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Lace Neil Singer
07-13-2006, 12:16 PM
Anyone got any stories? At my job, I have no time off during the summer months cuz those months always, without exception, go to people with kids. I understand about summer holidays, but I still think it's unfair that I'm expected to slog thruout the summer with no time off at all. *le sigh* To clarify, what counts as summer is June/July/August and over here, the summer holidays don't even start til the end of July, so why can't I and the other childless peons have time off in say, June or the beginning of July? :cry:

Becks
07-13-2006, 03:59 PM
In a lot of the departments at work, NO ONE is allowed/supposed to take their vacations during the weeks of Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. I see the point, I really do, but it's tough for me, because maybe, just maybe I would like to be able to go from New Jersey to Wisconsin to spend a holiday or two with MY family? (Nothing against my future in-laws.)

KayEm
07-13-2006, 05:10 PM
I agree, Lace....I always say that as long as the rules are applied evenly and fairly to everyone, then I wouldn't have a problem with them. But when some people override the rules, while others can't..THEN it's a problem.

It's especially annoying when you don't have kids, yet keep having to make up for those who choose to reproduce..I totally understand that feeling. Just because I don't have kyds, does that mean I don't deserve to enjoy a nice holiday by myself ? Companies are just too breeder friendly.

Lace Neil Singer
07-13-2006, 09:22 PM
Exactly. No offence to people with kids, but having had kids shouldn't automatically grant you superior holiday status.

Brighid45
07-13-2006, 09:32 PM
At my workplace you were always told never to take vacation time in the summer or over the Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year's holidays, since those are absolutely insane times for us due to product demand. I was good about taking my vacay during really crappy months like February until I noticed that some people could take vacation pretty much anytime they wanted to--often at a moment's notice--when I got hassled about asking for a week off a year in advance. Well, **** that consideration. Just because I live alone doesn't mean I wouldn't like to go to the shore in July or take my birthday off (it's a week before Christmas *sigh* pita!). Now I just take my vacation whenever and don't worry about it. We somehow manage to keep up with demand anyway. What a crock.

Rapscallion
07-13-2006, 09:40 PM
Oh, I don't know. It also depends on your definition of superior.

I don't mind children so much, but I sometimes am happy to be away from them. I spent a long weekend on the Isle of Man last year, but as it was before main holiday season, it was very quiet and relaxing. At the time, it was perfect for relaxing and investigating the place. Outside of school holiday time is cheaper, for that matter.

However, had I taken a holiday at a butlins or similar sort of holiday camp, I would have expected children everywhere. They're not that bad, but best when given back to the parents when they're dirty.

Rapscallion

Greenday
07-13-2006, 10:10 PM
Um, at my summer job, if it's your first year, you don't get any extra pay whatsoever for any holidays you work, aka July 4th, Memorial Day, Father's Day, etc. And regardless of which year it is for you, you are expected to come in. It's not volunteer really. I just told them I was going to Pittsburg last year on July 4th and that I wouldn't be in. I told them that when I first applied. I told them every week for three weeks before July 4th. They STILL put me on the scheduele. Morons.

Think Blue
07-13-2006, 10:52 PM
We've had two HRM's in charge of dealing with days off and sick days. Both were at the opposite ends of the spectrum, Our first HRM thought that people with kids deserved all the time off and us non parents were robots who never got tired or sick. You have a fever? come in, you hurt your back? do you have kids? no? well then come to work lazy (he actually said that to a coworker).
When a parent asked for a day off, they didn't even have to say why and they could have an extra day because "parents are more trust worthy and work harder than people who don't have kids". I was pissed off when I asked for a day off (my first one ever) and he said you can't you don't work hard enough.Needless to say he was out on the street when production from the non parents started to dwindle.
Then there was the lady who hated kids. She would never give time off to people with kids ever. Not even when one of our production worker's kid got hit by a car outside of school. Her response "is your darn kid alive?" yes then you don't need to go. I mean she was a total bi*ch only when my boss found out what happened was she allowed to leave. Now we have a pretty good HRM. She isn't the most sociable person, but she is fair about time off and will let you take a day off when you need one.

