Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The tire, the drunk, his wife and the employee

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • The tire, the drunk, his wife and the employee

    A class I currently am taking let out last night at 10:30.

    After driving back across town to my home, I had just turned onto the last major artery street leading to my subdivision when I noticed the car now in front of me is weaving back and forth in its lane. The speed limit on this street is 40 mph. The proverbial Red Flags begin waving for me. Then I see the car hit the curb, bounce back into its lane, serve, hit the curb again, bounce off, swerve and hit it again. It doesn’t stop. I decide to keep following it and pass up the street leading to my home.

    I am pulling out my cell phone to call 911 on this driver who obviously is either drunk or in some sort of trouble, when I see that the front tire is shredded and deflated due to its many contacts with the curb and the car now is riding on the wobbling rim while swerving more than it ever had before. The car then pulls into a convenience store parking lot (thank you, God!) about two blocks from the entrance ramps of a major highway. I pull in after the car and park.

    The car ends up parked at a forty degree angle over two parking spaces in front of the store, but it hits nothing more. The driver (a guy who looks to be in his mid to late sixties) gets out, stumbles over to the passenger side and stares at the blown tire while swaying back and forth. For a few moments, the driver just looks blankly at the tire, then screams “F***” and throws an open can of beer on the ground. Ok, now I have no doubt that this is a drunk. The driver next stumbles into the store. I get out and follow him.

    When I get inside, the driver is slurring his words as he yells at the employee behind the counter that he needs someone to get his tire fixed and it better be quick. The employee (a young guy who looks no more than twenty) calls over another employee to watch the register, and to my amazement, goes outside with this guy. I again follow while pulling out my phone to call the police.

    The employee squats down and looks at the tire in the middle of a puddle of beer from the thrown can, then says that it looks like a blowout and asks if the driver has a spare. I can see that there is far more damage to the car as the wheel’s rim is bent and seems to be jutting out at an odd angle. Something in there is twisted.

    It takes the driver a moment to understand that the employee needs the jack and spare, but he finally weaves over to the trunk and manages to find the key to open it. The employee begins to look for a jack in the trunk. The drunk pulls out his cell phone and calls someone, then he plops down on the asphalt and starts crying into the phone that his car is wrecked. The drunk appears to lose all interest in what the employee is doing as he sobs on about the car.

    At this point I decide to get involved. I walk over to the employee and tell him that I need to speak to him immediately inside the store. The employee looks puzzled, but puts down the tire iron and walks back in. I inform him that I already have called the police because the man is drunk, and that the employee should have been able to see the driver is drunk and has wrecked his car. I then tell him that if the employee helps him get back on the road, the employee and the store will be liable for any accident or damage the driver causes. The employee looks at me like a deer in headlights, then says we need to give the guy a break and help him get home. His co-worker overheard what I said and tells the employee to stay inside and wait for the police.

    While this is going on, the police arrive. The woman the drunk called (probably his wife) shows up a few minutes later and is visibly angry at the him. The police handcuff the driver; but after speaking with me, the employee and the driver, they decide that they are not going to arrest the man because THEY did not observe him behind the wheel (never mind that I did and could testify to it) so they will not charge him with DUI; and since someone is there to take care of him, they cannot charge him with public intoxication either. They let him go, but thank me for taking an interest in public safety. I am flabbergasted, but know it will do no good to argue about it.

    After the driver and wife (who got mad at me for calling the police) leave, I tell the employee that he needs to be more aware of the people who come in and that he needs to learn the signs of an intoxicated person lest he break the law by selling that person alcohol. His co-worker agrees.

    I arrive home after midnight, frustrated but relieved that at least the drunk is off the road and might have learned a lesson.
    (Yeah, I know, but I can hope.)
    Last edited by South Texan; 03-01-2008, 09:15 PM.
    "Ignorance is no excuse for a law."
    .................................................. ..................- Alfred E. Newman

  • #2
    he's hasn't learned a damn thing. America has a revolving door style law system, so unfortunately he's not gonna care that they almost arrested him if you ask me...

