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dougiezerts
01-24-2008, 12:04 AM
This is a subject I've brought up before, but I thought I'd revive it.
Do any of you have jobs where overtime is required? And if so, how do you feel about it?
My job is subject to occasional overtime, although not as bad as it used to be.

blas
01-24-2008, 12:25 AM
Everyone knew I was going to chime in here!

We've been on mandatory overtime since July or August. Some departments like my ex boyfriend's have been on more than, say, mine.

We've been required to do anywhere from 6-12 hours a week. That includes sacrificing a weekend night either every week or every other week. That includes staying late/coming in early when you don't have to do it on the weekend.

Have the checks been nice? Sure. But have I lost sleep? You betcha. Have I been screwed out of time with my friends? Did it make my relationship even harder? Sure it did. I feel like I spend every waking moment at that place. I'm ALWAYS there.

That's why I don't have sympathy for people who whine about 8 hour shifts. I'd give ANYTHING to be back on a regular 40 hour a week schedule. Imagine having to work 10 or 12 hour shifts most of your week.

Gurndigarn
01-24-2008, 12:54 AM
If you're salaried, and more than 50 hours a week is "standard", you want out. Working that much isn't healthy for you, and since you're salaried, there's no incentive for upper management to cut your workload. If 38-45 is standard, it's not all that bad, even when it occasionally spikes upwards.

Hourly pay is better, as a rule, although nonstop overtime... it's a mistake on someone's part. But at least if you're hourly, you have the benefit of saying "$$$ x 1.5" in the back of your mind, and keeps you a bit saner

blas
01-24-2008, 01:02 AM
Exactly. It's a mistake on the suit-wearing puppets we call "upper management" who have no idea how to run their damn factory properly. They don't pay enough to get people to stay, the hours and enviornment are not desirable for most, and the lacksadasical policies and practices are enough to make anyone leave if they can find somewhere where they only have to do their 40 hours a week.

Hell, if I didn't need the insurance and vacation time, I'd quit in a heartbeat.

dougiezerts
01-24-2008, 01:15 AM
I agree. If the managers worked our jobs, our hours, and our overtime, I think they'd have more respect for us.
But consider this: A 60 hour (or more) workweek was the norm for workers 100 years ago. So we're heading in the right direction.
Not that I'm justifying forced overtime!

akilika
01-24-2008, 03:34 AM
I agree. If the managers worked our jobs, our hours, and our overtime, I think they'd have more respect for us.

That's actually one of the reasons that I've got a lot of patience with mine when I have to work overtime: there are only three of them, and there has to be at least one of them there at all times. Even without the open-to-closes/staying-overnights I've seen some of them do recently (especially when #3 was having his appendix out), they're probably dwarfing my schedule by a LOT.

That said . . . I've had overtime pretty much every week lately. It's kind of annoying, but it's mostly picking up/staying late, so it's at least something I bought into. Kind of tiring.

I've got three days off this week, though, so hopefully this week will be different! (So not picking up . . . no way.) Especially considering I'm recovering from illness and could really, really use my rest.

(Actually, I only had 32 hours this week . . . yay! But most of my off-time was taken up by aforementioned illness. Boo.)

PepperElf
01-24-2008, 09:09 AM
Eh. Yeah. Overtime is normal but we work salary so it can suck.

and we have to take turns being on call for the night at work (there's a place to sleep), but at least the schedule is written fairly for it. and they try to let us out early when we work overnight.

TNT
01-24-2008, 10:39 AM
I used to work a job where I had two days on and four days off... if I worked Monday and Tuesday one week, the next week would be Tuesday and Wednesday, etc. It took six weeks to rotate through the schedule, so my hours per week would be 35, 35, 35, 50, 50 and 65. My hourly rate was pretty low, so I had to like it... every third paycheck was for 115 hours, and the 35 hours of OT were the difference between being very poor and just poor.

Girly
01-24-2008, 01:50 PM
I work at a CPA firm.