Irving Patrick Freleigh
07-14-2006, 02:54 AM
One guy I used to work with was always able to get the day after Thanksgiving off because he was up north deer hunting. But when I tried to take Thanksgiving Day off (not a busy day at all, but corporate's trying to change that by running big sales), I got a big guilt trip. "Aw, come on, do you think you would be able to work at least some kind of shift that day so we can deliver good customer service?":worship:

Gee, let me think...ummmm, NO! And then the next day when I worked 1 to 10, I got assigned to straighten all of Trimmery, the biggest messy hole in the store that day. They can't force you to do what they want you to do, but they sure as hell can make you want to do it.

The period from Thanksgiving to Christmas (or is it New Year's Day? I forget) is supposed to be a blackout period, meaning absolutely NOBODY gets to take vacation time during this period, but some people are always able to take vacation.

Barefootgirl
07-14-2006, 08:44 AM
At my job, I have no time off during the summer months cuz those months always, without exception, go to people with kids.

That's just wrong. Personally i can't understand wanting to go away in the peak period anyway - everything is ten times as expensive and I'd rather be in a nice cool air-conditioned office - but I do realise some people like the summer. Certainly, given that all kids should still be in school in June, there doesn't seem to be a sensible reason for not letting you take time off in June.

They should just move to a first-come-first-served system for holidays. You book your holidays first, you get first pick of the dates. My colleague and I both have kids, and yes, we need to take time off in August, but since one of us has to be here all the time, we have to be adult and sort it out among ourselves. I always know my daughter's school holidays at the end of the previous year, so I can get the time off booked as soon as i come back after Christmas. I don't get special privileges because I have a kid, but I get first pick of the dates I want because I book early.

NightAngel
07-14-2006, 08:57 AM
I have kids. I work alot of holidays, my birthday, etc. I cover for people when they need time off for *whatever*.

Here's the thing- I'm lucky enough to have family that watch my kids when I'm not home. They do it for free. If they didn't and I had to pay for daycare it would eat my entire check. The out of school months are hard for most parents who aren't as lucky as I am.

Daycare is insanely expensive and who knows whether your child is going to be watched, fed or anything else while they're there? It took exactly ONE bad daycare experience when my oldest son was little to know I didn't ever want my kids in a daycare program again.

Now, I certainly would never say it's right for only people with kids to get vacation time during the Summer. But there is a big difference between needing off to take care of your kids and wanting off so you can go party or whatever.

The other question that arises to me is, for the people who do have daycare, are the daycare facilities even open on major holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving? I'm going to guess no. Then what are the people with kids supposed to do? Bring them to work? Leave them home alone? What?

Lace Neil Singer
07-14-2006, 12:41 PM
I don't want time off in the summer so I can go party, more to do with the fact that summer is the busiest ever time (even busier than Christmas as there it only starts to get busy the week before) and I get absolutely knackered working 3 months with no time off! :rolleyes: I don't want to go on holiday at that time as it's too expensive; I just want to chill for a week. Not too much to ask, surely? However, my work seems to think that parents deserve it more, even when their kids are still in school.

SteverinoNY
07-14-2006, 05:25 PM
It's not so much an annoying holiday policy as its a generally annoying corporate policy dealing with holiday pay. At my company (think of a grocery store that rhymes with rice hopper), the old policy was that you needed a minimum of 12 hours a week average to qualify for X number of vacation hours (the weekly average hours you worked times 1.75...where they got that number i do not know) and 4 hours of personal time and four hours paid on your birthday. Also, you were paid a dollar extra an hour on all holidays plus given 4 hours pay for the holiday even if you did not work. Well, in their infinite wisdom, the hourly average was raised to 20 hours a week. Therefore, myself and all of the other people who go away to college because we value our education more than working in a grocery store and dealing with morons all day long get penalized because we are trying to make something of ourselves. All of the people I am talking about usually work between 28 and 35 hours a week during the summer and over all breaks, but becuase the avg hours are calculated for 52 weeks, our averages are around 12-15 hours, so essentially we get no vacation time and work all holidays for our base rate, while the people who stay around (or don't go to school) get the extra pay. I understand why they do it, but you would think taking that benefit from some of your better employees is not a good way to retain those employees.