    Comment


    • #3
      Its fustraitng! Unless they have hard core evidence the cops wont do anything becuase they dont want to get sued. So all these people are getting away with everything and I get pulled over for doing three over the speedlimit! Its just fustratiting. But your my hero of the day!

      Comment


      • #4
        Just to play the devil's advocate here. The police don't know if the guy was driving, they only have your word and they don't know your intentions, or your motives. They can't assume you are doing this because of an interest in public safety. They also don't know your relationship with the drunk in question. They could have arrested them, but nothing would have come of it.

        Don't get me wrong, you did good, and probably did more then I would have. You have my respect for that.
        Always,
        Craven Morhead
        --
        ... Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental.

        Comment


        • #5
          A lady ran into my neighbors car and took off one day while I was out in my yard. I jumped in my car and followed her. She parked in a driveway a few blocks away and I called the police and let them know where she lived. They came to my house later to take my statement and told me that she was drunk but could only charge her with leaving the scene of an accident because she could have drank after the accident.

          Comment


          • #6
            Thats rubbish.

            I have had people arrested for drunk driving on the basis of my evidence, and that was long before I even did security, if the police can prove he was driving (yes because you would have given a statement) and that he was drunk (obvious by demeanour) then they should have arrested. Simple.
            A PSA, if I may, as well as another.

            Comment


            • #7
              well i can see where their hands can be tied in some aspects

              i'm glad the drunk's off the road tho....

              but in reality... i think he won't care... he'll just be mad that someone almost got him in trouble
              not that he was an idiot and almost got HIMSELF in trouble

              Comment


              • #8
                so I am guessing that the store didn't have an outside video security camera . . .the tape would show the car coming into the lot and the man getting out of the drivers side.
                Plus the man alone in his car . . .who else would have put it there?

                I know the police have to cover their backsides . . .but sometimes I think they take the easy way out.
                (one less drunk to clean up after/ listen to/ basically deal with in the jail)

                Comment


                • #9
                  They could have arrested him. They could have asked for security tapes. They could have taken a statement from you. They could have made an effort. They didn't want to. So he'll do it again. Maybe that time he'll kill someone before he breaks his car.

                  ST, you did everything you could. You did a lot more than most people would have. And at least that store employee got an education.
                  Labor boards have info on local laws for free
                  HR believes the first person in the door
                  Learn how to go over whackamole bosses' heads safely
                  Document everything
                  CS proves Dunning-Kruger effect

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I went by that convenience store a little while ago and found the same employee was working there today. I asked him what had happened to the drunk's car and he told me that the sobered up drunk came back the next afternoon with some other guys to try to change the tire. It appears they saw the damage was greater than a simple tire replacement could fix, so they had to call a tow truck.

                    There also was extensive body damage to the front fender, headlight and grill that had not been there when the drunk got in the car that evening. At the time I had not associated all those scrapes and dents with what had happened that night as the car was an older model. The formerly drunk driver was really angry about the damage, but one of the guys told the driver that he was damn lucky the only thing injured was the car.

                    The driver also wanted the store to tell him who called the cops on him. I never told the employees who I was, so they could not tell him anything. It is a firm police policy here not to release the part of accident or incident reports on which the witness names are listed, but if the driver somehow finds out my name, he will be VERY stupid to try to do anything to or with me.
                    Last edited by South Texan; 03-01-2008, 09:39 PM.
                    "Ignorance is no excuse for a law."
                    .................................................. ..................- Alfred E. Newman

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Quoth cravenmorhead View Post
                      Just to play the devil's advocate here. The police don't know if the guy was driving, they only have your word and they don't know your intentions, or your motives. They can't assume you are doing this because of an interest in public safety. They also don't know your relationship with the drunk in question. They could have arrested them, but nothing would have come of it.

