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  • I'm Just Creeped Out By Work Culture

    So I can't get too specific about all of this since I work for a big chain place, and a lot of this is handed down by corporate. But I just am starting to get super creeped out about the place I work for. (I have a high tolerance for creepery, or I probably would have been creeped out sooner.)

    The training videos had cartoon characters. They were animated cups, fries, and so on. It notably told me that sarcasm was not a way to talk to each-other. (We're sardonic at our branch all the time, which thankfully nobody has mixed up with sarcastic; "Sarcasm" is my favorite brand of humor.)

    We had a mandatory meeting during the first month I was hired. It was all about how great our brand was, how great we were being treated, how great we were as a team, and then we cut out pictures from magazines and made posters of our life goals.

    Then I worked cash register for the first time (that didn't last long) and I had all these programmed phrases I was told I had to work into the conversation. I had to greet them exactly the same way, point them to the special, and so on. Fairly normal, for any place, I think. This is where it gets weird: three months in, they add a new phrase we have to work in. I only took note of it when my general manager started berating a guy for "failing to work it in" for two weeks straight. He said he liked the employee a lot, but if the employee kept it up, he'd have to tell corporate, and move the employee to a position that was better suited to him.

    For not saying a three word phrase. (This phrase is equivalent to "you're welcome.")

    And to step it up a notch: we're expected to say it to each other. I mentioned to another girl how creepy that was, and she told me that she had told the general manager "You're welcome" and he kept repeating what he had said over and over again until she said the phrase instead of "You're welcome."

    The creepy extends to the uniforms. I got a new shirt and realized shortly afterwards that one of our phrases was printed on the inside of the damn thing. Right up next to my heart. Is it supposed to bleed into my soul or something?!

    There's the hypocrisy. We're expected to call in at least three hours before our shift, but they can and will cancel your shift less than twenty minutes before it. (For a while I didn't have a cell phone, and this would cause major problems, as they didn't grasp this concept, and I'd show up for my shift and they'd be confused as to why I was there.) They would always phrase it as a "would you like the day off? We can call someone else if you don't" deal. But I overheard the new manager getting trained on how to handle these calls, and what to do if someone said no. Apparently the answer is "petty revenge." Put the person on the shittiest job in the place, preferably actually cleaning the bathrooms, was the actual example given.

    And my manager being crazy doesn't help matters. He's a man you can't say no to. Not without a good reason. He schedules me bizarre hours that don't make sense (like I'm trained for morning prep, but all next week, I'm scheduled to show up after the store opens. Technically during the morning prep shift, but everything will be done when I get there. Or this week, he had me scheduled into the afternoon prep schedule. I hadn't a clue what I was doing, as I was done with everything I needed to do twenty minutes into the hour.)

    He regularly turns to me and goes "can you stay and do the dishes?" or "I'm gonna have to hold you an extra hour, that won't be a problem will it?" And if someone calls in, he goes around the store first and offers everyone extra shifts. I'm considered to be a pretty limited person for skills--thankfully damn good at what I do, so I can get away with a lot--so he rarely comes to me. I'm 50/50 on whether or not I say yes or no. Depends on factors. But if I say no, his reaction is damn near rote. He will throw a tantrum, remind me that I ask for more hours a lot (I haven't lately, since he schedules me every day he can), and then turn down shifts when offered them.

    Despite all of this though, this job gets me away from my nuttier father, and the marina that is still teetering on the edge of collapse. And it gives me more hours. The only thing I keep weighing is: is it worth it? I know the marina will take me back if I decide to just walk away from this job. I just sometimes feel like I'm living in Office Space's reality.

    Anyone else?

  • #2
    If this is the chain that is known for it's sandwiches, the phrase is correct, but not the attitude the GM is having... maybe talking to the franchise owner is needed, as corporate is really strong on making it a big family.

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    • #3
      Quoth Cooper View Post

      The creepy extends to the uniforms. I got a new shirt and realized shortly afterwards that one of our phrases was printed on the inside of the damn thing. Right up next to my heart. Is it supposed to bleed into my soul or something?!
      Sometimes I think people don't get why the company makes you do some stupid chant or say a pledge ( this did not do well with me because the only pledges I've did start with "to support and defend")

      But yea that shirt thing is over the top. Real skeezer is someone got a good eval or bonus for thinking it up.
      AkaiKitsune
      Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. I’m well aware that dealing with civilians in any capacity will skin your faith in humanity alive, then pickle anything that remains so as to watch it shrivel up into an immortal husk thus reminding you of how dead inside you now are.

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      • #4
        They're taking advantage of group psychology, and the ultimately tribal nature of the 'third chimpanzee' (ie, humans).

        Unfortunately, I can't offer a simple set of google search words and phrases to use to learn more about group psych, but you can start with 'group psychology' and 'social dynamics'.

