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Chickenstuff
11-15-2006, 10:57 PM
Okay. I was talking to someone I work with about her new piercing and it reminded me of something I witnessed. I was at the tattoo place while my sisters were getting their tattoos. I was in the waiting room while Dave was getting things set up. A lady walks in (can you say suburbs?) with a whole gaggle of teenage girls. The guy at the counter asks how he can help her. She says that her 16 year old daughter wants to get a tattoo and her 14 year old daughter wants a belly button piercing. He explains to her that the 16 year old will not get tattooed there as they do no one under 18. She gets frustrated and asks if that is the rule everywhere. He replies "unfortunately, no". She keeps at the guy for a little bit and then her and the 14 year old get into an argument about where the girl's ID is or some such nonsense and the mother ends up smacking the girl on the ass. Now I have nothing against tattoos (I have one myself) or piercings (wouldn't mind a nosering) but a) if a girl is young enough to get spanked, is she old enough for a belly button ring? b) what kind of mother takes her 14 year old for a reason to show off her stomach and her 16 year old for a permanent tattoo? Maybe I'm just old, but I would not take my child in for a life altering thing such as a tattoo before she was 18. I'd probably even encourage her to wait longer. Not so much a sucky customer as a stupid one I guess.

Spiffy McMoron
11-15-2006, 11:26 PM
b) what kind of mother takes her 14 year old for a reason to show off her stomach and her 16 year old for a permanent tattoo?

I'm not sure, but I was classmates with a girl in high school whose parents got her a tattoo when she was 16/17. It was a very well-respected family, and the girl was very smart and hard working. I think she said that they could have only one for free, and they could get any design they wanted within reason. I think she had an anklet of flowers, if I remember right. Their son would also get one, but he hadn't last time I talked to him.

Anyways, a lot of parents would do this so their children (daughters, in this case) will seem "cooler" and be more accepted. Parents living vicariously through the children, perhaps?

Hempress
11-15-2006, 11:44 PM
I think I would let my children (well, child as of now) get them done because I know what kind of a teenager I was. My parents wouldn't let me so you know what I did? I did them myself. Very dangerous and I'm lucky I didn't get tetanus or something since I never sterilized anything. I'd much rather let my son get it done professionally than behind my back with a safety pin and a gel pen. I have two tattoos done that way that I did when I was 14.

rdp78
11-16-2006, 02:33 AM
Well, if I ever have kids (big if because after working in retail I'm not sure if ever want to have children) and when they ask for a tattoo I would let them have a tempory one. I would also tell them it's against the law for anyone under 18 to get a real tattoo and so when they are over 18 they can get one as long as they put some thought into it.

Piercing is another story because I would defiantly let my little girl get her ears pierced and well, her brother will have wait till they are in their teens to get an ear pierced. Any other body part I will let them have fake piercing and let them wear it just give it a fell. If they want another ear piercing I might let them have it depending their age and if they gave it some thought to it.

Speaking of tattoos has anyone seen this commercial for this cell phone company (I'm not sure which one) and anyway there this guy getting a tattoo. The tattoo is a heart with his name, girlfriend's name and then has "True Love" or something like it across the heart. Anyway his girlfriend calls him will getting his tattoo and she breaks up with him but she still wants to be friends. So now the word "Love" is crossed out and "Friends" is written underneath. :lol:

AFpheonix
11-16-2006, 04:41 AM
Meh. They can wait until they're out of my house if they want to get something like that done. My house, my money paying for them, my rules.

There's a lady I know from the barn who went with one of her daughters (when she was about 14-15) to a piercing place and both got their tongues pierced. Honestly, who would let their teenaged girl get a tongue piercing, especially knowing what they're used for? Gah.

NightAngel
11-16-2006, 06:12 AM
My oldest is 15 and he has wanted a tat since he was about 2 years old. I have told him many times that when he is of legal age to make that decision himself without me being there then he can do as he pleases.

