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  • "I really don't think you should even own a computer."

    It's a line I wish I could say, but can't for professional reasons. I was stuck on a call for forty-five minutes last night, twenty minutes after I was supposed to get off work, head to the store for a few items, then head home. This woman simply could not understand anything about the new computer she just bought. All she needed from me was help on a DUN set up. I took ten minutes to discover she had Windows XP (being VISTA for some reason did not come with this "new" computer), then another thirty-five minutes to do the set up.

    With this call, I discovered there are some things you should and should not say to anyone who knows nothing about computers. After I told this lady to "double click" something, she from then on out double clicked everything, including the NEXT button on the new connection wizard. It caused her to skip screens and so forth, and when she got to the end, she clicked FINISH several times without completing the connection, causing further headaches by having multiple DUN connections.

    We had to delete all of these connections, start over again, read back her information to her (which she would not write down first), then started over several times after. She could not understand FINISH and CANCEL are not the same things. When she got to the end of the set up, she kept clicking CANCEL, which was never a word I uttered.

    Something that was also terrible was this woman had to read each and every word to me on every window that came up, instead of closing out any window that was not necessary to her set up. At one point, I told her to "close all the open windows on your desk top", she replied with "My desk doesn't have any windows on it." Ugh!

    And, the grand finale was after we set up the DUN connection, she couldn't just hang up. She had to test the connection first! Luckily, it worked, but she then had additional questions about her anti-virus window, her anti-spam window, etc. I had to tell her we don't service the PC and she needs to read the instruction manual for answers to those questions.

    It was an awful call, and it really drained me. I finally was able to go home, but it upset the errands I had to do on the way home. Now, I don't grumble too much about work on my own time, but this call stayed with me for a little bit, at least until I got home to the family!

    It makes me want to ask a customer "Why do you own a computer when you don't know what you're doing?" A friend of mine told me they think that not only do sales people at places like Best Buy know a sucker when they see one, but the SC themselves don't want to admit to the sales person they don't know anything about a computer. They just go buy one and take it that the sales person was honest with them.

  • #2
    Sometimes the salesman is honest

    Quoth greensinestro View Post
    A friend of mine told me they think that not only do sales people at places like Best Buy know a sucker when they see one, but the SC themselves don't want to admit to the sales person they don't know anything about a computer. They just go buy one and take it that the sales person was honest with them.
    At the computer store I worked at the salesman were honest. But every week at-least one customer would show up who seemed to know what they were talking about, knew exactly what they wanted and did not ask any stupid questions. The sales people would assume they were another repeat computer owner who already knew what computers were about and sell them what they asked for.

    The fecal matter would hit the rotational air movement device the follow day when they would call and it was clear they could not get the stuff out of the cardboard boxes, much less hook them up.

    Too often these people were coached by a computer friend so the sales person would not rip them off, but said friend was no-where to be found when it was time to get the machine working.
    Last edited by earl colby pottinger; 07-28-2007, 03:04 PM. Reason: missing word

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    • #3
      We feel your pain, my friend, we feel it.

      I'll say it again: Mandatory New Computer User Classes! Write your Congressman now!

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      • #4
        Quoth greensinestro View Post
        I took ten minutes to discover she had Windows XP (being VISTA for some reason did not come with this "new" computer)
        A few computer OEMs (including Dell and HP) let the customer order XP on the system again due to all the trouble with Vista.
        DJ Particle

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        • #5
          Quoth UncleImpy View Post
          We feel your pain, my friend, we feel it.

          I'll say it again: Mandatory New Computer User Classes! Write your Congressman now!
          I said the same thing on a another board and people said I was being an "ageist" and "discriminatory" towards elderly people. Whatever.

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          • #6
            Well then that would be "ageist" both ways. Just because you are young, doesn't mean you're smart, or pick up on technology any quicker. Trust me, I talk to plenty of people younger than me, 27, who have no clue what they're doing. It takes a fresh brain that is willing to learn this stuff and put the slightest bit of effort forward.

            Quoth sld72382 View Post
            I said the same thing on a another board and people said I was being an "ageist" and "discriminatory" towards elderly people. Whatever.