        Group psychology is used intentionally by many aspects of society. Purposes we can probably all agree with include team cohesiveness among medical personnel and firefighters.
        Police forces are also taught group psychology as a means of riot management and mob management: the best of them use the techniques to disperse riots with minimal damage, and to ensure that mobs (eg panicking mobs fleeing a fire) are channelled towards safety again with minimal chance of people being trampled or crushed.
        In fact, architects and engineers can (and in some cases, have) used these same techniques and have arranged studies to make mob-resistant environments. In one of the edutainment documentaries I watched, widening an architectural bottleneck by a small amount (5 to 10cm - circa 2 to 4 inches) almost doubled the speed in which test subjects evacuated a plane - and eliminated a crushing hazard.
        (Someone would wind up stuck in the gap, being pushed aside into the wall by people pushing past them. Narrowing the gap to one person-width just meant that two people would try to get through and neither could, but widening it that tiny bit extra meant a faster 'flow'.)

        Unfortunately, the same knowledge can be used for despicable purposes as well. I don't think I need to explain those.


        The business use of group dynamics techniques is more controversial.
        Walmart-esque 'group cheers' and social chants call on the same sort of psychological effect that united singing or united recitals can cause. I'm sure almost all of you have felt psychologically uplifted at some point in your lives doing something with a group. Your occasion may have been singing or praying together with your religious community. Or you might have been part of a choir or band. Being part of a sports team, or barracking for your team with others. Giving the Oath of Allegiance (or singing your national anthem, or ...).
        For those of you who have served in armed forces, almost all of you will have felt this at some point among the ceremonies of service.

        Businesses which have a 'group cheer' or some other ceremony are calling on that same effect.
        Seshat's self-help guide:
        1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
        2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
        3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
        4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

        "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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        • #5
          I know it's a cliche, but where do you see yourself in 6 months/2 years+?
          If this job is getting you enough cash/experience/distance away from erratic family to be useful for your future, without jepodising your mental health, stick to it.

          Personally my job does my head in, the co-workers are generally great, as is the cash, but there's no promotion prospects, the lack of respect is offensive and the commute is a killer. For now I'm willing to stick it out for the friendly co-workers and the cash.

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          • #6
            I think it's partly a personality thing. Some of us would feel crushed by having to repeat the same phrases while others wouldn't care. Same thing with being on call and the games they play with shifts. You seem to be able to handle it so I wouldn't say you need to consider quitting. Look at it as good enough until it isn't good enough anymore. Then quit and don't look back.

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            • #7
              Scruff and Shyla are right.

              This is your stepping stone. You've needed to change your life for as long as I've known you: this is one chance. (There will be others, but why not take this one?)

              Determine what you need - emphasis intended - and whether or not a job at this level, in this industry, can achieve that. If not, find an achievable job which will and determine what you need to do to get it.

              You can keep an eye out for good managers in the same industry, and approach those managers to ask them to let you know when they have a fryer job open.

              Remember that this is your life, and you have every right to organise it to suit YOU.
              Seshat's self-help guide:
              1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
              2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
              3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
              4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

              "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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              • #8
                The "where do you see yourself" thing is good advice.

                Today, I feel like I "wasted" many years of my life working in a job where I was always stressed and not happy. I was always good with the math and sciences, but I never applied them to anything in the kitchen. There was no room to advance, neither professionally or intellectually.

                After I got my current job at a high-precision machine shop. I now see many opportunities for me to advance. I could become a Set-up tech, a manager, or even CEO/President (in 20 years and an online degree, which is more education than our founder/CEO had for his 35 years of service lol).

                Look at your strengths and weaknesses. Look for a job that you can make your own. Do you want to run your own business? Do you like to bake? Take pictures? You can do almost anything almost anywhere.
                I might be crazy, but I'm not Insane.

                What? You don't play with flamethrowers on the weekends? You are strange.

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                • #9
                  It's a temp job while I'm in college. I see myself teaching. A conversation between my boss and me says it all:

                  Boss: Can't you just drop your classes? I need you to work more days. (tone is semi-joking.)
                  Me: Well, not really...
                  Boss: Aw, c'mon! Education isn't THAT important! (less joking, still has a front of some joking.)
                  Me: Seeing as I'm an education major I'm obligated to disagree...
                  Boss: I see your point.

                  He let it go.

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                  • #10
                    Ohh, what grade level are you planning to teach?

                    Younger kids are fun but a hand-full. Teens are...... well, politely put, teens (occasionally you get a few that make it worth it) but they do have some nice classes. University teaching sounds like a blast though. I had a math teacher who went to work at a college and she loved it.
                    I might be crazy, but I'm not Insane.

                    What? You don't play with flamethrowers on the weekends? You are strange.

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