Once when he was little he gave himself one with colorful magic markers. His entire face. As it wore away it looked progressively like a large bruise covering his face. It was SO EMBARASSING! :o

After that he and I came to a compromise and he has been the king of the temporary tatoo since he was about 3 or 4. It's been fun actually... he and I pick them out together- we get the nice ones that last a couple of weeks- then we put them on eachother's arms. It's really a fun bit of quality time that we enjoy to this day.

Yet another weird family tradition brought to you by NightAngel. :lol:

Hempress
11-16-2006, 10:57 AM
Honestly, who would let their teenaged girl get a tongue piercing, especially knowing what they're used for? Gah.

Not all of us have our tongue pierced for sexual reasons, thanks. I got mine done because I like how it looks. And I was a virgin (in all meanings of the word) when I got mine.

Boozy
11-16-2006, 11:36 AM
I'd be more likely to let my kid get a piercing than a tattoo. Piercings can be removed and they'll eventually close up, but tattoos are forever.
I *shudder* to think of what horrendous thing I'd have engraved on my butt right now if it hadn't been for that "Not under 18 rule."
Possibilities from my high school days, if I recall correctly, included "AC/DC Forever", or the Aerosmith logo. :eek:

Gurndigarn
11-16-2006, 12:03 PM
I'd be more likely to let my kid get a piercing than a tattoo. Piercings can be removed and they'll eventually close up, but tattoos are forever.
I *shudder* to think of what horrendous thing I'd have engraved on my butt right now if it hadn't been for that "Not under 18 rule."
Possibilities from my high school days, if I recall correctly, included "AC/DC Forever", or the Aerosmith logo. :eek:

And probably faded to an ugly blue, as well.

Silvercat
11-16-2006, 06:36 PM
Not all of us have our tongue pierced for sexual reasons, thanks. I got mine done because I like how it looks. And I was a virgin (in all meanings of the word) when I got mine.

:rolleyes: Seriously. Back when I was working at a Christian camp every summer one of the other counselors had gotten a tongue piercing earlier that year. She was a year younger than me (I think she was 17). The Camp Director mentioned the dress coad during the morning meeting, and specifically mentioned tongue piercings and how they can be sexual, and how that was an image we didn't want to project.

I think just about all of the sane younger staff were rolling their eyes. (Just to be clear, a LOT of our staff and campers had gone to Christian schools, only had Christian friends, etc, and were very conservative. I don't think most of them were quite fundamentalist crazy, but that's neither here nor there.) Also keep in mind that I worked in a sex shop - well, it was shipping for online sex shops and one of the big sellers at the time was a vibrator type thing you could use with a tongue piercing. But I STILL knew it could just be a fashion thing.

Anyway, the counselor with the piercing was rather annoyed and somewhat hurt. She was one of the toughest people I know (I think that was the year where she ended up pulling cactus spines out of her own leg) but sensitive.

Um, so basically, why do people always jump to the sexual reason for anything? (Oh, you're asexual? You must have been molested. No, no I wasn't. I'm just not interested.)

AFpheonix
11-16-2006, 06:43 PM
I'm sorry if I offended, it wasn't intentional. I dislike tongue rings for multiple reasons (dental damage, and higher risk of heart valve infections that have been linked to them, etc.).
Mostly I'm flabergasted at this woman, this is just but one incident in a long line of things where she treats her daughters more like friends than her children, and then wonders why they act up so badly.

RecoveringKinkoid
11-16-2006, 06:50 PM
Not all of us have our tongue pierced for sexual reasons, thanks. I got mine done because I like how it looks. And I was a virgin (in all meanings of the word) when I got mine.

While I have no doubt that that is true, the suggestion the stud makes in everyone's mind is still there. Sad, but true. As such, there's no way, no how, no no NO would I let my grossly underage daughter have that done.

Severen13
11-16-2006, 07:20 PM
I got my first tattoo at 19 just to piss my parents off. They didn't want me to get one, but I was of legal age. Ha Ha. It's a nice rose and I have no regrets. And now (age 33) I have a total of four (one more than my dad).


:D

Department stores *sigh*
11-16-2006, 10:32 PM
if i ever have a daughter there is one thing i will guerentee she will not get under my roof.

