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  • In Which Human Rights Are Potentially Violated

    I was really unsure as to where to post this, if to post it at all.. Bear with me, I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

    (Admin, feel free to move this, if necessary, or if it does indeed become a "War Story")

    (I'm a cashier at a small grocery store)

    BG- We have a regular customer, I will call him "Mr D." Mr D is severely autistic, is in his late 40's to early 50's, and is barely verbal. He will parrot back what you say to him in clipped words, just enough to confirm that he understood you, and/or to make himself understood ("Do you want a bag?" "Yeah, bag") Mr D comes in to shop once a week, and I am not exaggerating when I say he spends ALL day in the store. 8+ hours. The reason for this is his unique shopping style- he purchases his groceries one item at a time. He will purchase one item, wrap it in a plastic bag, then put it in a paper bag, and stash it in the corner (by the magazine rack where very few people bother to go). Then back into the store for his next purchase. Another plastic bag, another paper bag, one item per bag, until, by the end of his shopping, he has three carts filled with single items in single bags. It's just his thing. Yes, it can be a pain in the ass for us cashiers, especially on busy days (I once kept track for ha-ha's, and over my 6 hour shift, I'd waited on him 25 times) But he is not demanding or rude, he doesnt make eye contact, and once you are familiar with his routine, it's not much of a hassle to accomodate.

    The only problem Mr D has is with loud noises/chaotic noise, namely in the form of crying babies and shrieking toddlers. For this reason, he tends to shop on our senior citizen day, when the majority of patrons are quiet elderly folks. When loud kids do show up, Mr D can get very agitated, and if it doesn't ease up quickly enough for him, he will have a bit of a tantrum...think: RainMan in the airport, without the screaming. Pacing fast in circles, hand-flapping, head-slapping, incoherant panic babble, tears. I've only witnessed it once, and my heart broke- even though he's much older than me, all I could think was "Oh, that poor kid".

    Now, my CSM is wonderful with him, having an autistic son of her own at home. When she sees him getting nervous, she will take him outside and talk him down, "You're okay, Mr D. You're not going to get upset.." and he will calm down for her, rock back and forth and repeat "I'm ok, not upset" and eventually the noise leaves and he resumes his weird little shopping ritual. He now seems drawn to her, as if knowing she will keep the scary noises away from him.

    A couple of weeks ago, a woman with two small toddlers (like 2 and 3 yrs) and a newborn was in my line. The baby was crying, the kids were play-fighting, yelping and giggling, screeching and hooting...Mr D started his pacing, we could tell he was getting upset. CSM did her magic and calmed him down. That wasn't good enough for another lady that was in line. If there was a soapbox in sight, she would've jumped on it, that was how loudly she was preaching, that "people like that" shouldn't be out in public, how "nervous" "people like that" make her, etc. She had other customers agreeing with her, and I was just hoping the stock-boys had already put away the tiki-torches for the season, sure she would soon start passing out pitchforks.

    If you are still reading, thank you...I'm getting to the point now...

    Yesterday, Mr D was in, doing his thing, and that same bitchy lady also happened to be in the store, with her toddler granddaughter. I did not witness whatever happened, but the word I got was that the toddler was crying, Mr D got nervous and went to the service desk to find CSM. Apparently offended, the bitchy lady also headed to the service desk and there was some kind of confrontation. Service desk is not far from where I work; I dont think Mr D had a full fit, or I would've heard it. All I know is that within a few minutes, two police officers entered the store with papers in hand, and our spineless new manager went ahead and signed them. A "no-trespass" order against Mr D.
    Cops approached him and I heard every word.

    Cop: "Ok, Mr D, it's time for you to go now.."
    Mr D: "Yeah, go now."
    Cop: "You're gonna leave this store and you are not to come back, you got it?"
    Mr D:" Yeah, come back, come back Saturday"
    Cop: "Do you HEAR ME? If you come back, you're going to jail!"

    At this point, Mr D was getting agitated, from the cop trying to get close to him and the loud voice she was using, so he was doing his fast-pacing thing, hand-flapping, and the cop was making matters worse by trying to get in his face, raising her voice louder..

