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  • Neighbor's Kid, Round Two. (long, need some parenting wisdom)

    As this wasn't really *Life* Advice, didn't know if this should go there or not. Apologies.

    So anyways, there's not a lot of kids in our neighborhood, just two girls that are sorta kinda near my kid's age. One of them, I'm perfectly fine with, she's a sweetie, and she understands how I don't want random kids inside the house.

    Second one, I've mentioned here before, she's disobedient, and the subject of this thread. We'll call her Mab. She's eight, which means, she knows better for a lot of things.

    So, Mab visited yesterday, and there was a small incident where I found a baby frog, and brought it to the kids to see. I explained they needed to be gentle, and as my kids are very gentle with small things, left it at that. An hour later, my oldest comes in crying that the frog is dead, and I run out to see what happened. Mab claims it just "fell over dead", I suspect bullcrud, but take the frog away and bury it.

    Today, Mab comes by again, and they find a second baby frog. Alllrighties, I explain how to be gentle again, and have to leave for a bit to talk on the phone with family. I'm checking on them frequently, so I figured, not a big issue. I noticed after about 20 minutes, that the frog is gone, and my oldest explains that the frog ran away. Ok, at least its alive.

    Well, an hour later, Mab complains she's hot, and hungry, so I give the kids all popsicles. She doesn't even say thank you, but my kids do. Eh, whatever. After she devours it, she asks for more snacks. I explain that I don't want to cause problems for her parents, but then my kids also ask, and I offer a snacksize applesauce, with the stipulation of no more snacks. Again, no thank you, just nom nom. Alllllrighties.

    I'm cleaning house, when Mab sends in my oldest to ask for more snacks. I explain no, and then she explains "Mab says that she wants you to cook her food, she says her mom never feeds her, and that you have to make her food." Say WHAT.

    Lemme tell you, that kid is OBVIOUSLY not underfed, she's quite healthy looking.

    I say no, but hey, if they're really THAT starving, I have raisins. Mab says no, she wants me to COOK food. Yeah well, that ain't happening, if she wants food, she's more than welcome to go home, and she can come back afterwards. Mab declines, and skips off to play more.

    A few minutes later, both of my kids come in crying, Mab shot them with the hose at full blast. I change their shirts, go outside and am very stern, explaining that if the hose goes on again, there will be TROUBLE. Mab puts on an innocent face, and says that it was an accident. BS. I go back inside to pop the shirts in the laundry, and as I come back upstairs, kids are awaiting me, crying, because Mab shot them AGAIN.

    I go outside, tell Mab to cut it out. Literally. And that if stuff keeps going on, she'll need to go home. Mab pouts, but walks off from the hose.

    At this point, I'm very frustrated. So when my oldest comes in not FIVE MINUTES later and tells me Mab is saying she wants to come inside and play (cardinal rule, no kids inside, she KNOWS this)...and suddenly....behind her I see Mab, sneaking into our den, I snap (sort of).

    In the words of Rarity, OH. IT. IS. ON.

    Mab claims she just "needs to use the bathroom". Yes well, you have no idea where the bathrooms are, use the guest one, and then you need to go home. You can come back later tonight, but playtime is now over. Mab then loudly says in front of the kids "Well if I have to go home, IM NOT COMING BACK TO PLAY AGAIN."

    This floors my poor kids, who look horrified, and my younger one nearly bursts into tears. I inform Mab that well, that's just too bad, go potty, and that I'm sure we'll see her again later.

    After mab's inglorious departure, my oldest is near tears, and I ask her what happened outside. Its then I hear the worst part of it.

    Remember the frog I mentioned? That randomly disappeared? Apparently, Mab was torturing it, prying its mouth open and trying to shove rocks in there. My kids took it away from her, telling her that was not good to do, and Mab promptly grabbed it back. And then, "tried to shove a stick up its butt, and was laughing, saying look its a frog on a stick". Its a bit jumbled at this point, because it upset my kids a lot, but somehow there was a struggle over the frog and it escaped down through the planks in the porch.

    I don't know what to do now. I am extremely ticked that she'd do this, and that she constantly acts this way....but I know this neighborhood. If I exile the kid, we're gonna be seen as the bad guys, and it'll be very difficult for my kids to make friends. I guess at this point, I'm going to have to completely keep a constant watch on them, whenever Mab is over. This is going to cause massive problems, frankly, I'm gonna have to basically just do my work at night, which will torch the last bits of free time that I have.

    So, so frustrated, and not sure how to handle this, besides the constant monitoring. Which, of course, shoots me in the foot.
    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

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    I had a neighbor kid, growing up, who was a lot like Mab.

    He molested my sister, and served/ is serving (not sure which, don't really care) time in prison for attempted murder.

    I'm, sorry, but you've got to protect your kids from that little hellion. She's got some serious problems, and she might try to get your kids to act like her. No good can come from their interaction with Mab.

    It also sounds like they don't like her much either. I'd talk with your kids and find out if they want to play with her.
    Last edited by Victory Sabre; 07-17-2012, 11:27 PM.
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    • #3
      Mab needs to go. She's rude, ungrateful, and more trouble than she's worth.