Irving Patrick Freleigh
07-14-2006, 06:02 PM
It's not so much an annoying holiday policy as its a generally annoying corporate policy dealing with holiday pay. At my company (think of a grocery store that rhymes with rice hopper), the old policy was that you needed a minimum of 12 hours a week average to qualify for X number of vacation hours (the weekly average hours you worked times 1.75...where they got that number i do not know) and 4 hours of personal time and four hours paid on your birthday. Also, you were paid a dollar extra an hour on all holidays plus given 4 hours pay for the holiday even if you did not work. Well, in their infinite wisdom, the hourly average was raised to 20 hours a week. Therefore, myself and all of the other people who go away to college because we value our education more than working in a grocery store and dealing with morons all day long get penalized because we are trying to make something of ourselves. All of the people I am talking about usually work between 28 and 35 hours a week during the summer and over all breaks, but becuase the avg hours are calculated for 52 weeks, our averages are around 12-15 hours, so essentially we get no vacation time and work all holidays for our base rate, while the people who stay around (or don't go to school) get the extra pay. I understand why they do it, but you would think taking that benefit from some of your better employees is not a good way to retain those employees.

I'd be happy as a pig in shit if I could get vacation time for working an avergae of 20 hours a week. But at my company, you don't get vacation time if you are not full time. I have been working pretty much full-time hours for the past year but still not enough to officially be considered full time. Therefore I have to pay for my own health insurance and any time I take off is unpaid.

And our holiday pay is only 50 cents more an hour, I believe.

It's all about the bottom line. When our sales and profits go in the tank, benefits are always the first to go. Benefits for the peons, that is; the corporate suits still get all their bonuses.

Lace Neil Singer
07-14-2006, 07:37 PM
I know I'm lucky cuz I get an automatic 6 weeks approx off every year, but I don't want to spend all that in autumn and winter. I was lucky to get a week off in March next year tho.

JustAGirl
07-15-2006, 11:37 PM
I absolutely loathe the "blackout dates".

I had plans to head down to Florida to be with a whole load of relatives for Turkey day holiday (drive down day before, drive up that weekend). SO I put in my vacation, mentioned I had reservations (i.e. "we'll be there") to see people I have not seen in years, and it got denied. (sorry but at that time I was NOT aware of blackout dates).

SO I go and 'plead' to the big guy to have off.

Yeah I basically wanted off Black Friday, the "busiest shopping day of the year" because I would be in FL (Turkey day was closed).

Talking to the big guy, he asked me if I were in his shoes what I would do about Black Friday. I didn't say this but really should have... that they should have VOLUNTEERS, and those who volunteer to work hours that day get double time, considering its their "biggest shopping day of the year"... but I didn't. ah well.

So I had to agree to working 7pm-11pm Black Friday in order for it to be approved. If not it would be denied and I'd most likely be in trouble if I called in. SO I agree to those times that day and let b/f know.

We planned on leaving FL Turkey night to get to our apartment in time for me to get to work on time. When relatives found out about me working Black Friday, they said that we don't need to come down esp since we'd be cutting it close.

SO, we end up not going to FL for turkey day. Instead we stayed home and hopped to NC Saturday and Sunday.

On Black Friday, I come in and get on a register at 7pm. Whee, 4 hours to go.

Usually in 4 hours I take care of over 150 customers.

That day, I took care of... 50. Probably less than that.

I
was
so
pissed.

Our holiday weekend was cancelled cuz I was SOO NEEDED to take care of 50 freaking people on "the busiest shopping day of all"???????????????????

but like I said I really hate those black out dates because it leaves me without family that I rarely see. Yeah I have my b/f but we like to be with family that is out of state on that holiday (and xmas).

ah well, sorry for the rant.

Misanthropical
07-16-2006, 12:01 AM
When I worked Security, I had to work holidays (yes, even Christmas) it didn't matter to my boss that I had children, he expected me to come to work anyway, even though he took all the holidays off to be with his kid.

He even told me I couldn't have time off when my step son came back from Iraq, after all, my step son isn't really my child. It didn't matter that my husband was raising his sons when we got married.

