Let's see how this goes

[evilhomer]

I've got a couple of big projects this week. They should be week long jobs, at the absolute least, three day jobs, so of course I've got two days each for them. That's my daily hell with Mickey Mouse Moving, but the monkey wrench in these jobs is that they are active construction zones. There is absolutely no reason for us to be working in active construction zones. We have no safety training to be working in active construction zones. It is idiotic for workers who are installing "finals" items to be doing so while it is an active construction zone. But the morons who schedule these things never consider that construction might fall behind schedule. As a result, the product has been produced and is ready to ship. Nobody is willing to pay for storage, so we're going into the active construction zone.

This is a hell I've lived through multiple times already. This is a losing argument that I've had with my MiM multiple times already.

This time around however, I've got a little bit more information. As always, we're required to wear PPG's (Personal Protective Gear - hard hats, safety vests, steel toes). As always, guys who shouldn't be working in construction zones aren't used to PPG's and don't want to wear them. If caught, this is a hefty fine. What I've recently found out however is that on top of the fine that the worker gets, the supervisor also gets this fine, per offence. Under no circumstances am I taking a fine because one of these morons won't put on a hard hat, so anybody who won't wear one is going to be kicked off site.

I've already advised my MiM of my intentions and I'll give my crew a warning about it when the job starts. No doubt, a few of them are going to test me, that will be a mistake on their part. And with the timeline being it's usual ridiculously tight, this could very well mean missing the deadline.

I'll see how this plays out.

[wolfie]

Just curious, but what happens if construction gets far enough behind schedule that the area you need to do the installation in isn't yet in suitable condition for the installation to be done? For example, the walls aren't drywalled yet, windows aren't in (so the space is exposed to the weather), or worse yet - it's a highrise, and concrete work is still a couple floors below where you're supposed to do the installation?

[evilhomer]

Just curious, but what happens if construction gets far enough behind schedule that the area you need to do the installation in isn't yet in suitable condition for the installation to be done? For example, the walls aren't drywalled yet, windows aren't in (so the space is exposed to the weather), or worse yet - it's a highrise, and concrete work is still a couple floors below where you're supposed to do the installation?

I am waiting for the day when we have to install the rocket packs or anti-gravity modules to desks so that they can be installed on the 14th floor of a hole in the ground.

But I have had situations where we are there to put furniture in and the floor isn't even complete, or the ceiling isn't in, or walls, or any such scenario. I do not give a rodent's rectum about these situations, I call my office and let them make the decision. Whatever they decide is the action I go with. Then I make sure to document the hell out of things and take photos so that when things get damaged and shit hits fans, it's not on me.

[wolfie]

Then I make sure to document the hell out of things and take photos so that when things get damaged and shit hits fans, it's not on me.

I'm sure someone got chewed out over that one - the drain pipe from the bathroom should NEVER be connected to the HVAC ducts.

[eltf177]

"Hey Moe, there's wires in the pipes!"

"So that's why the plumbing doesn't work. Rip them out!"

[Proceed to hook the house's water main into the electrical system...]

Seriously, this sounds like somebody is jumping the gun big time...

[dalesys]

"Hey Moe, there's wires in the pipes!"...

Electricians know that other trades consider conduits the best place to empty the whizzinator...

...which is why the apprentice is stationed at the other end whilst the master blows the gunk out with compressed air...

[evilhomer]

We're never into those kind of things, even the morons I work with know to steer clear of it.

Typically the problem we run into is with dust and debris. The ceilings are never put in because this is a last stage thing, you know, the 2nd last stage before furniture goes in. These guys have to walk all over the furniture, the dust from the work they are doing goes all over everything, stuff gets dropped putting little dings into it, and a few times they've cut tiles on top of the furniture putting nice scratches into it. Sometimes they have to move things around, and they are never put back in place, and sometimes this damages things.

I absolutely love when these things happen. I want the area to be a complete disaster zone, the worse the better. Not that I want to see any of these guys get in trouble, I just want the morons who sent us in there and ordered us to put this stuff in the way to see the shitshow that they created.

[eltf177]

I absolutely love when these things happen. I want the area to be a complete disaster zone, the worse the better. Not that I want to see any of these guys get in trouble, I just want the morons who sent us in there and ordered us to put this stuff in the way to see the shitshow that they created.

You would like to think that a disaster like this would get the point across that this is NOT a good idea and you need to wait until everything's ready.

Then again, I'm using (un)common sense. And it's easier for the suits to put the blame on you than accept any responsibility for their lack of planning...

[Argus]

We have no safety training to be working in active construction zones.

Have you ever had the actual construction workers (or their safety representative) instruct your team to go away in such a case?

[evilhomer]

Have you ever had the actual construction workers (or their safety representative) instruct your team to go away in such a case?

Other than guys getting on us over the PPG, no. (Un)fortunately, safety training is mostly just common sense (don't step into the open elevator shaft, don't cross the line that says 'do not cross', don't walk behind the reversing bulldozer). So for the most part, it's just assumed that we know what we're doing.

But if one of us ever does get hurt because it's a construction zone, the shit is going to hit the fan.

[eltf177]

But if one of us ever does get hurt because it's a construction zone, the shit is going to hit the fan.

Not to mention the lawsuits...

[evilhomer]

So I had a guy test me, and I backed down. The asshat in question is a disrespectful insubordinate cunt who I have been ready to literally kill on multiple occasions. The battle that my kicking him off site would cause would be a major tipping point for the company. But more than that, I was actually hoping that he would cause the whole crew to be kicked off site, something that would have ended my torment for the day, and get him in some serious hot water. But (un)fortunately, our area was mostly complete, so they were a little more laid back about the rules as long as we were in there.