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  • How Can We Do Business Like That?!?

    So, this is going on right this moment, and I'm listening to one side of it, with the computer records on our end to peruse.

    We have a customer that has two separate companies operating out of the same building with the same personnel with all of the same contact information.

    They came in as Company X for a quote, yesterday, for 700 pieces of an item, which our veteran salesguy (VS) gave a competitive price on.

    The customer, thinking they're slick, place the order as Company Z, placing the order at the lower quantity with the lower price.

    Nice try.

    So, now, Mister Slick is on the phone, harassing VS trying to get him to lower the price. VS isn't having any of it. He is explaining, repeatedly, how he came to that price in the first place, and why the order will not be going out at the lower price with the lower quantity.

    Mister Slick is claiming that he can get the parts for half the cost from another source (why is he even talking to us, then?) to which VS says, "if you can fax us a copy of the quote, I can get it to my product manager, and we can adjust our pricing based on that." Needless to say, no fax is expected, because the quote (if it even exists) is on a higher quantity with a lead time on a part the customer needs to have sooner because there's a very high likelihood that they already sold to someone else.

    Then Mister Slick tries to say that he prefers talking to another of the salespeople instead of VS because that other salesperson always gives him much better pricing, so he's always buying from her. First, that's not even remotely true. He (and his fellow Co X purchasing critters) pull the same stunts with her and the other salesperson. See, they all know this because they talk to each other. Plus, we can see the sales versus quotes in the system.

    So, VS shoots down all of Mister Slick's arguments as to why we should be giving away parts to him and tells him to call back when he can ok the full quantity (or at 500 pieces, which is where the price break hits), or the higher price for the lower quantity.

    In the meantime, I'm over here at my desk checking up on Company Z because I want to see what sort of information I can provide to help VS with further smackdown. Lo and behold! They owe us money! Not a lot, but not a small amount, either. Some of these invoices are from August. And their last payment was in October. And their A/P guy has not responded to several voice mails left for him, except the one time that the receptionist refused to transfer our dunning person to his voice mail!

    Oopsie! Looks like Company Z (and Company X) is now on Credit Hold pending payment of their past due invoices! If they'd just kept on keeping on, our dunning clerk would likely have let them keep on racking up the debt for another couple of months before putting a stop to their shenanigans.

    So, Other Salesperson took a moment to contact one of Company Z's buyers that isn't as much of a weasel and let them know that we've gone and put them on Hold. She also leaves a message for Company Z A/P to let them know the same. And, I've gone and emailed over a copy of their current statement as well, because having something in writing is always great for nailing these idiots.

    Poor Mister Slick is going to have quite the surprise if he should manage to pull his head out of his ass and call back to try to get those parts at what likely happens to be the best price in town. Most likely, he'll just send a revised PO, like the rest of the weasels who try to lie their way to a lower price.

    ^-.-^
    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

  • #2
    Nope. First he's going to call back and complain that how dare you put such a "good customer" on credit hold.

    Yeah, we have these calls too.
    A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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    • #3
      "How dare you! We're one of your best customers! We do thousands of dollars worth of business with you!"

      It never dawns on them that "best" customers pay in full, and thousands of dollars worth of business isn't worth squat if it's not paid for.
      When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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      • #4
        Feh, they're hardly one of our best customers.

        I can name three customers off the top of my head that have done more business with us in the last month, each, than Company Z has done in the last year, and all three of those pay their bills on time (one always pays early!), don't harass our salespeople, and are generally just a joy to have.

        ^-.-^
        Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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        • #5
          Only 3?

          The people who most often claim to be a "good customer" tend to have almost nothing in sales, which is why they have an invoice 8 months old and are only now discovering shipping hold might be a problem for them.

          We value all of our customers, whether they place a $20 order or 100x that. But we still have to be paid and I dislike when customers get passive-aggressive and try to lay a guilt trip. I actually enjoy most of our customers and I resent being manipulated to feel bad about caring and doing my job in an honest and responsible way.
          A lion however, will only devour your corpse, whereas an SC is not sated until they have destroyed your soul. (Quote per infinitemonkies)

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          • #6
            sounds like they were using the second company name to order stuff ... while trying to avoid paying the bills the original company owed.

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            • #7
              Quoth PepperElf View Post
              sounds like they were using the second company name to order stuff ... while trying to avoid paying the bills the original company owed.
              Which means they will soon start ordering under a third company name.
              "I don't have to be petty. The Universe does that for me."

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              • #8
                Actually, they'd get quotes as Company X, then order as Company Z.

                Oh, and the saga gets even better.

                So, the next day, I let Bosslady (owner & CFO) know what's gone down and she ends up trying to contact their AP guy. Shockingly enough, she gets through!

                So she tells him what I said in the email, only with the weight of her being CFO behind it. AP Guy says, "Well, the boss told me not to pay anything. I know nothing, I'm just an accountant."

                Yeah... we're not getting paid, and we're taking bets on when we get the bankruptcy notification.

                Bossman wants to know who the owner is, so I check and it turns out the guy's main company is some real estate business, and he runs some half dozen or so other businesses.

                This makes me wonder if any of the dozen people we know work there know about how deep their company is right now. Poor sods.

                ^-.-^
                Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                • #9
                  Quoth bainsidhe View Post
                  Only 3?
                  Maybe I'm too pessimistic for the holidays, but my first reaction was the complete opposite. WOW! She has three good customers every month! She's lucky!
                  Sorry, my cow died so I don't need your bull

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                  • #10
                    Update!

                    So, last I had heard, VS had contacted the buyer for Co Z. The buyer told VS that he'd find out what was going on and get back to us yesterday.

                    So, today I asked VS if he'd ever heard back from Co Z. He had!

                    So, he tells me that as nobody had called back, he took the opportunity to call them yesterday afternoon.

                    He spoke to Mr Slick again. Mr Slick told VS that he'd spoken to his accounting department and it was true that they weren't paying anybody just now.

                    He then goes on to try to convince VS that it was ok and that we should just ship the order. It's not that much money (over $1000) and they're good for it.

                    VS is having none of it, and lets him know that not only are we still not shipping the current order, but unless we get payment up front plus at least the oldest invoice (from July), those parts can continue to sit on our shelf.

                    It turns out that the owner of Co Z and Co X (and a dozen other companies, besides) is worth millions, but every so often gets some bug up his butt and stops paying everybody. It's been nearly three months since we last received payment, at which point the oldest invoice was already 60 days past due.

                    I will be making a post in CoC about the person who let them get to that point, shortly.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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