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    My sister works as an assistant manager at a bank. Recently, a customer received a letter from the bank: we have just found out your husband is deceased, and he had a car loan through us which has an outstanding balance. Please contact us for how you would like to handle this. Options include:

    1. Applying to have the loan switched over to you. This would include your application to assume the loan. The bank would then give her paperwork necessary to change the title of the car to her name with the bank's lien.

    2. Pay off the loan in full. She would receive a lien termination from the bank, which would allow her to do what she wanted with the loan: drive it or sell it.

    Customer finds these unacceptable. No, she's going to go to the DMV with her husband's death certificate and change it into her name.

    Now, I am recently retired from said DMV, and that's not going to happen. As long as there is a lien on the title, we will not change anything on the title without termination of lien or a letter from the bank giving us express permission to change the owner's name. My sister and I have talked about things like this, and my sister knows that the customer is out of luck.

    Customer refuses to believe her, and stomps out, saying that she is going there and WILL do it.

    Two days later she is back (I assume she spent the intervening day at the DMV only to be told No). She wants the bank to just change everything over without her having to fill out any pesky applications. Customer ducked away from my sister, but whaddya know? The full manager told her the same thing.

    Customer snatches the title. She is going back to the DMV, and this time she is going to tell them that she lost the title (DMV won't be able to "see" the lien) and needs to change the owner's name.

    Like this title says: Think Again. Two seconds is all it is going to take: type in the VIN into the computer and up pops the lien. Does anyone in this day and age actually believe that we don't have computer records? That we just take your word for anything?

    I figure she's going to spend another fruitless day at the DMV, and then we'll see if she folds.
    To seek it with thimbles, to seek it with care;
    To pursue it with forks and hope;
    To threaten its life with a railway share;
    To charm it with forks and hope!

  • #2
    I can see someone this stubborn making some half-assed attempt to 'disappear' the car, since she seems to find the concept of 'it isn't hers until she pays it off' so inconvenient. Can she even legally register the car?

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    • #3
      I agree, this car will not be found when it's time to repossess it due to the unpaid loan...

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      • #4
        I'm always bemused by people who think they can defy an entire INDUSTRY when they've been told exactly why what they want won't happen...


        "You people do this for a living, and you THINK that makes you an EXPERT or something?!?



        And if you lost the title, you won't get a new one until you've sufficiently vetted yourself against whatever ID fraud checks the DMV has in place, and once you've jumped through those hoops, you'll get a fresh new title from the state, made from their records, which INCLUDES the lien.

        What a dope.

        Working on the fringes of auto repossession/salvage I get the occasional person asking me how to "cheat" it like that and telling them basically their plan to avoid certain fees or having to produce documentation won't work because of built-in anti-fraud measures "A" "B" and "C" , and they tell me "Well, YOU DON'T KNOW IT WON'T WORK!" and try it anyway...

        They must be the same people who touched the stove even when Mommy told them it was hot.
        Last edited by Argabarga; 02-01-2017, 11:13 PM.
        - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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        • #5
          I guess I better hope my husband doesn't die because the car I pay for is in his name and I know with out a doubt they will not approve me even tho I have been paying on the car for the last year.

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          • #6
            My guess is that the husband died as a result of the stress from living with that woman... (RIP, dude.)
            "I was only LOOKING, I didn't mean to enter my card's CVV and actually ORDER! REFUND ME RIGHT NOW!!"

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            • #7
              Once again, someone proves my favorite saying: "Reality is what happens OUTSIDE of your own head."
              When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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              • #8
                Well I don't feel bad for "her" since the car is past due but my question is what if someone is current the person dies but the spouse keeps paying for it but because of there own credit can not transfer the loan and does not have the money to pay it off in full is that person SOL ?

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                • #9
                  Quoth Argabarga View Post
                  I'm always bemused by people who think they can defy an entire INDUSTRY when they've been told exactly why what they want won't happen...
                  At the roofing company customers and sometimes architects would try to defy gravity. By that, I'm talking about water, and how it has to go somewhere... Especially on flat roofs they wouldn't want drains, and if you told then they had to have a place for water to go, they would get all snotty and say that they saw it "online." Or if it was an architect, they'd talk about how they know what they're talking about and "just do it the way I want." Look, if there's one thing roofers know about, it's rain. (and moss and rot because it is the pacific northwest)

                  Anyway, I don't know much about loans, so I'd probably believe what the banker and DMV said rather than make multiple trips and spending hours fighting about it.
                  Replace anger management with stupidity management.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth raw1989 View Post
                    Well I don't feel bad for "her" since the car is past due but my question is what if someone is current the person dies but the spouse keeps paying for it but because of there own credit can not transfer the loan and does not have the money to pay it off in full is that person SOL ?
                    Well, I know my bank would try their damnedest to MAKE the loan work. Much better to have a risky loan than a write-off. I got some pretty crazy exceptions on normal lending standards for surviving spouses, and for surviving spouse, we'd give them the BETTER of the rate they qualify for or the rate of the loan in the deceased's name.

                    (Though we do have option # 3 of Turn in the car. If you aren't on the loan, not your responsibility. Turn in the car securing the loan, we'll sell it at auction and take the loss on any remaining balance, unless there is an estate paying out).

                    If the loan just can't happen in spouse's name, but they were managing the payments, we'd let em keep doing so and not call the loan. Problem is, the title is still in deceased name, and that makes registration issues. We're not going to help get the name on the title switched over without a new security agreement signed by the new owner.
                    Last edited by bankworking; 02-02-2017, 04:26 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth bankworking View Post
                      Well, I know my bank would try their damnedest to MAKE the loan work. Much better to have a risky loan than a write-off. I got some pretty crazy exceptions on normal lending standards for surviving spouses, and for surviving spouse, we'd give them the BETTER of the rate they qualify for or the rate of the loan in the deceased's name.

                      (Though we do have option # 3 of Turn in the car. If you aren't on the loan, not your responsibility. Turn in the car securing the loan, we'll sell it at auction and take the loss on any remaining balance, unless there is an estate paying out).

                      If the loan just can't happen in spouse's name, but they were managing the payments, we'd let em keep doing so and not call the loan. Problem is, the title is still in deceased name, and that makes registration issues. We're not going to help get the name on the title switched over without a new security agreement signed by the new owner.
                      I understand that im not sure but yah not in my name at all right now his only I make the payments and the loan is directly with the car company so if it came to it I guess turning it in would be an option oh well ill hope he doesn't die in the next 5 years wile I pay the car off lol I have my own car so its not like id be stranded with out it I cant drive it anyways... Me and manuals is a no go.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth eltf177 View Post
                        I agree, this car will not be found when it's time to repossess it due to the unpaid loan...
                        That or she will interfere with the repo...like jumping on the car or tow vehicle.
                        I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my keister!

                        Who is John Galt?
                        -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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                        • #13
                          Lots and lots of youtube videos on that subject...
                          “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
                          One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.
                          The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Nunavut Pants View Post
                            Lots and lots of youtube videos on that subject...
                            Indeed. My particular favorite:
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UbN88QFwZQ

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                            • #15
                              Quoth CyberLurch View Post
                              Indeed. My particular favorite:
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UbN88QFwZQ
                              Real smart/sarcasm
                              Doesn't she realize that she's on the hook for the balance of the loan? As repo'ed vehicles are sold sub-wholesale, the sale will net less than normal and with damaged windows
                              I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my keister!

                              Who is John Galt?
                              -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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