To say overtime is normal time is kind of a given from now till April :)

Mikaiyawa
01-24-2008, 09:53 PM
When I was working for a title plant (as in real Estate) as a contract employee (only paid for 40 hours. period) we got a new manager who wanted me to lie to my agency and work 60-80 a week, every week. And she "requested" this After telling me there was no way she could justify hiring me on permanently. My job wasn't "critical" enough for it to be worthwhile.:eek: I just scanned all the documents they needed to do title searches and do trivial things like Sell Property. :confused:

I was getting married that summer and she told me I couldn't have ten days to get married and have a honeymoon. I quit with full agreement of my agency. Now they can't keep a person in that position. :roll::roll::roll:

Mieka

GolfCart34
01-24-2008, 10:04 PM
Overtime is a rarity where I work. Next week is one of the few times where I will actually get overtime (we have a bank meeting that everybody has to attend). At least they are paying for dinner since the meeting is after work hours.

The place where I would occasionally get "mandatory" overtime was in Williamsburg. That was mostly just for people who wanted extra money during busy times. Other than that we only got about 32 hours a week.

Irving Patrick Freleigh
01-24-2008, 11:35 PM
Well, it's not overtime in the sense that it caused me to go over 40 hours for the week (most of the time), but it pissed me off just the same.

Under my thankfully long-departed manager Harry, we got only 4 people to unload trucks. One person in the truck throwing boxes on the conveyor belt, two people sorting hardlines boxes to pallets, and one person taking care of softlines. Now we have a crew of 6 or 7 to do this. If somebody called in sick, management would try to find somebody to come in and cover, but if they couldn't get anybody we were just expected to soldier on with no complaints.

The result is that it would take much longer to unload a truck than it should have. A 1200 or 1300-piece truck would take at least 3 hours to unload, not counting bulk and furniture which got done last. And nowadays that would be a low carton count for us.

However, we were still expected to get everything done that's expected to be done now. Furniture had to be off the truck and put away. Bulk pallets of paper products, detergent, water, or whatever else had to come off the truck and be put away. All the pallets of freight had to be staged to the salesfloor. The backroom floor had to be swept up and empty cardboard boxes and plastic from softlines had to be thrown away. This was all non-negotiable and had to be done that night OR ELSE. And we were expected to stay late to finish all this if (or more appropriately, when) we didn't get it done by quitting time.

Problem was, all the unloaders were high school kids who could not be made to stay late because of school and labor laws, except for me and one other person who had to get home to her kids right away. So guess who ended up staying late all the time?

That's right. I cannot tell you how many times my 5pm to 10 pm shifts turned into 5 pm to midnight, 5 pm to 1 am, or even later, and then I'd sometimes have to be back in at 7:30 or 8 the next morning. I would offer to work on the truck the next morning to avoid staying late and always get shot down. It had to be done THAT. VERY. NIGHT.

When we remodeled and I had an opportunity to talk with people from other stores and ask them how many people they got to unload trucks, they told me they had at least 5 people and here we were struggling along with 4.

So yeah, it isn't 10 or 12 hour days for weeks on end, but it's still pretty frustrating when you don't know what time you will finally be done and you know it's just because your manager is cutting staff to earn bigger bonuses and look good to corporate because of all the payroll he's saving.

dougiezerts
01-24-2008, 11:43 PM
I work at a CPA firm.

To say overtime is normal time is kind of a given from now till April :)
April 15, right?:)

Gurndigarn
01-25-2008, 02:08 AM
I work at a CPA firm.

To say overtime is normal time is kind of a given from now till April :)

And it's going to be rough. But when management expects an extra amount out of you, it's always easier to bear when either there's a good reason for it that you understand (and probably should have understood when being hired— like in this case, or working retail around Christmas), or they give you some reason to believe that both they really understand what you're going through and that they're trying to get the problem solved.

It's an absolute bear, however, when they tell you essentially "tough noogies, you're not making enough money for us yet", even if they use politer language. Which has happened to me. By the guy who's recently been promoted to director of company operations.

blas
01-25-2008, 02:15 AM
I totally agree.