                      Don't get me wrong, you did good, and probably did more then I would have. You have my respect for that.
                      I want to second this, I'm glad you were concerned enough to get involved, but put yourself in the police officer's shoes, in a he-said-he-said situation, there just isn't enough evidence to arrest someone unless the officer themselves witnessed the event or can easily get some hard evidence like camera footage. Not that you'd ever be untruthful, but it's not like the movies, they simply can't arrest someone on another person's word alone, think of what a headache it would be if you could. I think people sometimes forget that the reason it can be hard at times to arrest someone is because it would be far more damaging to society to make it too easy to do so, and that protection extends to everyone, including people like drunks who drive, which is unfortunate.

                      "They could have arrested him. They could have asked for security tapes. They could have taken a statement from you. They could have made an effort. They didn't want to. So he'll do it again. Maybe that time he'll kill someone before he breaks his car."

                      My guess is that the camera doesn't cover the part of the parking lot he pulled into, nor does it clearly show he was driving the vehicle at that point, and none of these other employees saw him driving, only that he may have been visibly drunk. Logicaly, he was, but to prove that under the law, you need much more than what they had.

                      Again, I understand the frustration, but there simply isn't any way this guy was going to get cuffed that night unless the cops were right there while he was weaving and such, the cops did the right thing by making sure he didn't get back in the car and have a go at round 2.

                      Will he do it again? Undoubtably, but a hard core drunk like this guy sounds will do it again no matter what, they're incourrigable
                      Last edited by Argabarga; 03-02-2008, 07:31 PM.
                      - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        They had a man who was obviously intoxicated and should have been tested. They had the call to his wife, who arrived in her own vehicle, so someone else had to have drive the other vehicle there. They could have taken statements from the employees at the store, which would have resulted in multiple witness statements. They could have checked the damage to the vehicle and it would have been fairly easy to tell that it was recent.

                        Again, there were a lot of things they could have done, but they didn't even try.

                        There's still an attitude common among people, including many police departments, that is the same as the one shown by the first employee, that is, "Let's just get the guy home safe, and let him sleep it off." Until someone important enough gets killed, it will just keep happening.

                        And police take reports all the time on the word of a witness, so it was just an excuse. They took the easy way out.

                        I don't know how small the town is that South Texan lives in, but if it has a police blotter, maybe he'll see a report by someone of unexplained damage or a hit and run that might match up to the drunk's vehicle.
                        Labor boards have info on local laws for free
                        HR believes the first person in the door
                        Learn how to go over whackamole bosses' heads safely
                        Document everything
                        CS proves Dunning-Kruger effect

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          You can't administer a breathalyzer to someone not caught behind the wheel, he was out of the car, so they'd have to take him to a hospital emergency room to do that test by taking blood samples, that would have the effect of taking 1, maybe 2 officers out of thier patrols while more serious things may have been going on. And the only thing the store employees could testify to likely is that the man came into thier store intoxicated, they can't provide any proof he was driving drunk.

                          Again, it may not have been the most pleasing outcome, but it was the most prudent, they made sure he couldn't hurt anyone else that night.

                          I think it's a bit distressing the way we jump on police sometimes for "not doing thier jobs" when that very same phrase, when used against us, makes us boil.
                          - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Those cops should learn from the sheriffs in Jefferson, OR. My buds mom wasn't even in her car and was not going to drive but she did have her keys. She got charged with DUI and it actually stuck.

                            The cops in OP's bit were lazy and apparently incompetent if they didn't go for the DUI.
                            GFY

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              He could have been arrested for public intoxication, which doesn't even involve driving.

                              A night in a drunk tank or cold cell would have led to a really nasty hangover.
                              Labor boards have info on local laws for free
                              HR believes the first person in the door
                              Learn how to go over whackamole bosses' heads safely
                              Document everything
                              CS proves Dunning-Kruger effect

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X