while amazingly large, tends to be rather shallow once you pick away at the surface.
Wow...you nailed it right on the head. Again, I don't mind sandbox games, but it eventually feels lazy on the developer's part. On the one hand, you develop a game that operates to YOUR whim, so that's a nice touch, but on the other...wo ist derr plot? There are a few others I'd criticize of this, but surprisingly they were more addictive to me...

- Gothic
- Gothic 2
- Metal Saga
- Uplink
- Shadowrun (http://www.projectwonderboy.com/index.php?archive=2179) (Genesis version, though I suppose you could count the SNES version also)

As you can probably tell, I don't play a whole lot of sandbox-style games. It's not that I need to be told where to go and what to do, nor that I want to be completely handheld. I guess what it comes down to is I like a nice blending of sandbox and lineality. For example, in the GTA series, it's very sandbox, but also mission-based. Even then, the missions only slightly hold your hand and often require you to be creative, as there's not necessarily one right way to do something.

Then you have games like Final Fantasy X where there's basically no backtracking, the world isn't open, but rather, quite linear, etc. FFX was both amazing and disappointing for reasons like this. By the way, I absolutely suck at Uplink. Ironically, I'm hoping my knowledge with Network+ and my impending knowledge of Security+ will help with that, but often I'm found out rather quickly in the game. I ought to install that again and start playing it again. Hmm.

By the way, though my posts are long (sorry), I totally forgot to mention what I was playing. I really couldn't decide what to play, so I knocked out a chapter of Fire Emblem for the GC, then knocked out a couple of chapters on Suffering: Ties that Bind for PS2. I'm still going over various tables on Visual Pinball and testing them to see if I ought to keep them or if it's even worth it (crappy quality, table's not fun, etc.). As far as MAME goes, I pretty much have what I want (over 2000 titles), but I've been investigating more titles and adding more Neo Geo titles while I'm at it...especially if they don't work well/at all on other Neo Geo emus.

Beyond this, I'm investigating the possibility of selling older strategy guides and I'm probably going to group together various PS1 titles that aren't selling or would sell very low anyway for an auction. There...that's about it. :p

RichS
02-04-2008, 03:05 PM
As far as MAME goes, I pretty much have what I want (over 2000 titles), but I've been investigating more titles and adding more Neo Geo titles while I'm at it...especially if they don't work well/at all on other Neo Geo emus.

Another MAME fan! I've been with MAME since 0.033U6 (number changed to fit the new version scheme - the current version is .122u8). It's great to play all those arcade games from my much younger years...;) And it's amazing that they not only add games, but continually improve emulation on the supported ones.

I'm hoping my knowledge with Network+...

Off-topic - could I send you a PM about getting Network+ certified? I'm in a networking class, and if I get certified, I get an automatic A.

Shangri-laschild
02-04-2008, 03:10 PM
Neverwinter Nights 2 is epic failure to be bluntly honest. Its not made by Bioware. It was a bug ridden horribly coded mess when it was first released and isn't much better currently. The engine requires far more system resources then it should. Tons of stuff was left unfinished ( This will become painfully obvious when you try to follow character subplots ).

As for the game itself the story is awful, you'll end up wanting to kill half the characters and the ending ( If you can call it an ending. Feels more like the budget ran out. ) will make you want to choke the writers with a pillow case. Its not even an ending. Its like a cruel joke on the players because the writers hate you. ;p

The only upside to the whole game was the stronghold part. Other then that...<wince>

You have been warned.

The entire game is a running joke among my friends. ><

Go find yourself a copy of Baldur's Gate 2 if you want a fantastic rpg ;p

Damn....I haven't finished it yet and was just going off what I had played. So far the only complaint is I wish the henchmen would stop fighting so much. Luckily if it sucks, I still love replaying the first one.

Gravekeeper
02-04-2008, 03:34 PM
Damn....I haven't finished it yet and was just going off what I had played. So far the only complaint is I wish the henchmen would stop fighting so much. Luckily if it sucks, I still love replaying the first one.

It gets like a B grade movie. You keep playing just to see how much worse it can get. -.-

But that ending...ugh. I picked it up right after it came out and finished it in a couple weeks and I'm *still* pissed about that ending. There's an expansion now too which one of my friends picked up to see how bad it is and its continuing the epic fail rather faithfully according to him.

gunsage
02-04-2008, 04:34 PM
Well, it seems we get the most members commenting here while I'm on lunch, so here goes! :p I'm not so sure I'd call myself a "fan" of MAME, but possibly of emu in general. Right now I'm just going through a certain site and seeing what does/doesn't work...whatever does, I consider keeping, but often don't because it's either not that great or I have something much better.

Obviously, I have my favorites...

- Robocop
- Contra
- R-Type series
- Parodius series
- Block Out
- Golden Axe: Death Adder's Revenge
- Arkanoid
- Tetris
- Columns
- Aliens
- Ghosts n Goblins
- I'm Sorry!
- Bonanza Bros.
- Space Harrier
- Just about any Pac Man derivative

Then Capcom system favorites...

- Final Fight
- Cadillacs & Dinosaurs
- Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo
- The Punisher

Then Neo Geo favorites...

- Sengoku
- Alpha Mission 2
- Fatal Fury series
- King of Fighter series
- Crossed Swords
- Puzzle Bobble 4

And so on. BTW, PM away. I only got about 100 over what I needed to pass Network+, but I can make some suggestions on what to study and such, certainly.

Edit: BTW, w00t to me for having a pic up in the albums now! :D

gunsage
02-07-2008, 12:02 PM
So yeah...since I sold Alundra, I decided to pick up some more games. No, not for the intent of selling more, though that may happen anyway. Here goes...

