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fireheart
01-08-2012, 06:41 AM
So I have a Nerf War coming up with some friends being held near me. Since I do not have any real guns of my own, I am looking to invest in a couple of guns with the intention of modding them slightly. Here are the conditions for me investing in them:



It can't be a fully-automatic one since my budget does not stretch THAT far (bear in mind I also need to buy a couple of extra clips)
It needs to be clip-fed so I can share extra clips and not lose the other darts so easily.
It needs to be capable of being modified slightly to gain better range.


Suggestions?

Jester
01-08-2012, 06:55 AM
Oddly, I have a Nerf gun with me right now! (Don't look so surprised...my third job IS in a toy shop, after all!) Sadly, it does not meet your requirements, as it is single action and comes with three "bullets" (one of which I've already lost) and one "rocket." However, their range is damn impressive, considering the gun is powered purely by air when you squeeze it.

Nerf guns RULE! Good luck!

fireheart
01-08-2012, 07:01 AM
Oh yeah thanks for reminding me: A maverick is my last resort.

lordlundar
01-08-2012, 04:06 PM
To be honest, a maverick should be the first option. It meets all of those requirements (the newer models even use the maverick's design as a baseplate for theirs) AND can be concealed.

Only other option I can think of off the top of my head is the N-Strike Stampede ECS. The dart capacity on that one is INSANE!.

BlaqueKatt
01-08-2012, 05:51 PM
I'd say look at the nerf shop (http://www.hasbro.com/nerf/en_US/), they've got the full specs on everything, and the prices, and there are some around $30 that have various pieces that can be added/removed for different applications, drum fed clips that hold 35 rounds are also around $30-and most are about $20.

BeenThereDoneThat
01-08-2012, 07:34 PM
I love Nerf guns...although I originally used them to entertain my cat, who really loved chasing the darts and even sometimes carrying them back to us. Eventually she chewed them up. :D I went a long time without a Nerf gun and then bought another one within the last couple of years, but alas, the cat who is now nearly 20 years old can look on intently but generally doesn't have the energy to chase the darts. Oh well, I can still shoot them at other targets ;)

Your idea sounds awesome...good luck tricking it out!

ApolloSZ
01-08-2012, 08:12 PM
Heheheheheheeheheheheheh. *Opens door to Nerf Armoury*
What? I only have 10 or so...

Ok.
- Clips - Basically stick to the N Strike Range - All clips take slimline darts (orange tips), even better if your sharing ammo. And the clips fit all Nerf Guns that take clips

- Extra clips, I believe you'll need to check second hand/online for anything other than a 6 Dart clip. Most stores should sell a clip 2 pack, with a little extender thing. Don't bother with the extender. Also, wear pockets. XD

Guns you may be interested in

Maverick - 6 shot revolver, no clip. Easy to extend range
Spectre - 5 shot revolver, no clip.
Barricade - 10 shot electric. Fires whistler (black tip) darts
Recon CS6 - Takes clips, use as a pistol (The barrel extension slows the darts too much) - Need a long drill bit or flat head screw driver to take out air restrictor.
Raider - The favourite pump action of my flat mate and I. 36 dart drum clip. Bit of a pain to modify according to my flatmate, but worth the effort.
Longshot/LongStrike - These are two different guns, but are both 'sniper' style. Longstrike is naff. Don't bother. Longshot you can remove the front half of the barrell to up range/power, and mod similar to the Recon.
Barrel Break - Double barrel 'shotgun' - No clip, has an 'ammo rail' to hold extra darts. Fires whistler (Black tip) darts tho.

Those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

The Stampede is a electric automatic, so possibly at the out of budget end, unless you spot a good sale.
The Vulcan while fun, is a 25 dart belt fed electric. So again probably out of budget.


Regarding mods, basic ones are, remove air restrictors, stretch/replace springs (along with precautionary padding inside the guns to handle extra power. After that you enter brass barrels etc, which personally I think are silly. Lemme know what you get, I can either describe or point you to resources I've used.

dragon_wings
01-08-2012, 09:54 PM
I own a Maverick and I love it. I blame my niece and nephew's Nerf gun collection (and therefore my sister and brother in law) for my interest in getting one.
My bro had some when we were little but as I am a girl I was never given any. :cry: I aim to change that now. *evil laugh* :lol:
Good luck and have a blast!

Squeaksmyalias
01-08-2012, 10:13 PM
You called? :D
Actually I can't say anything more then what my New Zealand brother can say, since he is the expert. So you are better off listening to ApolloSZ...:lol:

fireheart
01-08-2012, 11:51 PM
:lol: thanks guys.

Apollo, the Longshot was definitely on my list as far as the clip-fed guns go-I wanted a sniper rifle and from what I'd heard, that one was a) easier to mod and b) didn't fail on the range.

