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    My town needs a new school, and one of the site's they're looking at is the store. P is betting they want that land for the underground garage (currently used as storage). The ritzy side of town needs a new school more than we do, and there's already a school two blocks away on the main street...what they need is a building that is strictly a middle school (currently they're all K-8). Traffic and congestion on that street would be even worse with cars, city buses, school buses and (if the store remains on the same parcel) delivery trucks most of them trying to get to the same place.

    There was an open town meeting last week. I couldn't go because working, but mom managed to get to it. She said that the room was overflowing; they didn't give them the largest meeting room because I doubt they anticipated the opposition. The meeting also wasn't televised on the public access channel which annoyed a LOT of people who weren't able to get there...if I had known in advance they weren't going to televise it I would have given mom my video camera.

    90% of those in attendance were against the proposal (there was a grand total of three people pro-school from something called "The Village Project"; they left quickly), and the complainer contingent that we mostly hate actually did some good; one old guy kept shouting "You tell us the truth! You never tell the truth, tell it now!" (the town has been very vague about all this and can't even give an estimate of the costs or how long they would be without a grocery store if it goes through, it seems that the only studies they've done are school-related). I get that we need a new school, but this store is the only 'full service' grocery in a central location and most of our customers can't spend the time and money on transportation to the major stores or the prices at the other two local stores--neither of which are full grocery stores.

    A few of our 'challenged' regulars got up and spoke quite articulately about how the store is a lifeline for them as they don't drive and the store delivers if they get to checkout and discover they bought too much (occasionally if I'm able to get away and I know the regular lives in the immediately-surrounding public housing and doesn't have a ride, I will bring the groceries to their building during the day).

    One of the main people to speak against the proposal was the director of the local food bank a few blocks away. The store donates huge amounts of turkeys and trimmings every holiday, as well as 'imperfect' produce on a regular basis and the store and company donates a lot of money so the bank can buy perishable staples or give people vouchers. A large number of our customers are elderly/disabled and don't drive, if the store goes away or closes more people are going to need the food bank but they won't be able to meet demand because the store's gone (and if the store doesn't reopen in a timely manner Corporate may just say "why should we keep donating if we don't have a store here?").

    The surveys and plans for the site were very vague; there was talk of mixed-use behind the school (this prompted mom to wonder if people on the offender registry would be barred from shopping due to the proximity to a school).

    Interesting for sure. The selectmen want to make a decision by September; whatever happens I'd like to have another job in place by then (if not fulltime, then part-time where I can expand my availability if needed).
    Last edited by Dreamstalker; 06-19-2016, 03:02 PM.
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    It sounds like your town is allowing for input from it's residents, which is awesome! I literally can't comment more because it would be a rant. Anyway, hope it works out for your store, unless you're out of there by that time.
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    • #3
      What a cluster. I hope they come to their senses.

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      • #4
        The reason they were considering your location actually does make a lot of sense... an underground parking garage would have to be EXPENSIVE to put in, one already there would be a huge plus.

        However, the objections sound FAR more important. I mean, do they want to actively create a food desert? I hope they make the right decision.

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        • #5
          I was impressed that they allowed as much input as they did from residents; past decisions (such as the wonderful plastic bag ban) have been shoved through in secret/said meetings were never publicized so nobody knew to show up to oppose. They figured correctly that there would be backlash to this, they just didn't know how much.

          I'd like to get a look at the 'studies' that were shown at the meeting, it sounds like there wasn't much thought put into things (one of the proposals was for a recreation/green space adjacent; an aerial view of the lot shows that there's no way to do that without extensive environmental impacts and possibly encroaching on/displacing other property). Since the company doesn't own the lot, the town can take it by eminent domain if they decide they want to.

          I hadn't thought of the food desert; proponents probably figure that since there's a (crappy) Twinkle Market 15 or so blocks away and the two high-end places closer by then that wouldn't apply. The Twinkle Market is even smaller than us and I have customers that live closer to that store yet come here because we're cleaner and have better stuff/nicer employees.
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          • #6
            Even when they do allow the public to participate, there are still all sorts of things that can go wrong. My wife and I went to a number of City Council meetings in the town where we used to live. The Council had made up their minds and were "allowing public comment" because they were required to; it was obvious that anything that we were saying went in one ear and out the other. They looked us in the face and LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH about things like street traffic changes and so on.

            Note I said "used to live". We've moved into a rather less-expensive area that we both think is a better area to boot!
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            • #7
              My town has what's called Town Meeting. The members all live on the ritzy end of town (and likely send their kids to private schools), so they're generally disconnected from the way things really work here.

              The plastic bag/styrofoam cup ban was proposed by a member who saw a Dunkin on Cape Cod using paper cups and decided "this is a great idea!" and pushed through at a meeting; it wasn't seen as important enough to let the residents actually weigh in.
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              • #8
                Mostly what I wish there had been more input about are some traffic revisions, both minor and major. The minor ones just irritate me because the whole logic was "some people feel unsafe, we're going to make this change." Which is nice on paper, but really? Who felt unsafe? Is there any proof that this street was unsafe? Did anyone look into how many people are impacted by this change? Etc, etc.

                The major revision is still causing problems, to the point that even police officers are confused. So, that's not good. Anyway, communication and dialog = good! Sudden arbitrary changes = bad.
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                • #9
                  Quoth notalwaysright View Post
                  The major revision is still causing problems, to the point that even police officers are confused. So, that's not good. Anyway, communication and dialog = good! Sudden arbitrary changes = bad.
                  *reads* It's like they went out of their way to make crosswalks as confusing as possible...

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                  • #10
                    We have a few of those pedestrian-activated crosswalks and nobody can figure them out. One of them is at the crest of a hill on an E/W main road that has the unofficial name of "[Town] Speedway"; going west, drivers are always blinded by the setting sun. The 'normal' flashing lights are yellow, which blend in nicely with the glare in that direction.

                    One of a handful of pedestrian-safety obstacles that nobody knows what the point is (we also have traffic-calming measures that have turned into real hazards on one street).
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