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Plaidman
09-22-2006, 02:30 PM
I have had troube sleeping since I left the big N house, so they presicbe a magical pill called Ambien. I'm taking twice, sometimes trice the doctors orders, going on to my third supply of the 5 I had to support me through janary.It sucks cause its the only thing that helps me sleep. Apperently its rather easy to get addicted too, and I'm apperently showing the signs.

I know this isn't major or life-threathlin, (I don't think so), so must of you are proubly meh on the issile.

If I am addicted, that means I failed in my promise not to get into drugs and acholo. I can feel it coming over me, so I'll make it straight. Send some hope towards me that I don't become addicted. I'm all ready pissed off that I'm out of pills and need to go get another one tomorrow if the med cleared it like they said they did. -_- I Want them here now!

Barefootgirl
09-22-2006, 03:45 PM
Plaidman, if you are concerned that you are becoming too dependent on the Ambien, GO BACK TO YOUR DOCTOR NOW.

Do not faff about writing stuff on internet boards. We are nice people and we will support you, but we are not medical professionals and we cannot help you in the way you need to be helped. Sending hope will make you feel better, but you absolutely NUST go to the dr and let him helpyou as well. I don't know too much about sleeping pill adddiction, but if its safe to do so, it would be best to switch to another drug immediately.

Broomjockey
09-22-2006, 03:46 PM
All the hope to you that you need and more.
Prescription meds are the worst for addiction in my opinion, because you actually need them, at least temporarily, so it isn't like you can just try and quit. :(
Good luck

sportsmom
09-22-2006, 03:48 PM
I'll second that! Get your butt back to the doctor NOW!!!!! An addiction, even possible, to sleeping pills is not something to mess around with! Get back to the doc!

Greenday
09-22-2006, 04:31 PM
Too much of any drug is harmful regardless. Whether it's acid, E, or sleeping pills, overdosing is overdosing and can cause you not to wake up in the morning. You gotta get to you doctor and talk it out with him.

As for alternatives for sleeping, try music. Some people like nice, calming music to put them to sleep. I like rock, punk, alternative, metal, rap...Whatever you like. Just as long as it's not too loud but just loud enough that you can hear it. Listening to music can help calm the nerves and let you relax.

ArenaBoy
09-22-2006, 05:40 PM
Go To Your Doctor Now!!!!

Banrion
09-22-2006, 06:37 PM
Plaidman,
I too had an issue with Ambien when I was in college. It was prescribed to me for the wrong reasons. I highly recommend going back to your Dr. there are other sleep meds on the market with less possibility for addiction. Talk to your Dr. he will likely change you to something else. It is always better to address these things early than it is to wait and get in trouble.

LemonZest
09-22-2006, 07:39 PM
Plaidman,

Please go to your doctor ASAP. Tell him/her what you told us.
My mother is so addicted to that stuff she walks around the house doing things at night, then has no idea she did them in the morning. When she was just home from having a hip replacement, and not supposed to be going up or down stairs, we found her doing so in the middle of the night. She could have fallen and ruined the (very successful) surgery and not even remembered it.

Somewhere I saw (yeh real helpful I know) a news report of someone *getting in their car and *driving* while under the influence of Ambien*.

I know it's helpful for short term sleep issues but I really feel it is prescribed much too carelessly by many doctors (and the quack my mother sees would be number one....I saw him for an ear infection that would NOT go away, sure enough he wrote me a script for Ambien 'in case you can't sleep'. I'd put Ambien down on the paperwork as one of the (many) drugs I cannot take!

There's other sleep-help out there that is much better for you...and won't get you addicted.

Hugs (if you are OK with that) and strength to get through this!
LemonZest

AFpheonix
09-23-2006, 08:46 AM
Ditto what the others said, speak with your doctor about it. There are other, non habit-forming sleep aids available for you, for example Rozerem, a fairly new non-controlled one out. Some people also use mood-regulating drugs such as amitriptyline with success.

Go over your current drug list with him to see if there's anything you're currently taking that could be causing the insomnia, and if there is, perhaps consider changing to something else.

Also take stock of your lifestyle and diet at the moment. Are you drinking caffeinated drinks after a certain hour in the evening? Is there a lot of stress in your life that may be aggravating the insomnia?
http://www.helpguide.org/life/sleep_tips.htm
This is a pretty good article on a lot of the non-rx things you can do to improve sleep.

Good luck!

Ree
09-23-2006, 12:30 PM
Plaidman, as usual, you have made a post that cries for help, got members upset with worry about you, and received lots of wonderful advice.