My boyfriend currently owns a Stampede, Vulcan, Raider and Recon. The Vulcan is the only one that he's modded, while the rest are all mod-free. I have no idea why he bought the Recon, but the raider he bought for the 35-dart drum. (You can't buy those separately over here YET)

Does anyone own, or is familiar, with the Alpha trooper? That is another possibility as a backup firearm. My boyfriend and I are sharing clips on the day of the event, since he owns around 7 clips total (all of his guns apart from the Vulcan are clip-fed). The Alpha I know comes with an 18-dart drum.

Oh and in regards to mods, the only real mod I'm doing is removing the air restrictor and possibly playing with the spring.

ApolloSZ
01-09-2012, 12:22 AM
Yes I have a longshot, it is fun. And freaking huge. Like 3 feet long. Nice range with the basic mods, I leave the extension off pretty much all the time tho. Looks like a pulse rifle XD (mines blue, not yellow). It was really easy to mod, infact we had it working better than when I got it (second hand gun).

My Flatmate (T) owns a Stampede and Raider, I have the Vulcan and Recon XD. Hmmm I remember your BF's a 40K fan, ask him if the Recon looks like a Bolt Pistol (without the extension/stock) XD

T owns an Alpha trooper. I got shot when I commented the mini-drum looked like a cute younger brother to the raider. I think the 'cute' comment got the reaction. Its internals are similar to a Raider. But somehow T has modded it and had a part left out, with no ill-effect. We don't know how it happened.... The only niggle is the pump needs to be all the way forward to fire. It seems to have a tendancy to sit a few mm's back. This may be due to the modding I'm not sure.

Yep, a long drill bit, or Flat head screw driver and hammer are your friend. Snips aswell. Regarding the springs, you can stretch them, but this will make it slightly harder packing the internals back in when your done.

You can buy alternate springs too, and I've heard people have fitted two Recon springs inside the original spring on a Longshot for more power. Also I'd reccommend Vaseline or similar to re-grease/lube the pistons. We saw a noticeable difference when we did that.

On a side note, I've got the new disc launching ones aswell. They fly slow (like, swat out of the air slow), but have nice range and are great for bounce shots indoors XD

Tis a shame your not local. Id be at the event like a shot!! Armoury and all!

fireheart
01-09-2012, 01:38 AM
Hehe, I promise you the drop bears will not be visiting :p

I have the tools for modding-my boyfriend modded one of those 1-shot pistols by removing the air-restrictor (not the one that you have to pump to fire, the one with a trigger) and it is POWERFUL. A friend of ours modded his Barricade and had a similar reaction.

I am definitely thinking along the lines of a Longshot as my primary weapon, with the Alpha trooper and the pistol attachment from the Longshot as my backups. I cannot find the Longstrike ANYWHERE in my state at the moment, so the Longshot will do.

My current list is looking like THIS at the moment:

-Longshot
-Alpha Trooper
-1 x Clip pack.
-1 x Tactical Vest. (since I can't find the bandolier). That's if it will FIT, since the vest is designed for someone who's 5'5" and I'm slightly over that :lol:

My boyfriend has roughly 8 clips/drums total (the 35-dart drum, 3 18-dart clips and 4 6-dart clips) so we're going to share the clips out between the two of us for the day: he's going to keep his 35-dart drum and 2 of his 18-clips, I'm getting one of those 18-clips, plus the 18-drum from the Alpha and then we're going to divvy out the remaining clips between us. (He's decided that while he'll be taking the Vulcan there (modded), his primary weapon for the day will be his Stampede and his backup is going to be his raider)

ETA: The person who's organising the Nerf War ALSO has some of the disc guns. I am so keeping her on our side :lol:.

ApolloSZ
01-09-2012, 01:54 AM
Personally I'd give up on the longstrike, I've heard its rather underwhelming. I could be mistaken tho.

Now, you mentioned the Longshots pistol. Just to be sure, you know thats a pump and fire, then load another dart in manually right? Other than that it looks like a good list. For your backup, I'd recommend a Maverick if you can. They are reliable and rediculously easy to mod. e.g. T brought 4, 1 each for our friends. We modded them (Restrictors, springs, fully opening chamber) in an hour flat.

I take it your having this inside? Then yes, the discs are great for shooting aroud corners up to almost 360 degrees XD.

fireheart
01-09-2012, 03:16 AM
Personally I'd give up on the longstrike, I've heard its rather underwhelming. I could be mistaken tho.

Now, you mentioned the Longshots pistol. Just to be sure, you know thats a pump and fire, then load another dart in manually right? Other than that it looks like a good list. For your backup, I'd recommend a Maverick if you can. They are reliable and rediculously easy to mod. e.g. T brought 4, 1 each for our friends. We modded them (Restrictors, springs, fully opening chamber) in an hour flat.