When I was first hired, we were never told about overtime. Then as I got in there and got some experience, I was told as soon as I was trained it, I was to do overtime.

And it's been like that ever since, off and on, but more on than off. And there is no real reason.

Winter time is a very slow time in manufacturing. The reason they justify overtime is because since we consistently have been making our goals, they just increase our goals to unreachable lengths, and then force overtime on us until we make that goal, and then when we do, they increase it again. When our goal is way more than it should be, and they just keep forcing overtime, it's NOT fair and it shows real lack of knowledge of running a company on upper managements' part.

Ghengis51
01-25-2008, 09:56 AM
I feel lucky that I don't have to work overtime that often. I do work a second job so that chews up enough of my free time thank-you-very-much. But my full time job is essential, which means we HAVE to have at least one person on. If the scheduled person calls off they start calling for people who want to work it, if no one volunteers the activate Mandatory Overtime. Meaning the call the low man on the list (me until just recently), and say congrats you're working an extra shift. It's only happened to me twice, first time was horrid. I had just worked my first night of 11pm-7am. Anyone knows that switching shifts like that screws you up something bad and takes a few days to get acclimated to. As hard as i try, i can't get asleep till noon. At about 1 my phone rang, they called me in for overtime on the 3pm-11pm shift. . . and i still had to work my shift after that. I had to work 16 hours on 2 odd hours of sleep. I was PISSED, i ended up throwing my poor little phone into the couch as hard as possible (i was mad, but i wasn't about to break my phone). Grabbed a 12 pack of pepsi and made it through the day drinking 1 can every 2 hours.

Tuxian
01-25-2008, 10:33 AM
At about 1 my phone rang, they called me in for overtime on the 3pm-11pm shift. . . and i still had to work my shift after that. I had to work 16 hours on 2 odd hours of sleep.

That, I do believe, is classified under the heading of "ILLEGAL" in most jurisdictions. AFAIK, and IANAL, so double-check your local ordinances and labor laws to be sure, but most places I know of require you to be given a minimum of 8 hours between shifts, for health and saftey reasons. A person who has not had a chance to rest is more prone to accidents while on the clock, be they big or small. A lot of places also require you to be given a certain amount of time before the shift change if they are changing a posted schedule, and 2 hours doesn't sound like nearly enough time to force you to work a 16 hour shift.

I sure hope that place has gotten its act together. Might want to let the local labor board know about it, which you should be able to do anonymously.

Girly
01-25-2008, 12:06 PM
And it's going to be rough. But when management expects an extra amount out of you, it's always easier to bear when either there's a good reason for it that you understand (and probably should have understood when being hired— like in this case, or working retail around Christmas), or they give you some reason to believe that both they really understand what you're going through and that they're trying to get the problem solved.

It's an absolute bear, however, when they tell you essentially "tough noogies, you're not making enough money for us yet", even if they use politer language. Which has happened to me. By the guy who's recently been promoted to director of company operations.

It is kind of easier, even though we put in 60+ hours a week minimum, because the partners of the firm are right there working, too. The other eight months out of the year, they are nowhere to be found, but for these four, they work longer hours than most of the rest of the office.

When I was interviewing a couple of years ago, one of the partners wanted to make sure I understood that I really, truly would have no life during tax season. I couldn't believe that people actually didn't know that, and expected to work 40 hours year-round, no exceptions, or expected to get 'compensated' for all the work they do put in for four months.

Ayleah
01-25-2008, 01:38 PM
We have "mandatory" overtime twice a month on Saturdays for 4 hours each.
It's fine, as far as I am concerned, because we get paid overtime pay, and it's only a few hours. I just wish it was a little later in the day, I'd like to be able to be out Friday night later than 10pm :)

Ghengis51
01-26-2008, 08:39 AM
That, I do believe, is classified under the heading of "ILLEGAL" in most jurisdictions. AFAIK, and IANAL, so double-check your local ordinances and labor laws to be sure, but most places I know of require you to be given a minimum of 8 hours between shifts, for health and saftey reasons. A person who has not had a chance to rest is more prone to accidents while on the clock, be they big or small. A lot of places also require you to be given a certain amount of time before the shift change if they are changing a posted schedule, and 2 hours doesn't sound like nearly enough time to force you to work a 16 hour shift.

