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    It's not even lunch time this beautiful Twaturday and I've encountered the first SC of the day. Usually they wait until at least 1pm, but not today, no.

    Enter one old woman so wizened, I'd swear she acquires a new wrinkle for each time she's evil to someone. Unfortunately, she's also one of our regulars and very well known for her behaviour as a result. You know the type, the ones who will literally argue about everything and anything.

    Today our debit/ credit chip and pin machines are out of order, so any customer wishing to pay with card, needs us to manually swipe the card and the customer then signs the receipt. Just like the good old days.
    For the majority of customers this isn't a problem, but oh no, witchy woman has to make a scene because...well I'll let you be the judge of this suck.

    WW: I'm paying for this (handing me a bag full of sweets) on card.

    Me: No problem, our card machines aren't working properly at the moment, so you'll need to sign for the transaction, is that ok?

    WW: Why?! You don't need my signature.

    Me: I'm afraid if you're intending to pay on card a signature is required. We can still take cash if you don't want to sign.

    WW: I don't WANT to pay with cash, I want to pay by card but I'm not giving you my signature, how do I know you won't keep it and do something else with it later?! Anyone can fake a signature you know! Pin is much safer, this is ridiculous!!

    (Why is everything suddenly ridiculous the second something is slightly different to the last time they performed a simple task?)

    Me: (attempting to hold my tongue) Then I'm afraid I can't put this transaction through. A signature is required. I don't know that's your card, I would need to compare the Sig on the receipt with the one on the back of your card as confirmation. It's really just to protect the customer.

    WW: Are you suggesting I'm trying to commit fraud?!

    Me: (Thinking: No more than you were suggesting I would commit it, you old bat.) Not at all, but just as you do not know me, I do not know you.

    WW: I come here all the time!

    (She does, but she usually pays cash.)

    Me: That is our policy. I cannot make one rule for one person and one for the rest. I'm sorry. (No I'm not, I'm really not.)

    WW: But ANYONE can fake a signature!!!! This is

    At this point WW begins to repeat how ridiculous everything is, how rubbish the staff are and how she will never come here again. Pah! If only that were true.

    Me: (Finally forgetting to hold my tongue) And anyone can memorize a pin number. Now please, if you aren't going to sign for the transaction you will either need to pay in cash or come back when our chip and pin machines are working. But be aware you are holding up the line.

    WW: (lots of huffing and puffing and mutterings about how crap teenagers are (I'm 33 by the way) but eventually agrees to sign.)

    Me: Thank you, see you next week! (This I said as saccharine as possible.)

    And I'm sure we will « sigh »

  • #2
    I don't think you were out of line saying what you did, it's not only possible it's common. The number of people who admit to using another person's card every day, not caring that they're confessing to fraud... Boggles my mind, but not as much as the people who know their cards require signatures but refuse to sign them! They seem to think that it being signed makes it easier because it gives the thief something to copy, but I just tell them all that if they lost it & I signed it, I could take all their money unchallenged. This is usually a surprise, often an unpleasant realisation!
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    • #3
      Not only that, but siggies on a stylus and pad are often markedly different than on paper.
      Last edited by taxguykarl; 04-21-2015, 05:59 PM.
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      • #4
        Exactly. My normal sweeps and swoops are at least vaguely identifiable as "letters" when put down on paper, but on an electronic pad?? Hell no. I'm lucky if I can draw a sraight line on those x.x
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        • #5
          Thankfully we don't use the stylus and pad option! It's usually straight forward insert card, type in pin when prompted,transaction done. If anything, I'd be happier signing for everything,it's far more difficult to fake a signature, any old person could see you type in your pin and then take your card after.

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          • #6
            Quoth Legacy_of_Torment View Post
            WW: (lots of huffing and puffing and mutterings about how crap teenagers are (I'm 33 by the way) but eventually agrees to sign.)
            Something funny I've noticed about working in the grocery bagging business for over 20 years...customers ALWAYS think you're considerably younger than you actually are, and continuously refer to you as "young man" or "boy". I turn 41 in two months, and I get this ALL the time. I suppose I should find it flattering, but it's more than a bit condescending.

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            • #7
              Quoth Monterey Jack View Post
              Something funny I've noticed about working in the grocery bagging business for over 20 years...customers ALWAYS think you're considerably younger than you actually are, and continuously refer to you as "young man" or "boy". I turn 41 in two months, and I get this ALL the time. I suppose I should find it flattering, but it's more than a bit condescending.

              "I'm 37."
              "What?"
              "I'm 37 - I'm not old."
              "Well I couldn't just call you 'man' could I?"
              "You could say Dennis."
              "I didn't know you were called Dennis."
              "Well you couldn't be bothered to find out, could you?"

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              • #8
                Quoth Monterey Jack View Post
                Something funny I've noticed about working in the grocery bagging business for over 20 years...customers ALWAYS think you're considerably younger than you actually are, and continuously refer to you as "young man" or "boy". I turn 41 in two months, and I get this ALL the time. I suppose I should find it flattering, but it's more than a bit condescending.
                The amount of times someone has said I should be flattered when someone mistakes me for being much younger than I am, it goes into six figures. And you hit the nail on the head there: it really would be flattering if it wasn't spoken in such a condescending way.

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                • #9
                  "Young man" could just mean they're not paying attention/don't really want to look at the "lesser being" (in there eyes) - par for the course. "Boy" (as a form of address), on the other hand, is an overt insult, that carries with it certain unfortunate implications better discussed on Fratching.
                  "For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
                  "The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
                  "Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
                  "There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
                  "Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
                  "Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
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                  • #10
                    I bet

                    I am willing to bet that when the first PIN card came into the stores that this same woman was complaining about having to memorize and punch in her number each and every time when before she just signed for everything.

                    So people you can not please.

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                    • #11
                      They think you're younger because it's classist. You're a server/clerk, so they outrank you. They call you "girl" or "boy," because they are classist.

                      I used to work for an old hag (I'm bitter), who called me "her girl," while on the phone with friends. I hated that, because I wasn't her personal maid. I was the cleaning lady who cleaned her bathroom and kitchen, and vacuumed every other week.

                      One day I showed up, all chipper and ready to go, when she confronted me and said I stole her diamond brooch, and if I wouldn't find it, she would be calling the cops. Luckily I was bonded! Anyway, I couldn't find it, offered to clean, which she refused, and went home. Later, I got a contrite call from her daughter, who had pinned it to the dress she was wearing to an event. The dress was hanging on her bedroom door. She begged me to come back, and my answer was a simple "No." That is the only word I spoke to her.

                      Fucking entitled shits these people are.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth Legacy_of_Torment View Post
                        She does, but she usually pays cash.
                        So she insisted on using her card just so she could bitch.
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                        • #13
                          I'd swear she acquires a new wrinkle for each time she's evil to someone
                          You know, this perfectly describes my neighbor.

                          Sorry you encountered one of her clones.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth Legacy_of_Torment View Post

                            Me: Thank you, see you next week! (This I said as saccharine as possible.)
                            "See you next Tuesday" seems more appropriate for this woman
                            Be Nicer To Retail Workers 2K18, also known as: stop being an incredibly shitty human to people just doing their job.

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                            • #15
                              Instead of saying, "See you next week" you should have said, "See you next time" because of the hidden message.

                              Edit: Dammit, beaten to it, but my point still stands.
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