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  • Greedy Landlord Corporation Bullshit.

    A few days ago, I got a little notice on my door from my apartment complex. It said something to the effect of the complex was requiring tenants to get their utilities registered in their names. This seemed odd to me, as our utilities are already registered in our names, or more specifically, in my name.

    So this morning I called the front office to inquire about this odd message. I told the girl who answered (a lovely young lady who I have worked with at a local restaurant in the past) that our utilities were already in our name, at which point she explained: the notice was not about the utilities we were paying (electricity, water, and cable), but rather, it referred to the sewer and garbage services. While the complex had been paying those fees in the past (past being at least the last five plus years I've lived here), the head office of the corporation that owns this place had decided to transfer the responsibility for the aforementioned sewer and garbage services to the resident.

    Really? Really....?

    That seemed a bit, well, shady, greedy, fucked up, and potentially even illegal. I wondered aloud to the front office lady if such a thing might be, oh, I don't know, a violation of our current lease. She did not know if it was, but at my request, agreed to get a copy of our lease to me this very day. (I thought I might have a copy of it somewhere, but I wasn't immediately sure where, and hell, why not have an extra copy?) She also informed me that the person I needed to speak to, her boss and the complex manager, would be out of town until Tuesday.

    Well, tonight when I got home from work, the lease was indeed waiting for me. Some of you may remember the lease...the monstrosity I told you about months ago that had over 30 pages and required my roommates' and my signatures and/or initials in well over 40 different places. The same lease that prohibited tenants from backing into parking spots, as this was a sign of gang presence, or some such cockamamie bullshit. (That particular policy has since been abandoned completely.)

    I was not looking forward to poring over this behemoth, but finally, I sat down to take a look, fearing it might take me a long time to find what I was looking for.

    It took me about a minute.

    Scanning the various section titles, on the third page, I found the item I was looking for: "Utilities." The first sentence of this section detailed that the resident would be responsible for the electricity, the water, and the cable bills. And the very next sentence stated that the responsibility for the sewer and garbage service fees would be that of the landlord.

    Now I am not a crack lawyer. Nor a lawyer on crack. Nor even a lawyer at all. But I think it is pretty plain that, while the landlord can eventually transfer such fees to the residents, including myself and my roommates, they cannot force us to take over such fees while the current lease is in effect.

    Our current lease runs through July, 2011. Those of you with operational calendars will notice that it is currently February, 2011.

    I am looking forward to seeing what the head weasel complex manager has to say about that.

    I am going to go out on a limb and guess that he'll do what weasels managers usually do: pass the buck. I am wagering he will say that the head office decided that this would be The Way Things Will Be, and it was out of his hands. Forcing me to actually call the head office, which I was tempted to do (but did not actually do) in anger regarding the parking restriction mentioned above, and which I was tempted to do (but did not actually do) in amusement from our previous lease having a provision stating that it would be the sole responsibility of the tenants to take care of any necessary snow removal. This for a property in Key West, a subtropical island whose lowest recorded temperature was 41F, and thus, has never seen any snow, ever.

    The legality of this attempted end-around are questionable at best.
    The ethics are laughable.
    The greed of it is alarming. At a time when this complex is using big honking signs desperately trying to attract more residents to fill empty units, in an economy that even in Key West is a bit shaky for many people, this corporation felt it perfectly fine to attempt to increase their profit margin by eliminating an expense they had expressly stated in legal contracts that they would pay.

    It's an attempted money grab, pure and simple.

    Sadly, the money grab will work, one way or another. Even if I argue my case successfully to the complex manager or the head office, at best I will be receiving a reprieve of said fees until the end of this lease. It would be perfectly legal for them to change future leases to reflect this change in utility fee payment responsibility. Still greedy, still shady, but at least legal.

    Of course, my roommates and I are hoping for incompetence on their part, such as a simple reprint of our current lease with simply the relevant dates changed. Probably too much to ask for, as I expect not only the utility fee clause to be changed, but also the rent to be raised, which it was not from our last least to our current one.

    Had this corporation been at all smart, they would have simply raised rents on future leases to adjust for the garbage and sewer fees. Or even changed future leases to reflect the change in responsibility. But rather than do something smart like that, they have made themselves look like the greedy bastards they are by attempting to violate the terms of their own lease by telling residents they HAVE to start paying such fees immediately. I don't doubt that this will backfire on them, and they will lose some residents who decide there are greener (and less shady) pastures elsewhere.

    "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
    Still A Customer."


  • #2
    As a Qualifying Broker with the requisite Property Management credits in my state,while I know nothing of your state's regulations & of course cannot give legal advice,I still think you can tell them to go fuck themselves until your current lease is up.
    "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you.This is the principal difference between a man and a dog"

    Mark Twain

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    • #3
      And take a look at your local laws too. I'm not familiar with Florida law but in Massachusetts, back when I was renting, landlords HAD TO pay the water and sewer bills themselves. Billing a tenant for water or sewer was illegal. As was putting the water/sewer bill in the tenant's name. And if the lease stipulated otherwise, the law ALWAYS trumped the lease.

      Of course, this may not be the case in Florida. Or it may have been the case in the past but is no longer. You're covered until this lease ends, but it can't hurt to check the law for after this lease is up.

      Edit: OK. I did a very cursory scan of some consumer information sites in Florida. It looks like it is legal to do this provided that each unit has its own meter, which I believe the landlord pays to install. [To misquote you: I reserve the right to be spectacularly wrong, though. ]

      Regardless, you definitely DO want to check that your meter is supplying only your unit. My sister got burned because it turned out her gas meter was for her neighbor's apartment as well as her own. Nice of her to pay for the neighbor's heat, huh?
      Last edited by Dips; 02-24-2011, 12:20 PM.
      The best karma is letting a jerk bash himself senseless on the wall of your polite indifference.

