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  • Client Threatening to Sue (again)

    As Kia put it, I get the most "speshul clients".

    Ok, so a year ago, right about when Ex-Coder started to decline...we had this one project, where they asked for an extra item, if it was possible to pull off. Coder said he thought he could, but wasn't sure.

    We completed the project, and then looked into the extra little item...and coder spent hours trying to do it. No dice. Well, client wasn't happy, and kept claiming it was easy to do, but coder said he wasn't versed in this sort of thing, and that if they had someone who could do it, to use them. They supposedly did, so that was that.

    Afterwards, they contacted me off and on for a couple of weeks needing other edits done by the coder, and eventually....well, I'm not sure what happened. I put them in touch with him directly and explained that if they needed extra coding stuff, they had to go to *him*.

    Seemed to be fine and dandy, heck, we talked a lot afterwards, chatted about games and such, and the client even dropped me a surprise present of PSN network cards as a thank you for always being so helpful.


    So this week was a total shock, then.


    Few days ago, he shows up, frustrated about their new site they're launching, and asks me about Ex-Coder. I explain what's transpired since then and now, and help them out with some new coders they can use, and offering that if they want to buy stuff for the new site, I'll give a discount. He asks momentarily if I will give him a free template, and I politely decline, saying again, discount only, no freebies. He says nah, that's fine, thank you for helping us find someone to change these additional edits the coder didn't finish. (Emphasis on that is mine. Additional. Edits. After the project.)

    So, unrelated, I thought, I get an email and Im from a client, letting me know a new site had cropped up that was stealing images of mine. I checked, and yeah, they were stealing four images from different sites that I did. I sent over a polite C&D, asking to please remove the images as they came from this site and this site, and that if they did not reply, I'd just ask their hosting company to remove the images. (This is actually super polite, standard is "pull them or I sue you into the ground")

    Imagine my surprise when the website contacts me back, and its the ex-client. Oh.

    They're stating that some third party sold them the images, so its not their fault, but oh, while they have me here, they'd like to inform me of something.

    Supposedly, the project they paid me for was never completed, and therefore because of that, they suffered "huge losses in business", and therefore are demanding that I either give them a full refund, or give them a free premade template. Oh, and I have to decide which way by the end of today. They emailed me this at 5 am my time. So that's....12 hours notice? If that? Otherwise, they'll "see me in court".

    I'm smelling a pile of poop here, and I'm honestly really ticked about it. I've been nothing but helpful and friendly to them, and they turn around and do this?

    I replied rather nicely, saying I was confused by all of this, after their earlier claims that everything was sorted. And I also showed how the offers page they claimed was not done, WAS completed, and that since the additional edit of the item was the only thing missing...I did not see how this was my fault. I also asked why if this was such a huge issue, it took them a YEAR to say something to me.

    Even better, they're refusing to pull the stolen images. They're claiming that they're "investigating the alleged theft", even though I linked them directly to the site they're being stolen from.




    I'm fairly sure my butt is covered for this. I think. I have lots of emails and IM logs of them, yes, kvetching about the coder not replying to some of their emails, but long story short, I figure its like this: It was an additional item they were originally informed we weren't sure we could do, and the coder couldn't. They asked me a year later to point them at someone who could do it, and I did. Thirdly. THEY WAITED A YEAR. We've chatted many, many times in between then, so if this was such a big issue, why not say something BEFORE.

    I guess, though....I don't know if I should be like, here, take this $80 item, and gtfo. Rather than go through this.
    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

    "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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    If you give them anything, they'll grab for more. Stand your ground.
    Curiously Lydean - curious interests of a curious person.

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    • #3
      Or you could raise $100,000 for bears and cancer research.

      They stole your stuff. Don't let them bully you. If it's the best business decision to give them a free edit, go do it. But be sure to go ahead and contact their hosting company to get their site pulled.

