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    So this dude, Frankie, I'll call him, calls up. And I know I'm gonna be on the phone for at least 15 minutes. Frankie calls and will give you the history of his life, the universe, and everything if you let him. You have to interrupt and keep him on track. Also, he doesn't actually come to our library. Normally, I have no problem answering anyone's questions--they don't have to be a patron--but Frankie's been pawned off on us from Big 'Brary, where they absolutely refuse to help him. Probably because he can spout a lot of ignorant offensive crap (see below) and because if you're not 'helping' him in the way he wants, he gets belligerent. So instead of placing holds with Big 'Brary, where he actually picks up his items, he places them with us and we make the holds to be sent to Big 'Brary. Fine, fine. And instead of calling their Reference desk to get obscure phone numbers (Christian physicians and the Amish in PA are the two most memorable recent requests), he calls us. Fine. Whatever.

    I figured this phone call would be more of the same, since I've dealt with him a lot recently.

    Wrong!

    Today's theme was: Jewish history. Blood libel.
    Today's phone time was: 32 minutes.
    Today's offensive comments: lost count. I had to put him on hold multiple times to screw up my face in fury and frustration.

    Frankie: ramble, ramble ramble, Judaism, ramble, I'm a Christian and I want to learn about Judaism. ramble. ramble. ramble.
    Me: Ooookay, could we narrow this down? [paraphrasing, alas, as you must handle Frankie with kid gloves]
    Frankie: Do you want me to repeat myself? [testy voice!]
    Me: [use of hold button the first! gah! finds some books on Judaism of the Idiot's Guide ilk but without that term since I know he'd flip his shit if I mention it. He's a <i>researcher</i>]
    Me: Okay, I've found some books, would you like the titles so you can tell me which ones you'd like?
    Frankie: incoherent ramble about coworker 'Cheri' who helped him last week and had titles for him.
    Me: We don't have a Cheri. How about those books I found? Can I at least read you one title before you ramble again?
    Frankie: RAMBLE RAMBLE you don't have a Cheri? Tell me who helped me!
    Me: Number of staff > 2. Number of staff > 10. No can do. Also, waaaay too creepy listing off people's names. And we've got like 3 hard 'C' names (mind included), 4 that end in 'i' or 'y', one with the 'sh' sound, and one with the 'ry' sound. So, no.
    Frankie: GRUMBLE ramble ramble.
    Me: Books? I haz. You wants?
    Frankie: I want books on Jewish history. Cheri found me books on Jewish history about the people who really run our country ever since the Native Indians and the murdering people who came over from Europe.
    Me: I'm sorry, and you wanted <i>Jewish</i> history books?
    Frankie: Yes [testy voice!]! I'm a Christian man and I research things I read books you know and I want to know--
    Me: [interrupting librarian who?]: It's just that what you were describing doesn't fit with what I know about Judaism. But I do have some--
    Frankie: Oh, are you Jewish?
    Me: No, I'm not.
    Frankie: Oh, but you have knowledge?
    Me: [eyeroll] Yes.
    Frankie: most horrific ramble about blood libel. . . don't you know that he read in a book that talked about how the Jews in Europe used to sacrifice--that means kill--their children and then when they ran out (of children??) they used Christian children and sacrifice--and that means kill, you know--them in their rituals.
    Me: [horrified use of the hold button the second]
    Me: Okay, so I've got some history books that go from XXX through medieval Europe and to present day--
    Frankie: [asks for book details]
    Me: [gives book details, relieved to be off that topic]
    Frankie: ramble ramble ramble book on modern Judaism? ramble ramble
    Me: [starts to list title]
    Frankie: ramble ramble when was that book written diatribe on how religions are covering things up
    Me: [??] 2012. Pretty new. Did you want new books or old books?
    Frankie: Old. And new! And one in between.
    Me: [?] So the one I found covers history from XXX to modern times . . .?
    Frankie: Good! Now one that's 50 years old. Because religions are changing things. Hiding them. So that the bad things are swept under the rug. Because religions are manmade you know. God didn't make religion. Jesus didn't make religion. Religion is manmade and I read that the Jewish people would sacrifice--that means kill--children.
    Me: That is not consistent with what I know about Judaism.
    Frankie: I study religions, but I don't know about Judaism. I study religions, it's what I do. I read books and articles and watch movies and I read it in a book about how the Russians survived the Black Plague using Penicillin in the form of raw garlic so its true.
    Me: It's possible that was a biased source.
    Frankie:[lists why its facts about the Russians surviving the plauge with raw garlic make blood libel true]
    Me: [can we talk about something else?] Soooo, how about this old book from 1937 on Judaism, does that work?
    Frankie: ramble ramble Italian mafia, Russia mafia, Jewish mafia, Polish mafia ramble ramb--
    Me: So, I've ordered you Jewish History 2012, Jewish History 1937 and I'll find you a nice one about modern practices, mmmkay?
    Frankie: You've been so helpful! Thank you and God Bless.
    Me: GDIAF. I mean, you too.

    Amazingly the actual conversation was much longer and included rants about the 'Poison Pen' letters he's gotten from Big 'Brary and how they won't help him and how he likes our director because she sent him a letter that identified herself as a Christian and sounded like he was being persecuted because he's Christian and it was so brave our director to out herself as a Christian, too, and he's so much more comfortable calling us because of that and he's a good Christian ad nauseaum.