      The stupid is strong with this one.

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      • #4
        Until the lease expires, it's a simple matter of contract law: they can't enforce it. Beyond that, it's a question of tenant-landlord law, and that will require a higher legal authority.

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        • #5
          Unfortunately, this looks like a fight I'm going to lose.

          How is that possible? Because further on in the same item I quoted about the utilities, it states that the landlord has the right to change the nature of the utilities as long as they provide the tenants with 30 days notice.

          That does not mean I am not going to fight this, though. I was on the horn with the manager of my complex Tuesday morning, and while he caved enough to give me to March 15th to change things over, rather than the 1st, it is clear he is not the one pushing the buttons. Not ready to back down, though, I insisted that he have someone from the head office contact me, so allegedly someone will in fact be calling me this weekend--I have the whole weekend off and told him that it would be the best time for someone to call.

          But I can see the writing on the wall, and it does not look good for us.

          That being said, something interesting popped up in my convo with the manager. It seems the City will still be charging the complex for servicing the dumpster, even after it is charging all the tenants for the same. When I asked him how they could legally double bill like that, he told me the person from the City simply told him that "that's the way it's done." So I may have an additional fight on my hands with the City. Because I'd love to know how double billing is even vaguely legal.

          Other than that and a pregnant teenage niece, it's been a pretty cool week.

          "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
          Still A Customer."

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          • #6
            That sucks. We only pay for electricity (and cable/phone/internet). Water, heat, trash, sewer, and snow are included in the rent.

            Quoth Jester View Post
            a pregnant teenage niece,
            Wait, what!??!

            (edit: found that thread. yikes.)
            Last edited by BookstoreEscapee; 02-26-2011, 07:58 PM.
            I don't go in for ancient wisdom
            I don't believe just 'cause ideas are tenacious
            It means that they're worthy - Tim Minchin, "White Wine in the Sun"

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            • #7
              Quoth BookstoreEscapee View Post
              That sucks. We only pay for electricity (and cable/phone/internet). Water, heat, trash, sewer, and snow are included in the rent.
              I have no problem paying for the water (which averages about $30 a month total for the three of us), as that has always been part of the deal in the five plus years we've lived here, and it was part of the lease. But to change the rules mid-game is fucking bullshit.

              "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
              Still A Customer."

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              • #8
                Quoth Jester View Post
                Unfortunately, this looks like a fight I'm going to lose.

                How is that possible? Because further on in the same item I quoted about the utilities, it states that the landlord has the right to change the nature of the utilities as long as they provide the tenants with 30 days notice.

                Again, check landlord/tenant law. Ontario law (not applicable in your case, but Florida may have something similar) states that if the landlord "breaks out" and starts charging for a service (or makes the tenant pay the 3rd party supplier directly) which formerly had been included in the rent, that's considered a rent increase. Looks like your landlord wants a rent increase before the lease is up - unless he reduces the rent to compensate for you paying the services directly, that sounds like breach of contract.
                Any fool can piss on the floor. It takes a talented SC to shit on the ceiling.

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                • #9
                  Feel for ya, Jester. They raised my rent last year and this year, after it being steady the first two years I lived here. That, and last year, renter's insurance (which is mandatory here, if you do not fax proof of renter's insurance to the property management company, you're evicted) went up over $20. I'll bet my bottom dollar it'll go up another $20 or more this year.

                  Funny thing, last year, more people moved out than any year I've lived here. The "For Rent" sign just went up last week. I bet this will be another year that people are moving out like nuts. It's just not that great of a deal anymore, this place.
                  You really need to see a neurologist. - Wagegoth

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                  • #10
                    You could argue that "the nature of the utilities" means how the trash is picked up, electric or gas appliances, etc. The responsibility of payment is not in the nature. I'd consult an attorney.

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                    • #11
                      Shadow, save your breath. I wasn't quoting verbatim. When I said the lease said they had the right to change the nature of the utilities, I meant who pays them as part of that nature. In other words, according to the lease, they are perfectly in their right to do this.

                      Even if it is completely fucked up.

                      Although I did notice that here it is, 2:30 on Sunday, and I still haven't gotten a call from these people, who were supposed to call me sometime this weekend.

                      Oh, is the manager gonna get an earful from me tomorrow morning if my phone continues to stay silent.

                      "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                      Still A Customer."

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                      • #12
                        As per West Virginia and for Maryland (for as long as i've been aware) Sewer and garbage have always been tacked onto the water bill. It's been itemized as idividual things on our bills, but it's ways been our responsibility.

                        *shrugs*

                        Still sucks for you
                        I can only please one person a day, today isn't your day, and tomorrow doesn't look good either.

                        When someone asks you a stupid question, give them a stupid answer.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Jester View Post
                          Oh, is the manager gonna get an earful from me tomorrow morning if my phone continues to stay silent.
                          Naturally, my phone stayed silent.

                          "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                          Still A Customer."

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                          • #14
                            Of course. Isn't that how it always is? It's either management, or the cable company who is always late :P
                            I can only please one person a day, today isn't your day, and tomorrow doesn't look good either.

                            When someone asks you a stupid question, give them a stupid answer.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth surreal20 View Post
                              Of course. Isn't that how it always is? It's either management, or the cable company who is always late :P
                              Late's one thing. Not even showing up is a completely different pitch selection.

                              Okay, you don't want to pitch to me at all? Doesn't mean I'm not going to find a way to use my baseball bat.

                              And here the manager thought I was pissed off on Tuesday. Silly rabbit!

                              "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                              Still A Customer."

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