Now, please don't go back to your usual routine of never posting an update or following any of the excellent advice offered.

CS is not a therapy board. We care about each other, and I certainly do care very much about what happens to you, Plaidman, but there comes a point when people cry wolf.

Plaidman
09-23-2006, 05:29 PM
I did talk to my pschyotherpirst. Or whatever it is you call those who prescribe mediecnes that aren't doctors. He told me that I won't be addicted, but I'm most likely getting a dependecy on it. Since I take it every night, he told me that he'll prescribe a higher dose to it, but I'm suppose to take only a few a week, (Pill and half, so 15 mg instead of 2 mgs). I don't mean to cry wolf, I just wanted others opinions so I don't worry. I can't belive everything I read online, and I was mostly going off of wikipedia and a few other sites that was crying the dangers of ambien.

Edit; The whole reason I was replying, was to thank you all for the advice. I'm still going to talk to him in person in October on my next appiontment t get something different. As for my diet, I drink way to much soda, and no water. Which I'm going to start doing. (I hope....). I work two, sometimes three different swifts a week. (Like this week its grave tonight, swing tomorrow, off monday, grave mon-thursday, day sat. Day and swing sun. and then I get a new swift. But thank you all for the replies, they do mean alot to me.

Ree
09-23-2006, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the update Plaidman.

I didn't mean to seem cruel or insensitive, but I have seen a pattern from you in the past. You make these posts that cause all of us to get worried, and then you don't bother with an update, and disappear for weeks or months, leaving us to wonder if you are really OK.
It comes off as attention-seeking, even if you don't mean it that way.
I think you have some very real problems, so I didn't want you to go back to that pattern.

I am wondering, though, for the sake of clarity, what is the difference between dependence and addiction?

I also don't understand, if he says you are developing a dependence, why he would increase the dosage and leave it to you to monitor your intake to "a few a week" rather than every night.

It's no wonder your sleep cycle is out of whack, with all the different shifts.
I am wondering if there are better ways than chemical drugs to help you with this.
I know a few years ago when I was having sleep interruptions, I tried Valerian root.
It only took a week or so for my body to start developing its own rhythm. When I stopped taking it, there were no bouncebacks or side effects at all. (That was my experience. Not everyone reacts the same way to all things.) It's still a herbal drug, so it's not necessarily 100% harmless and safe. I just know it worked for me, and I felt better about taking it than some sleeping pill from the doctor.

Rapscallion
09-23-2006, 06:34 PM
Valerian - it's where Valium comes from, so it's a dangerous (albeit useful) chemical at a much lower dose.

BTW we sell Valerian tea. Supposed to be very calming...

Rapscallion

Ree
09-23-2006, 06:53 PM
Valerian - it's where Valium comes from, so it's a dangerous (albeit useful) chemical at a much lower dose.Actually, Raps, any research I have done says that is a common misconception because of the similarity in the name.

While they both work in a similar manner, Valium is actually synthetic member of the benzodiazepine family, while Valerian is natural plant extract.

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/23/63.cfm
http://www.mindpub.com/altern08.htm
http://www.tvo.org/yourhealth/joe_schwarcz/valarian.html
http://www.holisticonline.com/Herbal-Med/_Herbs/h26.htm

Rapscallion
09-23-2006, 07:22 PM
Golly!

Rapscallion, learning something every day...

LadyMage
09-23-2006, 07:33 PM
Valerian tea is a calming one but I recommend - if there are any of those lines of teas in your area - this semi-generic common-to-pharmacies tea called Sleep Easy (in the same line as Throat Coat teas for when you have the flu). I don't know what's in it precisely, but trust it to cure any insomnia you have.

Ree
09-23-2006, 07:47 PM
this semi-generic common-to-pharmacies tea called Sleep Easy (in the same line as Throat Coat teas for when you have the flu)You don't know who makes it, do you?
Wonder if it's available in Canada.

DGoddessChardonnay
09-23-2006, 07:49 PM
Valerian - it's where Valium comes from, so it's a dangerous (albeit useful) chemical at a much lower dose.

BTW we sell Valerian tea. Supposed to be very calming...

Rapscallion

I've tried Valierian Root a few years ago when I was having trouble sleeping due to neck/shoulder pain. It didn't interfere w/the meds my doctor had me on at the time and I did't feel addicted to it in any way.

Only reason I stopped taking it was because I couldn't quite get past the aroma when opening the bottle - it's a strong, yeasty odor that will almost knock a horse out cold. To me, it smelled like manure (and that's putting it nicely.):eek:

I wonder how the Valierian tea tastes. Could I find that here on my side of the Atlantic?