I take it your having this inside? Then yes, the discs are great for shooting aroud corners up to almost 360 degrees XD.

No, outside. I plan on scoping out the park sometime this week since it's in the city centre.

lordlundar
01-09-2012, 04:40 PM
You're going to want to be careful with the 18 dart clips with the longshot or it could really mess your accuracy up. The design was to accommodate the 6 dart clip with the tripod and an 18 would ensure you can't tilt very high. In fact, the butt storage part with a clip on it ensures you're not getting a very high tilt as it is. If you use the 18 clip on it, best to use it open hand and forgo the tripod.

fireheart
01-09-2012, 11:23 PM
You're going to want to be careful with the 18 dart clips with the longshot or it could really mess your accuracy up. The design was to accommodate the 6 dart clip with the tripod and an 18 would ensure you can't tilt very high. In fact, the butt storage part with a clip on it ensures you're not getting a very high tilt as it is. If you use the 18 clip on it, best to use it open hand and forgo the tripod.

I had no plans on using a tripod with it. My boyfriend's sentry gun already covers that. :lol:

fireheart
01-10-2012, 09:26 AM
OK, can someone please give me advice on painting my guns? I am thinking steampunk style.

ApolloSZ
01-10-2012, 07:50 PM
Start with fine sand paper (like 800 grit or better, probably 1000) - To take the shine off the guns otherwise you risk the paint rubbing/flaking off. And your painting/alterations is best done with the gun dissassembled ofcourse :) so you can keep the internals from being stuck together.

If you want to add cosmetic touches like cogs and pipes, try getting ones made out of plastic, and use plastic glue (NOT super glue) as this essentially welds the plastic together. Use Superglue/epoxy's if its metal to plastic.

How do you want to paint it? Spray/Airbrush/Brush? If you can, I'd reccommend Airbrush, you go through paint a bit quicker, but it goes on so, SO smooth and fine. Which is great considering the moving parts etc. Spray painting will be fine for overall colour, but you'll most likely need to use brushes for details etc.

I don't know what the rules are in Aus, but here (I think its law but I do this to be safe) I marked off the barrell tips in Masking tape, so they stay bright orange. Internal workings I either took right out of the gun, or covered aswell.

If your brushing the paint on, don't be afraid to water the paint slightly so it goes on thin. Multiple thin coats is better than one thick one. Personally I'd use a spray base coat atleast. Dark (Black, Dark grey etc) if you want dark colours (or brass, metal etc which go on black basecoat nicely), light (White etc) if you want a brighter gun.

The first one I painted was done by brush (no pics unfortunately) - but I've painted Xbox controllers with the airbrush these days. And want to paint a nerf gun again now, darn you :P

Anything specific you want to know?

fireheart
01-10-2012, 11:15 PM
Start with fine sand paper (like 800 grit or better, probably 1000) - To take the shine off the guns otherwise you risk the paint rubbing/flaking off. And your painting/alterations is best done with the gun dissassembled ofcourse :) so you can keep the internals from being stuck together.


How do you want to paint it? Spray/Airbrush/Brush? If you can, I'd reccommend Airbrush, you go through paint a bit quicker, but it goes on so, SO smooth and fine. Which is great considering the moving parts etc. Spray painting will be fine for overall colour, but you'll most likely need to use brushes for details etc.

I don't know what the rules are in Aus, but here (I think its law but I do this to be safe) I marked off the barrell tips in Masking tape, so they stay bright orange. Internal workings I either took right out of the gun, or covered aswell.

Anything specific you want to know?

Out of that list, I plan on disassembling the gun to the best of my abilities, and then whatever can't be disassembled I can going to tape over.

I was thinking a combination of spray paint and dry brush or similar, I kind of want that "worn" effect to it. So far I'm thinking the main colour to be gunmetal with brass "fittings". (i.e have the yellow parts gunmetal and the orange parts brass)

I'm keeping the clips orange for two reasons: 1) safety reasons and 2) once I get the clips, they are going to be loaded so I don't lose the darts. Paint tends to eat at the foam in the darts. I will check in with the police beforehand though regarding the legalities. (in general, airsoft guns are banned as are BB guns, but I'll check in with them regarding replicas)

Only specific question I want to know and this can come from anyone is how to get that "worn" look? I was thinking dry-brushing, but I have no idea how to do it or what to use.

If this comes out well, I eventually plan on putting together a steampunk outfit for AvCon this year. :D

LillFilly
01-11-2012, 02:40 AM
I'd say the Raider and the Maverick. My boyfriend modifies nerf guns, giving them over twice the range. Sometimes he can combine the parts from two together, put more powerful motors in, etc. If you power up a belt fed too much though, you get a lot of jams.

Don't get taken in by 'modified' nerf guns on ebay. A lot of them just have a nice paint job, but nothing's been done on the inside to make them more powerful.

