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    We've never actually written down statistics, but probably 50% of the time we're getting yelled at, or bitched about, is because we're taking the blame of something that is YOUR fault.

    1. Top of our list would go to you guys calling in a script while the patient is sitting in your office and then telling them it'll be ready in an hour. No, you don't get to do that! Do we tell your patients to walk into your office and guarantee you'll see them as soon as they darken the door? No, we do not, for obvious reasons. An hour is our typical wait time for people who bring in written Rxs or ask for refills. Call ins, however, are a different kind of beast. Most of them get left on the IVR, and depending on how busy we are, a pharmacist may or may not get to it in a timely manner. Patient 'sees you' call in their stuff and then tootles right on over here expecting it to be done. You know what? I think half the time you're only pretending to call it over to get them off your back, because if they're pestering me for something at 12:30 and my pharmacist's voicemail is empty until 12:40, I'm calling bullshit. Save us a lot of time and just give them something handwritten. Don't insist on calling it in because "It's faster." Dr Call-Ins fall to the bottom of the priority list here. They are time consuming in the fact that an Rph has to listen to sometimes garbled voice messages in an already noisy environment, copy it down, and then hand it off to a tech for processing. That's assuming everything was clear and he doesn't have to call you for clarification on anything, thus taking up even more of his very limited time. He doesn't stand there by the phone to snatch it up every time it rings, and the IVR sometimes goes for up to 90 minutes before being checked, again, depending on how slammed we are.

    1.b. Telling a patient you'll call in a script and then forgetting about it. I understand you're busy and all, but meds won't do anyone any good if they never get them. And I don't mean the people that drive right from your office to the store. I mean they come to my counter on a Wednesday afternoon looking for something you promised them you'd call in on Friday morning, that we have no record of, and now they're out of pills. Awesome. It's even better when they show up on the weekend needing highly necessary maintenance meds that we can't call you on because you, unlike us, are CLOSED.

    2. SIGN your prescriptions.

    3. Put DIRECTIONS on them, too.

    4. Specify cream, tablet, lotion, or ointment. Seriously, how hard is this?

    5. Specify STRENGTH.

    6. This is another huge one but it falls low on the list because I've only seen it happen twice since starting in the pharm. You put your patient on insulin for the first time in their life. Understandably, this is a scary and intimidating thing for a lot of people. Educating the diabetic about insulin and how to give it to themselves is YOUR job. When a 70-something woman ripped open her bag and pulled out a box of Novilin, saying "This is all I get for that much money?!" I asked her if she normally gets more from us. "I dunno what I'm s'posed to get, I ain't never had this stuff before! Do I need needles?" Yes, it really was what it was. I let Crotchety Pharmacist® know what was going on and he probably spent 20 minutes trying to explain the concept to her and selecting syringes to buy. A consult from an Rph at a crowded retail pharmacy is far less preferable to hearing from an MD and being taught hands on what to do. Then a few months later it happened again, with a 30 something woman.

    "Do you have any questions for the pharmacist today?"

    "Yeah, I need him to show me how to use this."

    " . . . your insulin?"

    "Yeah."

    "Your doctor didn't tell you?"

    "No, he told us the pharmacist would do it when we got here."

    Really, what the hell are you charging these people for? I guess money for all those two week long vacations have to come from somewhere.

    To clarify, I have nothing against doctors in general, just this kind of sucky behavior we see from a few of them. We see it too much. Especially #1. It makes us hate you with the passion of a thousand fiery suns. I'm starting to think you all should be required to do a rotation in a pharmacy for a few weeks, just so you can see what it's like on our side of the counter. We are both here to serve our patients/customers. We are NOT your bitches.

    EDIT the second: Oh yeah. Stop pretending you know what stuff costs. It's obvious that you do not. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out but, the $4 drug list? That doesn't apply to every.single.drug.we.dispense. No one is walking in here and getting $4 oxycontin or Colcrys*. Also Medicaid/Medicare doesn't always cover everything, either. This is especially aimed at the douchewaffle who wrote Levaquin for the very elderly lady with a hacking cough and told her "It won't cost anything." Fuck you! I usually get pissed off when people give me the deer-in-the-headlights stare and their mind shuts down for a few minutes due to failure to process, but this time, I just felt really bad for her. She came in here expecting $0 and I presented her with a total of over $170 - Levaquin is expensive! I really and truly am waiting and dreading the day that will inevitably arrive in which a customer experiences genuine heart failure when they see their total, I really am.

    ** Yeah, generic Colchicine, used mostly for gout, used to be on our $4 list but recently had all generic versions pulled and was remarketed under the name Colcrys. It's also expensive as hell. Thanks, FDA.
    Last edited by ShinyGreenApple; 05-04-2011, 09:04 PM.
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  • #2
    My sympathies.

    1.b. Yeah, I had that happen to me. Doc-boy (half my age, never saw him before that visit...my primary wasn't available)...wanted me to start taking Vitamin D. Asked what pharm I normally used. I told him. I went there the next day...they had nothing. Next morning (now 2 days later) I called the HMO. Seems the doc "forgot" to call it in. I fume. Receptionist tells me it will be taken care of that day. I go back to the pharm. No scrip. Cue more fuming.