    Cop:" If you dont knock it off RIGHT NOW, I'm gonna put you in handcuffs, Mr D, are you LISTENING to me? I will put you on the ground, put you in handcuffs, put you in my POLICE CAR and take you to JAIL! You CANNOT be in this store, hassling people. You need to leave this store NOW and NEVER come back" and she's basically chasing him in circles, grabbing at him, trying to put the papers in his hand.

    Eventually, a few employees were able to calm him down, someone called his caretaker to come pick him and his groceries up, and someone sat outside waiting with him. The cop kept making remarks to those of us at the registers "Is he always LIKE THIS? Is he in here every day? Why does he have so many bags? I'll bet you'll be glad not to deal with him anymore, huh?"

    I just kept my eyes down and pretended not to hear any of it. Once the dust settled, we (cashiers) all kinda looked at each other and said "That was so unnecessary." and more than one of us had tears in our eyes. Meanwhile, CSM was having it out with upper management in the parking lot. This all happened just a few minutes before I was due to count down my till and clock out, which I am not supposed to do with out my CSM, but I did it anyway.
    I went out to the parking lot and found my CSM, crying in her car. We talked for about a half hour. I wont reiterate the conversation word for word, but the gist was:

    -Mr D is NOT capable of being served with legal papers, the way that cop was trying to force them into his hand.
    -He didn't understand a single thing that just happened, all he knew was people were being loud and scary to him.
    -Cop had no right to threaten him the way she did. He's operating with a very low mental-age, as far as we can tell, from years of dealing with him. Threatening to "put him on the ground and handcuff him" is just cruel.
    -Manager should not have signed the No Trespass. Mr D has never harmed or threatened anyone. He gets scared. And even his "tantrums" are not threatening, they are sad (at least to anyone with a heart) At most, perhaps Manager could somehow just stipulate that Mr D not shop unattended (we've all said this from time to time, that his caretaker really should be with him when he's out in public)
    -The customer who called the police is a fear-mongerer and attention-whore. A small mentally-handicapped man in tears because children's loud noises scare him is in no way threatening to anyone but himself.

    CSM was debating driving away and never coming back. I was glad to find out that she did eventually go back in, would hate for her to lose the job over this.

    I apologise for the length of this, but for almost 2 days now it's been bouncing around my brain and I just had to get it out. I can't say I'll totally miss him, because, yeah, it was a bit of a pain in the ass sometimes. But he never hurt anyone, his shopping ritual seemed important to him, and he was just treated so harshly and unfairly, it was hard to witness, and seeing how upset my CSM was over it...it was just a sucky situation, which didnt need to happen, except that one bitchy customer wanted to start shit.

    Today was my day off and I got a text from a CW, that CSM and store's security team is reviewing tapes, asked me if I remember the date from a few weeks ago when he had the tantrum. I'm assuming, in the hopes of proving that he is in no way threatening to anyone. It happened at my register, so I would be the one to ask. And I intend on being as helpful as I can.

    I just don't think this story is over yet...

  • #2
    If there was a soapbox in sight, she would've jumped on it, that was how loudly she was preaching, that "people like that" shouldn't be out in public, how "nervous" "people like that" make her, etc.
    Yeah, well people like her bug me a hell of a lot more than "people like that"! He can't help his actions. She CAN, and SHOULD.

    This situation is just wrong on so many levels. Thanks to you and CSM for trying to help Mr. D. I sure hope things work out for him.
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    • #3
      Manager & cop need to be sat upon... an elephant seems about right... seems like sat needs to be spelled with an 'H' somewhere in it...

      An immediate reach out to a disabled rights organization in your area seems called for.
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      • #4
        Quoth dalesys View Post
        Manager & cop need to be sat upon... an elephant seems about right... seems like sat needs to be spelled with an 'H' somewhere in it...

        An immediate reach out to a disabled rights organization in your area seems called for.
        Not a bad idea. CSM is worried about being fired/suspended/demoted for verbally disagreeing in front of the mgr and cops. I told her the ACLU would be interested in such a story, should it come to that
        Feeling like I shouldnt have typed this out/posted it, cuz it just upset me all over again
        But thank you guys, and thank you, CS as a whole, for giving me a place to get it out!