ApolloSZ
01-11-2012, 02:43 AM
Picturing the Alpha trooper and longshot thats alot of paint XD

Drybrushing is a technique where you get some paint on your brush, then start wiping it off until their is almost none left and the lightly brush over the surface. Always move the brush in the same direction for a uniform look, move the object to get to other areas.

For a worn look, you'll want to use lighter colours on edges, and on surfaces which would be 'moving' alot, where it'd be rubbed alot with ages of use (i.e. along the cocking mechanisms).

So for instance a brass colour, heavy drybush/straight paint of say burnished gold, the a finer paint over less area using shining gold (I'm using GW paints as a reference, but may have those two around the wrong way). GW's Gunmetal would be highlighted with Mithril silver, and a Badab Black wash. (OMG their washes are awesome lol) to blend it better.

You'd want dark/black colours in creases/crevices where dirt etc would build up. Which again the washes are awesome for. In lieu of washes, you can use very watered down paint.

You can get a masking fluid aswell. Using say a car for an example, you'd paint gunmetal on some areas as a 'under' colour, let it dry. Paint the masking fluid over it in a line (like a scratch) and let it dry too. Then paint the car its planned colour (i.e. red, cos its faster XD) - once this is dry, you'll see where you painted the masking fluid, peel this off, and the metal will show through like a scratch.

When I get home I'll find you some links to vids etc if you want, unless someone here beats me to it.

Heres a link to a Nerf Maverick in Steampunk style. (go google images!) - You can see a few extra bits for the theme. The lighter colours on raised surfaces/contours and physical scratches/cuts hes done.
http://www.jeremyclough.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/steam1.jpg

fireheart
01-11-2012, 06:24 AM
Picturing the Alpha trooper and longshot thats alot of paint XD



Even if I only get one done in time, that's fine by me :lol:

fireheart
01-12-2012, 02:12 AM
I GOT IT!!!!


Got lucky on my second try hunting for the gun and found it on sale at Myers (upscale department store). Probably a good thing too: the Longshot can go for around $80 at Toys R Us :eek:. This was $45.

My second gun will be the Alpha trooper if I can get it, failing that, I'll see about getting a Recon as my backup. (The Target near me did not carry the Alpha Trooper at all, they only had the Spectre, Recon and Deploy)

Mishi
01-12-2012, 03:51 AM
*Happy dance* Yay!! Myers is pretty awesome, Jazzy picked up a Barbie kitchen set with doll for $9.60 the other day (down from $54 :eek:) and the End of Season sales are amazing. Hope you're able to find the Alpha Trooper.

ApolloSZ
01-12-2012, 04:04 AM
Pro-tip

The Recon looks really comically funny with a 36 dart drum connected to it XD


And also, congrats! :) I'll try remember links tonight. And I'd be interested in pics when your done painting!

fireheart
01-12-2012, 04:42 AM
*Happy dance* Yay!! Myers is pretty awesome, Jazzy picked up a Barbie kitchen set with doll for $9.60 the other day (down from $54 :eek:) and the End of Season sales are amazing. Hope you're able to find the Alpha Trooper.

Well I'll be in the CBD tomorrow which DOES have a Target and a Toyworld, so I'll have a look there for the Alpha Trooper.
The Longshot was about the same price at Big W, but they didn't have any in stock (at the 2 near me) so Myer was my second choice. Neither Kmart or Target carry the Longshot. Toys R Us and Toyworld here do though.

I also checked in with the police: as long as it's made clear that it's plastic underneath and also incapable of firing anything but foam rubber darts, then it should be OK. So my paint job will pretty much leave the end of the barrel untouched on both guns, as well as keeping the N-Strike logo on the Longshot stock.

Bought some black paint today for the undercoat.

As for my sidearm, my choices are between the Alpha Trooper, the Barricade or the Maverick.

fireheart
01-14-2012, 12:26 AM
OK my sidearm is picked up. I went for the Barricade. (main reason being that the point of said backup is that it's meant to be for when the clips are empty) :lol:

Currently in the process of sanding them both down so that the paint will stick, however they aren't getting painted until I mod them out so that I know how to put them back together after dismantling them for painting.

My plan regarding the paints will HAVE to be acrylic mixed with glue so that it sticks, then a top clear coat to seal them in. I also brought a couple of steel brushes (they look a little bit like toothbrushes) and I can probably get away with achieving the dry-brush effect that way.

ApolloSZ
01-14-2012, 12:52 PM
I wants the pics when your done :)

With the barriade only mod I can think of is altering the voltage or motors. Havent modded an electric one yet

fireheart
01-14-2012, 12:59 PM
With the barriade only mod I can think of is altering the voltage or motors. Havent modded an electric one yet

Friend of mine modded his barricade so it makes a lower hum...mostly by changing the batteries. Mine with fresh AA batteries like the manual, makes a very loud whir.