    Next day (now it's 3 days later) I called the HMO. Recept checks; turns out he called it in to a different pharm that I have NEVER USED. Luckily it's near the correct one. Best part? When I went to get the stuff, the pharmacist told me that the scrip was for the same stuff as the OTC Vitamin D and I wouldn't even be saving any money. I decided to buy the OTC. And I called in a complaint on the doctor to the HMO's customer service line. Idiot.
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    • #3
      Had the same thing happen to me with my dr., but it was his nurse that called it in! My doc was surprised and just told me the IU amount and tol d me to adjust the doseage of the meds

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      • #4
        MoonCat brought up another peeve: giving patients scripts for OTC meds, gah! Most of them aren't smart enough to realize you buy Mucinex from us, and once I even saw one written for Tylenol! It's especially frustrating when it's a Medicaid/Medicare customer and you have to explain to them that there's really not any way we can file a claim with the state for OTC stuff; they'll just have to pay for it. There are a few exceptions such as the gentleman whose wife picks up his meds, which are all covered by hospice. Then we'll take a box of Mucinex off the shelf and process it that way. But seriously, please, no more Rxs for Tylenol, regular strength vitamins or Ibuprofen, etc. Gah!
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        • #5
          On the note of writing prescriptions for otc stuff....my section 125 plan at work (where you take money out each paycheck to go into a pool to pay for co pays and medical supplies and stuff) recently stated that they will no longer pay for otc items that CAN be prescribed such as diabetic test strips and sharps. So while I can buy the otc I will save money (get money back) by getting them prescribed.
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          • #6
            Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
            ** Yeah, generic Colchicine, used mostly for gout, used to be on our $4 list but recently had all generic versions pulled and was remarketed under the name Colcrys. It's also expensive as hell. Thanks, FDA.
            Freaking tell me about it ... I was seriously pissed as hell because originally they were going to take colchicine off the market entirely and make it only that combo pill ...

            I take the damned stuff for CPPD, *not gout* and I not only dont need the other med, but it would be really *bad* for me.

            I guess enough people complained that they decided to toss us a sop of being able to pay through the nose for plain generic bog standard been used for hundreds of years colchicine ...
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            • #7
              Here most doctors send their prescriptions to a common database and any pharmacy can bring it up and dispense it. If you had the right code, you could go and see all my prescriptions from the last couple of years and hospital visits from, I think, the last thirty years. I know my hepatitis is there and that was in '78.
              You can always log in and see your own data. I have read all the gory details from my operations last spring .

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              • #8
                Arrgh.

                Colcrys.

                Don't remind me.

                Colchicine has been on the market since at least the early 1800s, and the plant from which it's isolated has been used medicinally since about 1500 BCE. Problem is, it was around before the FDA was founded (1938) so it never had to be proven effective, only "Generally Recognized As Safe". There hadn't been any studies done, as that costs money, and which drug company is going to shell out the big bucks for studies on a drug that's non-patentable (because it's been around for literally millennia) only to have every other generic manufacturer jump on the bandwagen and get an approval for pennies on the dollar?

                In recent years, though, all these unapproved drugs have been going under the FDA's microscope, and they've been requiring NDAs (New Drug Applications) for them, with all the studies and expenses those entail, and whoever's first gets a de facto period of exclusivity on the market in lieu of a patent. Of course this means that the price will go up, sometimes by several hundred fold. They do it for the same reason the dog licks himself: because they can.

                I've seen it happen with quite a few older drugs over the past few years. Today it's Colcrys (which went from a couple dollars for a bottle of a hundred to around four dollars a tablet); yesterday (OK, 2007) it was Mucinex (a.k.a. Entex-PSE); the year before that it was quinine (which has been on the market since at least 1631!) and before that it was levothyroxine, all the manufacturers of which had to submit NDA's. Synthroid, the innovator product, almost got pulled because Abbott didn't want to spend the money on the NDA.

                Then there were all the cough syrups containing hydrocodone. I've had patients who were drinking that stuff in beverage quantities; all gone now, except for the one with atropine in it.

                Details on this are available on FDA's website at this page.

                A related rant concerns generic drugs whose manufacturers have dwindled to only one, which suddenly wakes up to the fact that they have a de-facto monopoly and raise the price through the roof. Bacitracin sterile opthalmic ointment used to cost 87¢ a tube when three or four companies were producing it; now that there's only one, it's $47.05. Similarly for Vosol-HC, acetic acid with hydrocortisone ear drops. Used to be around $10 a bottle, now it's $122.95. Worst part of this is, the reimbursements don't necessarily keep pace with this, and the third party payors will sometimes reimburse at the old price; if you don't check to see that you're being paid, you might lose a buttload of money.

                @AccountingDrone: There's payment assistance available from the manufacturer if you have no insurance or stupidly high co-pays for Colcrys. See this link for details.

                (Colcrys was granted 3 years exclusivity for treatment of gout flares, and 7 years for FMF under the Orphan Drug program. Generic should be available as of 1/30/2012, but don't expect it to be as cheap as it has been heretofore, even then.)