My boss wanted me to tell my step son how behind the troops my boss was and it was nothing personal. Strange, my step son was not impressed with my boss' fake support and did take it a bit personal. After all, my step son just came back from a couple tours of Afghanistan and then of Iraq.

Slave to the Phone
07-16-2006, 01:14 AM
I'm child-free by choice. I do understand that sometimes parents have child-related emergancies and can't come to work.

I also understand that Christmas is a special time for people with children. But, its also a special time for people without children. We have families, too.

I had been working at hellhole for 3 years and had plenty of vacation time built up, so in June I put in a vacation request that covered Christmas and New Years. These were not unreasonable days for the job.

In September, my manager the harpy, hired a new receptionist who had young children. (6 months and 18 months at the time of hire)

Harpy still hadn't approved my vacation. I kept asking her and she kept brushing me off. We bought our plane tickets anyhow.

In November, the new receptionist started talking about taking her babies to Disneyland for the Christmas holidays. I thought this was a waste of money, the kids were way too young to really enjoy the experience, but I didn't say anything to anyone.

Three days before I was supposed to leave, I found my vacation request on my desk. DENIED!

I stormed into Harpy's office and demanded to know why my vacation had been cancelled. Harpy told me that it was because the parents (including new receptionist who didn't even have any vacation time built up) needed time to be with their families and that I was needed to cover for them. When I asked if that included the new receptionist, I was told yes.

I told Harpy that our tickets were non-refundable and that she was going to have to choose between a reliable, hard-working, long-time employee and a receptionist who was late at least once a week and had missed 4 days in her first 3 months. Harpy said she would think about it.

I didn't say another word, just made my plans, documented everything and took all of my personal items home. The Friday before our vacation, I left copies of everything with a resignation letter blaming "hostile working environment".

Harpy called me about 11 that night and screamed until I hung up and shut my phone off. She left 3 more screaming messages that night and several more during the next couple of days. I saved them all for use with the labor board. The end result was that I got my vacation pay and unemployment.

Harpy got fired :devil:

blas
07-16-2006, 12:22 PM
The "childless" employees were always stuck working at the gas station on holidays. The childless employees were my manager and myself. Despite her being such a sweetheart, I got really upset that all the other employees got EVERY holiday off, and she and I would have to split the 15 hour day that the store was open into long shifts. Just because you don't have children doesn't mean you don't deserve time off.

It doesn't make us inferior or less worthy of time off.

Irving Patrick Freleigh
07-16-2006, 12:30 PM
JustAGirl, not that I'm busting your chops or anything, but I don't blame the store for making you work Black friday

In retail there are certain days where every employee is expected to work. Black Friday is one of them. The day after Christmas is another, and the last Saturday before Christmas is quickly becoming another. At my store NOBODY gets off for Black Friday (except for one guy who always got the day off because he was deer hunting, he must've had pictures of someone or something). When they interview seasonal people, they tell the applicants that they will need to work on Black Friday. If they say they can't, they don't get the job.

I think it's a fairness thing more than anything else. Had they approved your time-off request, there might have been other employees trying to get that day off (with or without a reason such as visiting relatives out of state), and if they don't get the day off they might complain and call in sick or no-call-no-show. And Black Friday is a day where you need everybody working because it gets so busy.

It's also impossible at my store to take any vacation time from Thanksgiving to Christmas. It sucks, but that's retail.

JustAGirl
07-16-2006, 12:59 PM
IPF, I don't blame them either, I was just so pissed that noone mentioned a thing about blackout dates when I was hired, and plans were cancelled for a mere four hours that I really wasn't needed anyway.

That was my first retail job so I never knew about blackout dates.

Lace Neil Singer
07-16-2006, 04:51 PM
At my place of work, the time that everyone has to work are the week before Christmas or the week before Easter. However, people with kids can request that time off... however, just like in summer, childless workers don't even get that chance.

I don't want time off round there as I'm not really interested in time off before Christmas or Easter; the supermarket is closed on Easter Sunday, Christmas Day and Boxing Day in any case so the only day I request every time is New Year's Day; however, just like others have said we childless workers have families too and have just as much right as the workers with kids to spend time with them at holiday time.