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    Background first, naturally. My Mom and I run our own housecleaning business. There isn't much we won't do, providing its paid for, and we supply all the cleaning supplies, etc for $30/hour.

    We have this one client whom I can't figure out is stupid, or simply doesn't understand what her requests entail, even though she has had us come every two weeks for 6 years. She has a 5-bedroom two-level house that has a en-suite for her elderly mother in the downstairs level complete with private bathroom/shower, living room, kitchen and laundry. She also rents rooms to visiting Japanese students taking English as a 2nd language programs at the local University. It usually takes us anywhere from 2 to 2 and a half hours to do a 'regular' cleaning of their place, depending on how messy it is. This entails cleaning all the bathrooms, washing all floors, vacuuming all rooms, cleaning kitchen, washing kitchen cupboards (they tend to be messy,) dusting, and getting the windows/sliding doors cleaned. She knows how long it takes us to do this.

    However she has this horrible habit of giving us extra work to do, then going out "to do her shopping" and NOT LEAVING ANY EXTRA MONEY!!! We keep having to wait until the NEXT time we go to ask her to make up for whatever she had shorted us on the previous visit. This is becoming such a regular occurrence that it can't simply be her forgetting. Its not just simple jobs she asks us to do either. Last week we did our regular cleaning then she asked us if we would wash the walls in all the bathrooms as she's going to get them repainted. No problem. Took us an extra hour and a half to do all three, but naturally she steps out about 30 minutes before we're done to go to the library, and when we go to the fridge (where she always leaves our cheque clipped) we see its for just a regular 2 hour cleaning. HELLO???

    PLUS?? She'd clipped a note saying "If you have time can you please empty out the fridge and clean it?"( at least another hour's job for one of us.) Does she actually think that washing walls in 3 bathrooms AND cleaning out her fridge can be fit into the 2 to 2 1/2 hours it takes to do a normal cleaning? She already knew we'd been there an extra hour when she left! She's a lovely lady, but I'm just getting the feeling that she *expects* we'll do anything extra without having to pay, since she always acts surprised when one of us mentions that she short-changed us.

    Fortunately, there's a bright side - I've lined up a new client, and am going to inform the lady from above that I simply can't afford to keep cleaning for her. Naturally she's going to ask why and I'll tell her the truth - it COSTS me too much to clean for free every week and then have to wait 2 weeks to get paid the extra. I doubt she'll be able to find anyone else, as the only other 2 cleaning outfits in town have restrictions on what they will and won't do (no windows, no cleaning out refrigerators, no washing walls, etc.)
    The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away.

  • #2
    Wow....reminds me of the book the Nanny Diaries, the Mothers expecting more and more and then when one thing throws a wrench into their plans to reemember that the nannies aren't robots...they start looking elsewhere.

    Oh well...dump the witch.

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    • #3
      Tell her you need the money up front or you won't do it. If she doesn't cough it up, take your toys and go home.
      I don't go in for ancient wisdom
      I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
      It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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      • #4
        Have you tried explaining your position to her? Could she not be seeing these as extra but rather something she'd like done in the course of the regular time? For example, if she wants the fridge done, skip something that isn't really necessary and let her know that's what you'll have to do if she wants changes to the norm.

        "You'd feel a Hell of a lot better if you'd just rip into the occasional customer."
        ~Clerks

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        • #5
          Although you're dumping her anyway, I second the pay-first concept if you run into this in future. Any clients asking for extra work, you tell them "Sure, we can do whatever you like, but we do ask for payment before starting for that."

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          • #6
            Thankfully it seems as if she is actually willing to pay for the extra work... but as others have mentioned, it seems as if she might not understand the situation. If you explain it to her and she still doesn't comply, then she'll be losing out. Also, $30/hour is a very competitive price! (At least where I live..) But I bet she'd be sorry to see you go
            !
            "For truth is always strange; stranger than fiction." -- Lord Byron

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            • #7
              If you are looking for suggestions...

              I wouldn't quit working for her if she was a good customer outside of this problem. If she is there and asks for extra work make sure she has an estimate of what the extra cost will be and has left the funds before doing the work. If she isn't there and just left a note with no extra funds then don't do the extra work. There is nothing wrong with requiring full payment up front when you have an established relationship with a client like you have here. For a lot of people money isn't a big deal and they sometimes need a gentle reminder that money is a big deal to us. After a couple of extra projects don't get done she will catch on.

              Steve B.

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              • #8
                Good suggestions. I spoke to my Mom and we're going to sit down and have a talk with her and see where that goes. Hopefully she'll understand where we're coming from.
                The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away.

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                • #9
                  WHOA! Stop right there, are you serious?

                  Ok, I worked for a cleaning company while in college- mind you this was 10 years ago- and they charged $60/hour for a team of 3 people.

                  *We sometimes washed dishes if time allowed.
                  *We NEVER EVER cleaned out anyone's fridge.
                  *No customer ever paid in advance.

                  Naturally, we did all the usual stuff- wiping baseboards, window sills, dusting, vacuuming (and yes I can still do the perfect vacuum pattern with ease), bathrooms, etc. The houses were spotless when we left.

                  If she paid you for 2 hours, then you work for 2 hours and LEAVE. Leave right then, with the house in whatever condition you were able to bring it to.