                @SGA: Around here (NY/NJ), medicaid will pay for some, but not all, OTCs if a fiscal order (that's NY-ese for a written prescription for an item that doesn't require one) is given. Doesn't stop doctors from writing them even when the patient is self-pay or on commercial insurance.

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                • #9
                  Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                  "Do you have any questions for the pharmacist today?"

                  "Yeah, I need him to show me how to use this."

                  " . . . your insulin?"

                  "Yeah."

                  "Your doctor didn't tell you?"

                  "No, he told us the pharmacist would do it when we got here."
                  The issue here is these patients need to be educated by a nurse diabetic educator. Management of diabetes is too complicated to go over in a 15 minute doctor's appointment. These patients should get their first insulin during a home visit so they can be educated in depth.


                  Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                  ** Yeah, generic Colchicine, used mostly for gout, used to be on our $4 list but recently had all generic versions pulled and was remarketed under the name Colcrys. It's also expensive as hell. Thanks, FDA.
                  Don't get me started on this one lest I wander into Fratching territory.

                  Quoth Sandman View Post
                  Had the same thing happen to me with my dr., but it was his nurse that called it in! My doc was surprised and just told me the IU amount and tol d me to adjust the doseage of the meds
                  It was probably not a nurse, but a medical assistant. Many doctor's offices don't even have nurses any more . . . too expensive.

                  Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                  MoonCat brought up another peeve: giving patients scripts for OTC meds, gah! Most of them aren't smart enough to realize you buy Mucinex from us, and once I even saw one written for Tylenol! It's especially frustrating when it's a Medicaid/Medicare customer and you have to explain to them that there's really not any way we can file a claim with the state for OTC stuff; they'll just have to pay for it. There are a few exceptions such as the gentleman whose wife picks up his meds, which are all covered by hospice. Then we'll take a box of Mucinex off the shelf and process it that way. But seriously, please, no more Rxs for Tylenol, regular strength vitamins or Ibuprofen, etc. Gah!
                  I used to see a lot of this in California. Medi-Cal would, or at leased used to, pay for OTC meds if a doc wrote a script. We got a lot of these patients in the ER demanding things like Tylenol or Sudafed . . . and of course being EWs because the wait time in the waiting room was "too long."

                  The hospice I work part time for subsidizes OTC meds too . . . there are many that are very useful in the management of the dying process. Our patients have a $5 or less co pay.
                  They say that God only gives us what we can handle. Apparently, God thinks I'm a bad ass.

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                  • #10
                    I think I know what company you work for and I am sooooo glad I don't work for them anymore. I've moved to a mail-order pharmacy and don't have to deal with the general public.

                    Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                    We've never actually written down statistics, but probably 50% of the time we're getting yelled at, or bitched about, is because we're taking the blame of something that is YOUR fault.
                    What she said times a million. And is it me, or should they be able to properly spell the drug they're writing for? I had playing "guess the drug".

                    Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                    ** Yeah, generic Colchicine, used mostly for gout, used to be on our $4 list but recently had all generic versions pulled and was remarketed under the name Colcrys. It's also expensive as hell. Thanks, FDA.
                    And wasn't it fun when they did that with albuterol a couple of years ago?
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Pagan View Post



                      And wasn't it fun when they did that with albuterol a couple of years ago?
                      Did they? I only started cashiering/sales in the pharmacy last October. I know when I got my Albuterol in '06, it was just a $10 copay. Ah, nothing like being diagnosed with asthma on 6/6/06 I still got a 'point' for missing work that day, even when I explained I woke up not really able to breathe

                      Must have had at least ten customers today, through my line alone, looking for non-existent Dr. Call-In orders. Look, I was all "OMG yay, it's Friday and I wanna hit the beach tomorrow!" but I didn't let it stop me from doing my job. Gawd.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth ShinyGreenApple View Post
                        Ah, nothing like being diagnosed with asthma on 6/6/06
                        Try almost having your child on 6/6/06


                        I had the child's pediatrician write a scrip for the OTC Children's Claritin so I could use my flex spending account. The Feds passed a law that you can no longer use your flex account to purchase OTC medications starting 1/1/11. What did I do on 12/31/10? I went to Target and spent about $100 stocking up on anything and everything OTC.

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                        • #13
                          Number 1 sort of happened to me. They ended up faxing over the script for the cough medicine instead of sending it whatever method they did for the others so the cute pharmacist intern had to go try to track down whether or not I was to have wonderful cough syrup.

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                          • #14
                            Synthroid...? o_O Oh shit, I take that...or maybe "took" that is the proper word to use >_< Scrip ran out and haven't been able to afford a doc visit to get it renewed quite yet. Argh.
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                            • #15
                              My favorite example of the drug-price change is Auralgan. Been around longer than I've been alive, cheaper that dirt. Went generic ages ago, they stopped making the brand name. Well, a few years ago, one of the big pharmaceutical companies bought the brand name, added acetic acid to the formulation (vinegar in simpler terms), and put it on the market. Price difference: about 150 bucks. And as most doctors still used the old brand name, now we have to call to get it changed to the cheaper formulation.
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