      You need to explain to your kids she's not allowed over in your yard anymore after the frog incidents. You needn't say more than that; I think your kids will get it.
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      • #4
        Personally, after all that, Mab would be persona non grata at my house. I wouldn't worry about what other parents think, but if they say anything to you about it, just tell them the truth.
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        • #5
          Do you know Mab's parents? My mother's cardinal rule was no one over to the house and you don't get to play at someone else's house until she meet the parents.

          This girl needs help. Someone needs to have a talk with her parents and let them know what she is doing. A call to child service would not be out of line.

          You have two choices.
          Ban this girl from being near your children
          Supervise them 100% of the time she is around.

          The next time she feels like shoving rocks in some thing's mouth or a stick up some thing's @$$, it could be your kids.
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          • #6
            Can you talk to her parents? Honestly, who cares what others think when it comes to your kids safety. She disrespect/disobeys you (hose), trys to boss you around (make me food), tortures animals, and it's entirely possible she will hurt your kids. Either way her parents need to know what she is doing. They may not be aware, or they may just not care. What I would do would depend on a talk with the parents. If nothing comes of that talk, ban her from your house. If she keeps coming over, I'm not sure what you could do though.

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            • #7
              Good idea, I might try and talk to her parents sometime this week, and see what transpires from that. Will be awkward "hey, so your kid apparently was torturing frogs in my yard...", and I have a feeling it'll tick off my neighbors, but nothing for it.
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              • #8
                Mab seriously needs help. See if you can talk to the parents but I agree on banning Mab from playing with your kids.
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                • #9
                  Disclaimer: I am not and never will be a parent.

                  I'd have been having a chat with her parents as soon as the second hose incident. She is purposefully and willfully going directly against the express command of an adult who is "in charge" of the area she is currently visiting.

                  Also, her parents might like to be aware that she is (most likely) lying about not being fed at home.

                  And, last but absolutely not least, the fact that she thinks it's a-ok to torture a small animal to death makes me wonder if she's a sociopath. She's old enough to have learned to be quite the little manipulator, and she certainly appears to have no qualms at all telling whatever lie she thinks will get her what she wants.

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                  • #10
                    Yep, after the hose thing she would have been sent home, bye-bye, MAYBE you can come back tomorrow if you think about what I said and decide you can follow the rules. If your kids cry, ask them why they want to play with a girl who teases and torments them. But then, I have very little patience with other people's children.

                    At this point, I would speak to her parents. I would let them know that she seems to have trouble following the rules you lay down, tells lies, and maybe somehow you can work in the frog incident (I don't know how though, that would be very awkward...but I think it has to be said, somehow. It is very disturbing). If her parents say 'Kids will be kids...", tell them as long as Mab keeps being that kind of kid, she is banned from playing with your girls. They might get mad, but they raised her to be a hellion so can deal with it.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Seraph View Post
                      Good idea, I might try and talk to her parents sometime this week, and see what transpires from that. Will be awkward "hey, so your kid apparently was torturing frogs in my yard...", and I have a feeling it'll tick off my neighbors, but nothing for it.
                      Hopefully this will work but I doubt it. I have family in my neighborhood that is like that. The mother could care less. As a matter of fact when we caught her kids in our pool while we were away from home and told the mother about it she accused us of lying. And "even if they were they didn't harm anything by it." NOT! If one of the kids drown in the pool I'm sure we would have been sued asap. The older kids have all had run-in's with they law and I am sure destined to jail time. Mom has had her share of jail time also. I had to ban them all from our house. It is hard but it is necessary if you don't want your kids later in life to be influenced by the negative behavior.

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                      • #12
                        This child is out of control. She's dangerous. Kids who torture animals usually move on to hurting other people, but even if they didn't, that in itself is enough to keep her away.

                        Next time she comes around I'd tell her she's not allowed in my yard or around my kids. Whether you speak to her parents is up to you. I just know that if it was me, I would not allow this kid anywhere near my kids or property ever again.
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                        • #13
                          I would drop the banhammer and use it as a teaching moment for the kids. Other children who hurt animals on purpose and disobey adults willfully are DANGEROUS. I would not hesitate to call the parents and explain why she is not welcome plus the lie about not being fed. I know confrontations are painful, but you are defending your kids. Can you be as tough and ruthless in this confrontation as you are when necessary in your business?

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                          • #14
                            I would ban that kid from setting foot anywhere near my property, and to make sure I don't look like the bad guy I would make sure everyone knew what she was doing. I would let them know she's a liar, disrespectful, doesn't listen when told not to do something, and apparently likes to torture small animals. If she doesn't like the fact that people will ignore and stay away from her after that, well it's her own damn fault isn't it. Yeah I know she's 8, but as you said she's old enough to know better.
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                            • #15
                              Quoth MoonCat View Post
                              This child is out of control. She's dangerous. Kids who torture animals usually move on to hurting other people, but even if they didn't, that in itself is enough to keep her away.
                              This. 100% this.

                              This goes far beyond the occasional "pull the cats tail because I don't know any better". She's deliberately torturing it and it sounds like she needs help. NOW.

                              Quoth Taurus52 View Post
                              I would not hesitate to call the parents and explain why she is not welcome plus the lie about not being fed. I know confrontations are painful, but you are defending your kids.
                              Again, 100% this. It can be painful, but you are protecting your own children from people like her. It's painfully clear that your kids were distressed by what was happening the other day, so therefore, the kids won't kick up a fuss.
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