NO TOUNGE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sofar
11-17-2006, 12:34 AM
I'm totally straight-laced, you know, real button-down, man. Exceptin' my long hair, of course, I'm a total square. But . . . I've always wanted a nose ring. Anyway, it's important to rebel against one's parents, and if your parents are always letting you do all the stuff you want to do then how are you going to do that?

Zombi
11-19-2006, 09:46 AM
I'm sorry if I offended, it wasn't intentional. I dislike tongue rings for multiple reasons (dental damage, and higher risk of heart valve infections that have been linked to them, etc.).
Mostly I'm flabergasted at this woman, this is just but one incident in a long line of things where she treats her daughters more like friends than her children, and then wonders why they act up so badly.

While the risk of dental damage is increased (vs. not having one at all), it's not a serious issue unless you play with it a lot, clicking it against your teeth. Also, the acrylic balls reduce the risk of damage, as opposed to the metal ones.

I'm another that just has a tongue stud - while I would love an opportunity to use it for sexual purposes, that's not why I got it.

RavenStarr
11-20-2006, 05:35 PM
My son's friend got a homemade tattoo when he was 14. This was done without his parent's permission. His mom especially hit the roof on this one. She hates tattoos. She has said if she ever wants a tattoo, she'll just take some magic marker and draw something on here arms.:lol:

Right now my oldest has said that he might get a tattoo when he is old enough. My middle son has said he is definitely getting at least 2. He says he already knows what he wants. I told them that if they wanted to get one when they turn 18 that was fine. However I told them that if they would wait until they are 21, then I would pay for their first tattoo. That's if they still want one.

Barefootgirl
11-21-2006, 10:50 AM
I have to agree with Spiffy and Sofar. I think the kind of parent who takes their underage child for a tattoo or body-piercing, is the kind who is afraid to say no, wants to be their kid's "friend" rather than their parent and thinks that by doing to they are somehow a cool parent. Um, no. You're not a cool parent. You're a pain and you're doing your child a deep disservice.

Kids need boundaries of all kinds. They like to know that there IS a fence there for them to lean on, even while they are mouthing off about how oppressive the fences are and how awful you are for putting up fences, and it spoils the view and no other kid in their class has fences, yadda, yadda, yadda, God save us all from teenage angst. The only kids who have no boundaries at all are kids whose parents don't give a monkey's whether they live or die. Look at the number of runaways who are never reported missing. The parent doesn't even care enough to tell someone that something bad might have happened to their child - is it any wonder the kid runs away?

OK< that's a bit over-dramatic, but i still wouldn't let my child get either a tattoo or a body-piercing. Partly because I personally think they are ugly (no, I do not think that makes you ugly. No, i don't condemn people with tats and piercings. I jsut don't care for them myself. Remember freedom of expression? This is mine) and I think they are something for adults. If my daughter wants to go and get a tattoo when she is 18 and goes off to university, thats fine. If she's waited for it and wanted it that long, then it obviously really does mean something to her and she can use her own money to pay for it because she will be an adult ! I would just hope that by that time she would have some modicum of good taste and forward thinking, and would get something tasteful and hide-able.

kibbles
11-22-2006, 03:19 AM
Not every parent who lets their child get a tattoo or piercing, is trying to be a cool parent or is a parent that is afraid to say no. Yes that is true in some cases, but I'm sure there are cases where a parent lets their underage teen get one, simply because they don't have a problem with it. And that doesn't mean that that child doesn't have many boundaries and is not cared for IMO

Kibbles

Hempress
11-22-2006, 03:08 PM
I think in my post in this thread I already explained why I would let my child get a tattoo or body piercing. And it has nothing to do with being a "cool parent". For one, I certainly wouldn't pay for my child's body art (he'll have to get a job if he wants it), and I certainly wouldn't let him get just anything (a Prince Albert comes to mind; nope, that ain't happening) but I'm not going to just say no for the sake of someone else's idea of boundaries.

I'm sure some would think me an irresponsible parent, but whatever. Do I really care? No.