BTW, Plaidman, I'm going to repeat what others have said here: if you're having trouble w/your meds, GET TO THE DOCTOR ASAP. Do not delay, or it can get worse and then you'll really be in a world of hurt.

And Ree's right on target, while we do care for our members, we're not professionals and we're not a support group. Be your OWN support group.:)

Seanette
09-23-2006, 09:27 PM
I find melatonin useful (chronic insomnia). Just watch the dosage. Usually, half of a 1mg tablet is about right for me. A whole tablet can leave me a bit foggy the next day, and the 3mg tablets are WAY too much! I have a tendency toward nightmares at high dosages, but that's probably just me. :)

stormtreader
09-27-2006, 03:48 PM
Im fully expecting you to go *Duh!* over this one, but i didnt see it mentioned in your posts.
You mentioned you drink a lot of soda, which has caffiene etc in it: Your doctor has told you about the standard "no drinking soda in the last two hours before you go to sleep" right? Also you wont sleep well if you go to sleep thirsty, so a pint of water/squash by the bed is good.

On the music front, Banco de Gaia is very relaxing to listen to when you want to go to sleep.

Becks
09-27-2006, 04:14 PM
If it's not too late, I might like to recommend melatonin. It usually works, but some people get nightmares from it. :(

Seanette
09-28-2006, 11:33 AM
If it's not too late, I might like to recommend melatonin. It usually works, but some people get nightmares from it. :(
So I'm not the only one who gets that side effect? I've found that dosage seems to have a lot to do with whether I'm going to have that problem. For me, reasonable dose=very vivid dreams, which I personally kind of like. Too high dose=nightmare.

Plaidman
09-30-2006, 11:37 AM
Its been years since I last had a nightmare, so I might look into that, for the simple fact I liked nightmares. I don't drink soda before bed, I do drink alot of it though.

Becks
09-30-2006, 04:22 PM
So I'm not the only one who gets that side effect? I've found that dosage seems to have a lot to do with whether I'm going to have that problem. For me, reasonable dose=very vivid dreams, which I personally kind of like. Too high dose=nightmare.

My sister has had nightmares. I would occasionally have the joyful experience of sleeping for a few hours, then waking up again for a while before falling back asleep. That, however, was after using it for a while. Now I don't use it at all, because I find the sounds of my fiance's snoring soothing while I fall asleep. :roll:

Plaidman
09-30-2006, 04:48 PM
I bought some today, took two pills. (I have a high immune system, so it'll most likely not affect me at all) thanks for the advice. I hope it works :)

Bella_Vixen
10-02-2006, 01:21 AM
My sister has had nightmares. I would occasionally have the joyful experience of sleeping for a few hours, then waking up again for a while before falling back asleep. That, however, was after using it for a while. Now I don't use it at all, because I find the sounds of my fiance's snoring soothing while I fall asleep. :roll:

Actually, the melatonin never gave me nightmares. It was the hyper pills that gave me nightmares. The melatonin would lull me to sleep, etc. (same as Becks). I'd start out with 2 pills, then go to 4 pills, then 6 pills. Then I'd quit for a week or two and the start over.

Seanette
10-02-2006, 01:29 AM
Seanette, are you taking the vegetarian ones or the ones made from cow brains?
Let me check (retrieves bottle from medicine cabinet). It's Natrol brand, claims to be 100% vegetarian (also does not have yeast, wheat, corn, milk, egg, soy, glutens, artificial colors/flavors, added sugar, starch, or preservatives). I think I've also used the TwinLabs version.

For me, the nightmare factor depends on dosage. I definitely have problems at 3mg, but I rarely even go as high as 1mg, because I don't like feeling draggy/foggy the next day (1/2 mg clears out of my system overnight quite nicely and does the basic job fine for me, so that's my usual dosage).

Hmmm, may need to buy more in the not-terribly-distant future.

dispatch
10-02-2006, 03:30 AM
plaid, there's other meds out there, and if they tell you to take more I'd suggest telling them where to stick the bottle and finding another doc. I've had problems with this of and on, but from what you've said it ounds like you're not giving your body a schedule to work with, it's not healthy, but if it's whatcha gotta do, then it's whatcha gotta do.
I've found a number of things work, depending on the person. TV, reading, crosswords/puzzles, benadryl, counting sheep, meditation, shot of table wine (don't use this often) among others.
definetly talk to your doc, dependence isn't any less of an issue than addiction, some doctors and psychiatrists beleive that pills solve everything, so you might want to ask specifically about non-perscription alternatives.