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        • #5
          Hey, that's why we're here. Sometimes, putting something all down on paper (virtual or otherwise) can help you deal with it.
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          • #6
            The store has more to worry about that some little.... I'll call her a woman. What they did to Mr D will cause much more grief should this hit the news. It's just the kind of thing they love. "Man kicked out of store because he is disabled" makes for great headlines. Spineless Manager will have to explain himself to a lot of people above him.

            I hope someone calls a disabled rights group and tell them what happened. This kind of thing can not be allowed to go unreported.

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            • #7
              Uh, "people like that"?? I really can't put down how I feel about that statement. The closest I can get is the person who said it is just about the lowest scum. What if her grandchild was "like that"? I don't know how, but I hope she gets exactly what's coming to her.
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              • #8
                Thank you for caring.
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                • #9
                  Quoth notalwaysright View Post
                  Uh, "people like that"?? I really can't put down how I feel about that statement. The closest I can get is the person who said it is just about the lowest scum. What if her grandchild was "like that"? I don't know how, but I hope she gets exactly what's coming to her.

                  That was also part of the conversation we had...what happens in a few years when this two year old enters into the public school system, and is seated next to an autistic child, a child with Down's Syndrome, or a deaf child in her class? What is she being taught now, about special needs, or just humanity in general?
                  And the way the police treated this man, as if he were a crackhead on a crime-spree, when he had no comprehension of what was going on. The whole episode just left a bad taste in my mouth.
                  As an employee, I did what was expected/accepted, kept my eyes down and my mouth shut...but as a mother, as a HUMAN, I just wish there was something I could've done.
                  We'll see where it goes. Been talking to my CSM, and as I said, I dont think the story ends here...

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                  • #10
                    it sounds to me like the store banned the wrong customer.
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                    • #11
                      The manager, the caretaker and cop need to be fired. Caretaker should be charged for adult abuse and neglect.

                      Bigot lady needs to be banned for life from all stores owned by your corporate. Not just your version of your grocery story, but every type of store owned by the holding company of the holding company right up to the top level. If she steps foot on any of their properties she should be arrested.

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                      • #12
                        Formal complaints should be filed against the manager and the cops. I'd be shouting this from every rooftop I could climb. This sort of thing is personal to me. While my son is not autistic, he is disabled (uses a wheelchair/walker/cane depending on the day) and has some quirks that have caused negative reactions from others (we do, of course, work with him to try to minimize those quirks).

                        Also, I agree with the previous poster who said they banned the wrong person. That thing disguised as a human is a disgusting specimen. I hope one day karma catches up with her.
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                        • #13
                          I know this is going to be difficult but hearme out: Someone should call the local newspaper. See if the editorial dept is interested in a human rights/human interest-type story. Be polite, not pushy, and have facts (you don't have to give out a lot of names if you are (understandably) worried about your job.

                          And definitely call the local human services agencies. Mr. D. was singled out, harassed and bullied, by the cops AND by that other customer.

                          As for that woman: Another case of bigotry mixed with "How DARE anybody express displeasure at being near MY little angels!!!" What. A. Bitch.
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                          • #14
                            I have a background in volunteering with special needs people, children and adults, and I can tell you that I'd be the one kicking the bitchy customer out of the store and perma-banning her. What she did is classified as discrimination, and borderline hate crime. For that matter, the manager is just as guilty for allowing any of that to happen.

                            Yes, Mr. D should have had a caregiver with him, but it is pretty clear that he is not a threat to anybody. Even when he is having a meltdown. And that CSM is able to help is wonderful - it allows Mr. D to semi-function like any other human being deserves to function. However, knowing what I do about home support work, I will not blame Mr. D's caretaker - there are probably not enough hours alloted for Mr. D to have a 24/7 caretaker if he is on government support. And I am pretty sure there is no other real money coming in so that he or his family could pay for a private caretaker. Anything else I have to say on the matter is likely to veer into Fratching territory.

                            The cop needs sensitivity training, at the very least. Suspended without pay or just plain fired at the most.

                            If this was occurring in my neck of the woods I'd be out for blood. I am not above publicly humiliating people like that bitch when it comes to shoving their hatred back into their face. Mama Bear is PISSED!

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                            • #15
                              Another one for the disability rights group and the ACLU.

                              I'd also be encouraging the perma-ban and I'm sure the media would LOVE to get their hands on something like this
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