Zombi
11-22-2006, 03:45 PM
Most reputable piercers would absolutely refuse to do a PA, or any other below-the-belt work on anyone under 18 anyway. And I agree with paying for it themselves - my parents paid for 2 of my 3 sets of lobe piercings, and the cartilage piercing in my upper ear, but all the rest have been paid for out of my own money. And that's how I like it. ;) Most places in Australia say you have to be over 16 to be pierced without parental permission, and I think that's a good thing, because I think that you need to stop growing before you get certain piercings. Ears are usually OK (I've had my ears pierced since age 4), but for things in and around your mouth, you should probably wait until your teeth get themselves sorted. Also, nipples need to fully develop before they can be pierced without migration or other side effects.
I got my tongue pierced as my 19th birthday present to myself, so I was well above the age limit, but my 15 year old cousin also has his tongue pierced. Why? Because his mother can't say no to him. He wanted a piercing, and she wouldn't let him get anything else done because "He's a boy! He'll get into fights and it'll get ripped out!" (this kid's too chickenshit to get into a fight, but that's beside the point). I wanted my nose pierced when I was 14, and my parents said "Hell no!" In the end, I was 17, and while I don't regret getting it done for a second, I'm glad I waited a while.

My parents detest my piercings, though - when I got my labret done, my dad made a big thing about "You're going on a plane soon! What if you walk through the metal detector and explode from all that metal?!" They're not magnetic, Dad. :p Anyway, thread hijacked! *gives it back*

powerboy
11-26-2006, 11:27 AM
I am going to get a few tattoo's. And that is it

technical.angel
11-26-2006, 11:44 PM
Ears are usually OK (I've had my ears pierced since age 4), but for things in and around your mouth, you should probably wait until your teeth get themselves sorted.

No age limit for safety of lobe piercing (although for someone to do it, the baby need to have it's first round of shots), but there is an age limit of 12-14 for cartlidge piercing in the ears. Let the cartlidge get happy before you start punching holes in it.

Jenni, the :angel: with shattered cartlidge, who misses doing ear piercings.

Barefootgirl
11-27-2006, 02:40 PM
Not every parent who lets their child get a tattoo or piercing, is trying to be a cool parent or is a parent that is afraid to say no. Yes that is true in some cases, but I'm sure there are cases where a parent lets their underage teen get one, simply because they don't have a problem with it.

So that parent is essentially saying to the child, "I'm going to help you break the law, because I think its a stupid law, and i feel that you expressing yourself is more important than the law". Sorry, but I can't rate that parent as anything other than misguided, and frankly, making a rod for their own back. If you condone your kid flouting the law on this issue, you lose the moral high ground on everything else.

Why is it such a big deal to say to a kid, "No, you can't have a tattoo now, wait until you're an adult, and then you can do it yourself". Things that are truly worthwhile are worth waiting for. Teaching a child instant gratification is not doing that child any favours at all.

Zombi
11-27-2006, 02:58 PM
It's not against the law for them to have it done with parental permission - it's against the law for a piercer to work on someone who is underage without parental consent.

Rapscallion
11-27-2006, 08:55 PM
Somehow, I've got a mental image of a five-year-old wanting and getting a tattoo of the latest child's cartoon character.

"I wanna Spongbob tat, mom!"

Give it a decade from then, and...

Rapscallion

kibbles
11-28-2006, 01:04 AM
So that parent is essentially saying to the child, "I'm going to help you break the law, because I think its a stupid law, and i feel that you expressing yourself is more important than the law". Sorry, but I can't rate that parent as anything other than misguided, and frankly, making a rod for their own back. If you condone your kid flouting the law on this issue, you lose the moral high ground on everything else.

Sorry but I don't think you are losing high moral ground just because of a tattoo or a piercing. If a parent is doing it just to be the "cool" parent, then yes they will lose control because more than likely they are trying to be the cool parent in other areas as well.

But a parent who genuinely has no problem with a tattoo or a piercing, is not going to lose control over their children, and as was stated, it's against the law for it to be done without parental consent, it's not illegal if parental consent is given.

Just as with watching all different shows/movies, if a parent knows a child is able to handle it, then there is no problem IMO.

Kibbles