  • #2
    I'm not going to derail this into fratching, but I would like to point out one thing.


    Ever notice how some people are just SOOOOo certain they're being picked on and persecuted for their *insert political/social/religious viewpoint here*, blithely unaware that it's because they're an overbearing jerk?

    When the world seems to have it out for you, consider who the common denominator is in ALL your social interactions.....
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    • #3
      Can;t you ban the guy for being a pain in the ass?

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      • #4
        Quoth camjuniper View Post
        ...and he's so much more comfortable calling us because of that and he's a good Christian ad nauseaum.
        No, he isn't. True Christians are not anti-Semitic. And that's all I will say before we end up in Fratching territory.
        Quoth Argabarga View Post
        When the world seems to have it out for you, consider who the common denominator is in ALL your social interactions.....
        Precisely! The world doesn't hate him because he's a "christian". The world hates him because he's an ASSHOLE!!!
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        • #5
          Quoth Argabarga View Post
          When the world seems to have it out for you, consider who the common denominator is in ALL your social interactions.....
          You'd think it's be a simple conclusion for them, because they are the center of the universe dontcha know. Everyone else is just jealous of their extreme power to... feel persecuted? Never mind the rest of us think it's more delusion than power.
          If I make no sense, I apologize. I'm constantly interrupted by an actual toddler.

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          • #6
            Good job on NOT veering into fratching with this, all. Lets please keep it that way.

            Continue to focus on the guy being a sucky asshat, not the religious persecution part.

            Thanks!
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            • #7
              What a fine specimen of racist, antisemitic conspicacy a*hole. Any chance you can pawn him off to yet another library? And what's with that letter he got from your director?
              Poor Camjuniper
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              • #8
                Quoth Peppergirl View Post
                Continue to focus on the guy being a sucky asshat, not the religious persecution part.
                Yeah, he's not a Christian asshat, he's an asshat. He's not a research asshat, he's an asshat. He's not an asshat asshat, he's. Wait, that one's true.

                Cam, I don't know how you do it. My tolerance for that kind of thing is way low even before the fact that someone is getting a service for free enters the picture. I'm also curious as to why Big 'Brary can pawn him off and you folks can't.

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                • #9
                  Maybe ask the bigger library what they had to do to "not have to deal with" him, and enact it there...?

                  More to the point, I've heard of call centers that do not allow workers to hang up for any reason, but a library? o_O I'm just curious if your managers would allow you some leeway or just allow you guys to quietly hang up on him without responding whenever he crosses the line? Sooner or later, he'll hopefully either get the message, or just stop calling because he's sick of the ...*ahem*..."random disconnects"
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                  • #10
                    Quoth EricKei View Post
                    Maybe ask the bigger library what they had to do to "not have to deal with" him, and enact it there...?

                    More to the point, I've heard of call centers that do not allow workers to hang up for any reason, but a library? o_O I'm just curious if your managers would allow you some leeway or just allow you guys to quietly hang up on him without responding whenever he crosses the line? Sooner or later, he'll hopefully either get the message, or just stop calling because he's sick of the ...*ahem*..."random disconnects"
                    I'm wondering about this also. If Big 'Brary was allowed to shut him down, why isn't yours doing the same thing? Or at least cut him off until he learns to (a) Stay on target, and (b) keep his anti-everything-else opinions to himself?

                    My sympathies. I could NOT deal with this guy with any level of patience more than once. After that I'd either quietly put the phone down on the desk and go back to work, letting him scream himself hoarse, or just hang up.

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                    • #11
                      Not sure if you could get away with this, but I'd sure be taking a plastic shopping bag and scrunching it up over the phone and then hanging up.

                      "Whoops! Darn that bad connection!"

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                      • #12
                        My director is obnoxiously sympathetic to this guy, though she is OK with us setting limits, timewise and such. She gives him special treatment because he's got some kind of memory issue. So the letter was her response to his absolute need to have a Christian doctor, which was a puzzler to me.

                        Given his memory issues I think I'll take you guys up on the 'accidental' hang ups . . . .

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                        • #13
                          Quoth camjuniper View Post
                          My director is obnoxiously sympathetic to this guy,
                          Bah! She hasn't to deal with him on a regular base. Forward the calls to her and see how fast that'll get him a well deserved ban.
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                          • #14
                            Just remember -- if he says something really that bad, don't respond to it at all in a way he could hear. That would just give him ammo if he ever does catch on. You could always pull a "OK, lemme look that up now...Ah! I think you could look at thi----" *dialtone*

                            Might be wise to first express your - and others' - concerns about his language and attitude to the director. One person complains? "Isolated incident" or "Cam just doesn't like him for no good reason" as far as Management is concerned ---- Half of the staff gets together with well-organized, well-written complaints with a common theme? She'll have to at least try to do something about it. Don't let on that you guys are aware that she is giving him "special treatment" - he's a customer like any other, good or ill.
                            Last edited by EricKei; 10-07-2013, 12:11 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Nothing frosts me more when speaking to a customer than when they start with the anti-anygroup-type remarks. If they are generally polite (except for the racism, ugh) I just complete the call to the best of my ability but I tend to be totally cold and mechanical about it. If they start in with vulgarity or really outrageous crap, though, then I warn them to stop or I won't be able to complete the call. I hate calls like that.
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