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      • #4
        Sounds like a bluff to me. Refuse to communicate with them any further...refer all communication to your lawyer. Don't be surprised if you never hear from them again.
        I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my keister!

        Who is John Galt?
        -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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        • #5
          Well, I've sent them a letter with attached proof documenting all the times they stated that their coder was working on it instead of mine, and how they literally FORGOT they weren't charged for that extra edit because my coder couldn't do it. To quote the client in the IM "oh....derp."

          Yeah, they basically kept forgetting that we told them WE CANT DO THAT.

          Also, the client whose site they're stealing the images from just found out about it. He's ticked. So now he's got the site owner AND the person who created said images ticked at him....and both of them hold a lot of clout in the industry. Plus, now he's on the hook for about $150k + in statutory damages for copyright infringement.

          I told him he has the option to either pursue this in court and pay up, or to drop it, and remove the images, and we'll call it good.
          By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

          "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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          • #6
            heh i'm betting they'll fold quickly.
            or turn themselves into a bigger derp

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            • #7
              I recognise this - it's the old "you're pissed off at me, so I'll become pissed off at you to try and get you unpissed off at me" routine...
              This was one of those times where my mouth says "have a nice day" but my brain says "go step on a Lego". - RegisterAce
              I can't make something magically appear to fulfill all your hopes and dreams. Believe me, if I could I'd be the first person I'd help. - Trixie

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              • #8
                Seraph, you lead the most unusual life sometimes.

                Seraph: Enemy of Normalcy </DOOM>

                Quoth RealUnimportant View Post
                I recognise this - it's the old "you're pissed off at me, so I'll become pissed off at you to try and get you unpissed off at me" routine...
                The only time that routine works is if you have the high ground in the argument that ensues. And even then, it only neuters their argument, but not the being-pissed-off-ness.
                PWNADE(TM) - Serve up a glass today! | PWNZER - An act of pwnage so awesome, it's like the victim got hit by a tank.

                There are only Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse because I choose to walk!

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                • #9
                  Update: Ex-client isn't responding to the email, but to the great glee of the site whose pics he's also stealing...has removed the images. I'm gonna guess that's a silent acceptance to just drop the whole thing.

                  Quoth RealUnimportant View Post
                  I recognise this - it's the old "you're pissed off at me, so I'll become pissed off at you to try and get you unpissed off at me" routine...
                  I have the high ground, Anakin.

                  Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                  Seraph, you lead the most unusual life sometimes.

                  Seraph: Enemy of Normalcy </DOOM>
                  ....I know.

                  Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                  The only time that routine works is if you have the high ground in the argument that ensues. And even then, it only neuters their argument, but not the being-pissed-off-ness.
                  I REPEAT, ANAKIN. HIGH. GROUND.

                  Oh look, now I've gone and chopped his legs off. :<
                  By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                  "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                  • #10
                    It's only a flesh wound!
                    https://purplefish-quilting.square.site/

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Kanalah View Post
                      It's only a flesh wound!
                      I'll bite your knees off!
                      The High Priest is an Illusion!

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                      • #12
                        Nothing from them at all. Usually when I've emailed them before, for everything else, its a quick response time....but this is absolutely zilch response. Hopefully, it stays that way. :P
                        By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                        "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                        • #13
                          Seraph, your SCs must come from another planet or something. Their advancement of suck seems to be beyond anything developed by human civilization.

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                          • #14
                            I was wrong. Not surprised. They JUST sent me an email a few minutes ago thanking me for helping them clear up their copyright issue, and telling me I'd better pay them now before they bring me to court.
                            By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                            "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Seraph View Post
                              I was wrong. Not surprised. They JUST sent me an email a few minutes ago thanking me for helping them clear up their copyright issue, and telling me I'd better pay them now before they bring me to court.
                              They do understand you've done nothing wrong, that they'd be laughed out of court, and that if they did sue you then you could probably counter sue for the expenses of going to court.
                              How was I supposed to know someone was slipping you Birth Control in the food I've been making for you lately?

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