- Just Cause (X Box)
- Gun Valkyrie (X Box)
- Jade Empire (X Box)
- Touch Detective (DS)

Now allow me to explain...I'd only played Jade Empire out of that bunch. And it's one of the few Bioware games that grabs my attention and doesn't let go...probably because I really enjoy martial arts and sorely regret never actually getting into them. I wish the combat system was a little more involved, almost as if it was a brawler, but it's still very fun. I kinda figured I'd enjoy Touch Detective given that I really enjoyed such titles as Trace Memory, Hotel Dusk, and the Phoenix Wright games...and I do, so there. :p

Just Cause and Gun Valkyrie, therefore, are the anomalies. And here's the verdict...they're...okay. Just Cause only ran me...$12? So no biggie there. GV was about $5, but so no biggie there either. Why only "okay?" Just Cause reminds me of Scarface, except that it's anti-drugs and you're looking to overthrow a government regime, not rival druglords. Further, it's also like they threw Mercenaries together with it what with the abilities to signal for drops and all kinds of crazy additionals.

For example, you can parachute at just about anytime. You can hop on top of speeding vehicles and comandeer them. You can paraglide...I mean, really, I could spend an entire page just talking about all of it (and might later). :p In concerns to GV, well, it was recommended. I can't really find the review that initially supported it, but come on...it was cheap and it's not TERRIBLE, but clearly it's not on par with modern shooters...even fun arcade shooters like Panzer Dragoon Orta, which is really sad, because that was also done by Sega.

And now to more properly explain both Touch Detective and Jade Empire (for the few of you still living in a cave that never tried it). In concerns to JE, it's kinda like KOTOR, but interesting. :lol: It's based more on martial arts than forcing its way into the Star Wars universe and while the dialogue is expansive like in KOTOR, it's not so horribly cumbersome that you get bored asking NPCs questions. A lot of PC RPG critics (me included) often whine that NPCs have all kinds of information, none of it relevant.

Sure, there are a few moments where you might feel that way here, but 90% of the time, it's relevant and concise. Perfect. And yeah, I whine about the combat, but it's not that dull and further, the plot more than makes up for it. In regards to Touch Detective...played Monkey Island? Yeah, it's kinda like that except you're a junior detective. Silly and fun. :)

gunsage
02-08-2008, 05:00 PM
Now that I've played Touch Detective a little more, I'm ready to hand down a more "educated" opinion. Okay, here's the deal. It's very cartoony. Now, when I say that, I don't just mean it's cartoony in the way it's drawn or the wacky hijinx. Yes, it has that, but that's not the point. The real issue here is that the puzzles are done in a cartoony style. The reason this presents a problem is you often end up having to think in a very obscure way in order to solve various puzzles.

Obscure how? *SPOILER* You have to inflate someone in order to have your little buddy go under her, then later pop her so as to catch a thief. Anyway, you get the idea. Not all puzzles in the game are like this, but enough of them are to the point that even after you figure it out, you'll be scratching your head going "...What?" :confused: It's not a bad game, just very very weird. In its defense, it's a very cartoony title and has plenty of slapstick. The characters are nice and vivid and have decent personalities.

It's no Hotel Dusk, but it'll do. Speaking of adventure games, what are your favorites? I think my favorite is still Curse of Monkey Island with a runner up of Return to Zork.

Chanlin
02-08-2008, 05:50 PM
On Jade Empire.

I have to say I really enjoyed the various martial arts styles. I'm curious as to what if any of your favorite support styles are and if you used any of the magic or demon transformation styles at all.

I personally prefer Thousand Cuts, Spirit Thief, Crimson Tears and Legendary Strikes. This is the set up I ran through the entire game with and it served really well.

As for games to add to the mix, I know its a little old but I just got and started playing STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl.

I have to say so far I really enjoy the game. Its got a survival rpg feel to it in that you start with next to nothing on you and have to run missions to get money and looting fallen foes is your primary source of equipment. The best factor is that it is completely non-linear and allows you to complete missions in any order. Couple that with a fairly decent FPS mechanic and you have a solid game. The story itself is somewhat interesting, but almost feels incidental. I like the idea behind the alternate future time line and it seems kind of odd.

Overall the gameplay has been really good. There are plenty of ways to tackle each encounter using superior tactics or superior firepower to your advantage. I can't say much for the AI as of yet. I will reserve more judgement for when I get further into the game, but by and large I'm quite pleased with the game and could easily lose track of time while playing it :)

gunsage
02-08-2008, 07:54 PM
I'm not sure if STALKER will work on my computer, but one of my coworkers has it on his laptop. It definitely looks very nice and I enjoy a well done FPS every so often. Another one I was interested in was Crysis...but if I'm not able to do STALKER, I can nix that! :p

Gravekeeper
02-10-2008, 06:19 AM
Now that I've played Touch Detective a little more, I'm ready to hand down a more "educated" opinion. Okay, here's the deal. It's very cartoony. Now, when I say that, I don't just mean it's cartoony in the way it's drawn or the wacky hijinx. Yes, it has that, but that's not the point. The real issue here is that the puzzles are done in a cartoony style. The reason this presents a problem is you often end up having to think in a very obscure way in order to solve various puzzles.


Touch Detective was pretty bad, yeah. The puzzles typically make no sense. They're just being insane for the sake of being insane. Which made the game more annoying then fun to be honest. You end up just trying everything until some random item turns out to be the solution.

The art was nice though. Same with the sequel. It looks really cool but playing it gets annoying. -.-