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            • #7
              And this is why my family (i.e. Mom, dad and I) are glad that my brother is a freaking computer genius. At least if anyone is going to have to deal with my lack of computer knowledge, it'll be someone who can call me an idiot to my face and not get "fired."
              "In the end I was the mean girl/or somebody's in between girl"~Neko Case

              “You don't need many words if you already know what you're talking about.” ~William Stafford

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              • #8
                Quoth sld72382 View Post
                I said the same thing on a another board and people said I was being an "ageist" and "discriminatory" towards elderly people. Whatever.

                That would seem to say a lot about their preconceptions about older people, not yours...


                I've worked with some people, both young and old, who "get it" right away, and some who fail to grasp the same point no matter how many ways I try to drive it home. I'll admit that younger folks are generally more receptive to learning computers (and other technological things, for that matter), though.

                It has a lot to do with personality type, I think. I've run into several people who say they want to learn, but they really want it done for them. Which is good for my profit margin (), but not good if they want to learn in the "teach a man to fish" kind of way.

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                • #9
                  I had a friend who kept wanting to get a computer but I never had the time to go shopping for one with him. He did pickup a nice system with my reccomendations and did he let it sit there uselessly, afraid to learn anything? NO! He hooked it up all by himself, and now runs a very lucrative business selling salvaged auto parts on eBay. He has cut back on his regular job because he is doing so well. I always tell people, don't be afraid to do something, most of the time we can fix it, espically if its not something physical.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth BravoOrig View Post
                    most of the time we can fix it, espically if its not something physical.
                    For varying values of 'fix' of course. Worst case scenario is resetting the BIOS from the jumpers and reformatting the drive.
                    ...WHY DO YOU TEMPT WHAT LITTLE FAITH IN HUMANITY I HAVE!?! -- Kalga
                    And I want a pony for Christmas but neither of us is getting what we want OK! What you are asking is impossible. -- Wicked Lexi

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                    • #11
                      Quoth sld72382 View Post
                      I said the same thing on a another board and people said I was being an "ageist" and "discriminatory" towards elderly people. Whatever.
                      I have to call "bullshit" on that one. Why? Well, the first job I had after college was, in fact, one hosted by the college. This was a 2-week seminar where older folks would come in and learn to use computers. Most of them knew what was going on, so I was free to surf the web, play Quake, or whatever. Many still had questions, and actually wanted to learn how to use the things. There was one older lady, who had lots of trouble, very little of which was her fault. She simply couldn't see some things, namely the mouse pointer, and some of the text. Once that was adjusted, she got along great

                      Then there are the people, of *any* age, who *refuse* to learn, yet want to bitch when they screw something up. I have very little patience for those folks.
                      Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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                      • #12
                        Quoth UncleImpy View Post
                        I'll say it again: Mandatory New Computer User Classes! Write your Congressman now!
                        If there was funding I would so beg mine to sponser that bill.
                        How was I supposed to know someone was slipping you Birth Control in the food I've been making for you lately?

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                        • #13
                          I just try to put them at ease so they actually sit down and learn something without worrying too much about blowing it up. Of course, reformatting is a "fix", right? I'd rather have them learn alot on the way to breaking their software and leave me alone till then.

                          Quoth JustADude View Post
                          For varying values of 'fix' of course. Worst case scenario is resetting the BIOS from the jumpers and reformatting the drive.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth MacPrince View Post

                            That would seem to say a lot about their preconceptions about older people, not yours...
                            I've worked with some people, both young and old, who "get it" right away, and some who fail to grasp the same point no matter how many ways I try to drive it home. .
                            Too true all the way down the line. I taught at a city college on Chicago's south side. Poles, Hispanics, Croats, Blacks, Whites. (Won't say "Caucasians" 'cause I don't know if there were people specifically from the caucus region there ) Male, Female. 17 to (once) 92! (Charlie - also took my Hardware repair class ) What it all boiled down to was there were people willing to learn, and people (SC's) who were just sleeping through the class waiting for me to hip them to the secret magic button on the computer that would do everything for them without a touch of thought.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth EmiOfBrie View Post
                              A few computer OEMs (including Dell and HP) let the customer order XP on the system again due to all the trouble with Vista.
                              You don't understand though. This woman took ten long-ass minutes to figure out she had XP, which led me to believe she had no idea what VISTA was, let alone would not have been smart enough to know to request XP over VISTA.

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