Unfortanately my job has extra leeway, when I say we're considered essential I mean cops-can't-keep-me-off-the-road-in-a-state-of-emergency essential. I'm a civilian employee for the our state police. They can force us to do double shifts (supervisor's do ALL the time) but it's when it gets to the 3rd shift in a row they're stuck.

powerboy
01-27-2008, 05:49 AM
The only things I care about on overtime is the money. With that being said, I will do the time. I onced worked 11hr days for 5 days a week and 8hr for both Sat and Sun. That was for a month, then it got slow. I brought home some great ass pay.

AKWalMartCartGuy
01-27-2008, 07:49 AM
my store is on "no overtime" and probably will be for a long time.

blas
01-27-2008, 07:58 AM
I'm applying at Wal-Mart tomorrow then.

dougiezerts
02-03-2008, 02:22 PM
It is Sunday morning, and I am at work getting ready for my shift. Last night, the in-charge asked me if I wanted to come in for any overtime, today. I refused.
When it's a Sunday, and they need overtime, things are pretty bad, around here.

Jbball
02-05-2008, 06:24 PM
I wish overtime was required, I'd be pulling in like $28/hr!

Sadly, though, things are a bit slow, so I'm usually looking for stuff to do.

I did work for a movie theatre that didn't pay for overtime. At first, I thought it was trash and was upset when I learned about it. At that time in my life, I really only worked and played games, so when I learned that we could work as many hours a week we wanted, I was stoked. When I got into management, I ended up with 50-60 hrs a week. Sure, no over time, but my paychecks were still larger.

*It's a law in Texas that any "service" job isn't required to be paid overtime. Another company I theatre I worked for, was just opening up, made sure to explain in detail how lowly they thought of the staff, by telling them straight out in fairly harsh terms how they're not getting overtime because they're basically cock-roaches to them. Luckily, I was a projection manager, so it didn't apply to me (though, they were only paying me $6.50/hr, so I quit when they were in a bind, just to stick it to them).

blas
02-06-2008, 12:17 AM
Um....we're cockroaches to the higher ups where I work, and the reasons we are forced to work mass amounts of overtime is because it's always "Our" fault if we fall behind and when they keep changing the goals, and because we're the scum of the earth.

Peppergirl
02-06-2008, 12:28 AM
Um....we're cockroaches to the higher ups where I work, and the reasons we are forced to work mass amounts of overtime is because it's always "Our" fault if we fall behind and when they keep changing the goals, and because we're the scum of the earth.

Blas, you are so silly. The reason you guys fall behind is because of everyone taking the two minutes to start their cars in the cold weather. :lol:

::runs away::

blas
02-06-2008, 02:30 AM
Oh you silly goose....the reason we fall behind is because of a) idiot higher ups who have no idea how to run a factory b) weekend shifts with plush-toy supervisors who allow them to run amock and not do any work and demand other shifts make up for it by helping them out.

Trust me, we get nailed when we don't come in and help them on the weekends. The weekend shifts are suprisingly better staffed than 2nd and 3rd shift. However, more people doesn't mean more accomplished. Not when they spend all night wandering around the room chit chatting or patrolling the hallways chatting.

They have more people than us, yet can't do the work that WE can do with a skeleton staff.......they come in to "help" us and don't put a dent in the work because guess what, they do nothing at all.

I have better things to do on my Friday and Saturday nights than to even be there in the first place, much less be there to be USED while everyone else fucks around.

Peppergirl
02-06-2008, 01:51 PM
There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING worse than management who says they're going to 'help' you get caught up.

They either do absolutely nothing, like you said, or they fuck everything up and make it take 2x longer to fix.