                  Please don't be offended, but she is taking advantage of you and your mom BIG TIME. Unfortunately, it sounds like she gave it a shot her way, and you two didn't put up a fight and she kept at it.

                  If it were me- I'd ditch her. However, if you want to keep her, I'd let her know diplomatically that business is picking up and you need all your clients to sign contracts showing what you will and won't do, and include in there that if FULL payment is not rendered in 30 days, services will cease immediately. (**I don't care if she's your only client, she doesn't need to know that). If she balks explain that it's this way or no way. And stand firm.

                  Kind of like the mother in law who lets herself in with the "emergency key" - just this once......then proceeds to waltz right in anytime she feels like it. You need to set up boundaries.

                  Good luck, she sounds like a real pain.

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                  • #10
                    Quoth neecy View Post
                    She's a lovely lady, but I'm just getting the feeling that she *expects* we'll do anything extra without having to pay, since she always acts surprised when one of us mentions that she short-changed us.
                    It's too bad you're not in my family, you'd be totally used to this behavior.

                    It's called Passive Aggressive Narcissism- and she appears to be a pro. If she was such a lovely lady, she'd recognize that your time is precious, just as hers is. She doesn't, or chooses not to, see anyone's needs above her own- and is too spineless to deal with confrontation.

                    Definitely, ditch her. And don't use the kid gloves.

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                    • #11
                      Washing the walls before painting is part of any painter's prep. She is cheating you and getting over because any painter would charge her $50/hr for that time.
                      Last edited by StanFlouride; 08-16-2008, 03:26 AM. Reason: addition
                      "What did you have for breakfast this morning? Carnation Instant Bitch?"
                      -Eric Foreman That 70's Show

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                      • #12
                        If the OP and her mom are happy with the rate, why are they getting cheated? Perhaps they live in a place where things are cheaper.

                        ALSO, I've never understood why maid services won't clean out fridges or wash windows, etc. Talk about stuck up and lazy! If you're paying by the hour ... why NOT?!?!?
                        "Always stand near the door." -- Doctor Who

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                        • #13
                          All our clients at the moment are single mothers/retirees/widows, on fixed incomes and we understand what that entails. That said - we do what we can because we *can* do it. Want your toilet replaced/replumbed? Done that. Want a light fixture installed? Done that. Computer acting up? Sure I can look at it. We flip mattresses, help put up Christmas trees, weed gardens, and even take laundry to the laundromat providing gas/time is covered. Why? Because it makes us feel GOOD to do these things, and the responses we get from our clients makes it worthwhile. Several of our clients treat us like family, and its a wonderful feeling. Get well cards if we've been ill, cookies set out for us as a treat for our breaks, and comments of "You two are working too hard! Sit down and have a cup of coffee with me!."

                          So we love our jobs - it might be hard physical work, but for the most part its very rewarding, with the exception of the lady I've mentioned. The reason we did wall washing is her painter does NOT do that. Its just sucky that she KNOWS what our duties are and how long it takes to do them. We won't be doing any extra unless there's a cheque/cash up front from now on.
                          The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away.

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                          • #14
                            I'd say keep doing what you're doing. A while back when things got busy we considered having someone come in to clean a couple of days a week. It's not a comfortable thing for me, personally, to have someone cleaning my house not to mention trusting a stranger. We spoke to a few people and quite frankly, I'm not impressed with the services available in my area. Things have slowed down now to where we don't need the help but you and your moms business sounds like one I would have liked.

                            Another reason I would try talking to her is the economy is what it is. People aren't spending as much on luxuries as they used to and losing a regular may not be a good idea if the situation can be worked out.

                            "You'd feel a Hell of a lot better if you'd just rip into the occasional customer."
                            ~Clerks

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                            • #15
                              Quoth marasbaras View Post
                              ALSO, I've never understood why maid services won't clean out fridges or wash windows, etc. Talk about stuck up and lazy! If you're paying by the hour ... why NOT?!?!?
                              Obviously I can't speak for all companies- but I can tell you why the company I worked for wouldn't do it.

                              First- they paid crap. Barely minimum wage and somehow (I was young and naive) got away with not giving us proper breaks and we were expected to eat our lunches while we drove to the next appt. They used incredibly harsh chemicals to make the cleaning go faster, regardless of the eventual damage to the customer's house. A vacation day was unheard of, no health insurance, you had to drive your own car and got paid the absolute min. for mileage.

                              So, the morale of the employees was the pits, to say the least. Then they'd send us to these HUGE houses and mansions, and since they quoted 2.5 hours to meticulously clean 8,000 sq. foot of living space, we had to seriously haul ass to try and do a halfway decent job. You want to throw in windows and cleaning out the fridge? I couldn't even figure out some of the windows in their houses, and they looked $$$$$$$. The fridge is a whole different hassle, because no matter how thorough or careful you are, you WILL throw out something that they still wanted for whatever reason. (Old people and rich people are notorious for stuff like that).

                              Lastly, not all services are charged the same cost per hour. Those that require more skill and care cost more. So you could pay someone $50/hr to clean (dust, vacuum, etc) your house- but it will cost more than that to do other things and that's where people cheap out- powerwashing lawn furniture or fencing, washing windows, shampooing carpet, etc.

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