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  • Seraph Nearly Gets Sued. Again. (How Many Times Is This Now?)

    Apparently, I court disastrous lawsuits every once in a while. (see what I did there?)

    I also waited to post this until the complete all clear was given.

    Big Note: Company names substituted for darned good reason. I don't normally do this, so you know I mean business, lol.

    So anyways, last month, a client who I'd just completed a new design for messages me. He asks if I remember a design I'd done for him previously to that one....which was about four years ago at this point. I said, well, vaguely, but I do remember it.

    "Ok, because I just got a legal letter from Boop Images saying I owe them $150,000 because you used a copyrighted image on it without permission."

    /cue spittake

    I always, always check my image sources, ever since a fateful day about six years ago. A guy I knew on a forum was hit with a suit for $1.6 million for some Boop images he'd used without permission. (Protip: using images you find off Google Search is a HORRIBLE idea). That was MORE than enough to teach me to be careful.

    "I'm not paying this fine, you are. I'll sue you for this."

    So, with my client screaming at me like crazy, I pull up the design in question and scan the images I used. All of them I distinctly remember using from purchases or from a free stock image site. I try to go pull up my stock folder, and to my dismay, and horrible luck, turns out I don't have it anymore, nor any of the images from that time. A quick check confirms it was during the time I had one of my hard drive failures. Oh boy.

    To pacify client in the meantime, I explain to him my image policy, and that I need a bit to try and dig up where I'd gotten that image from. I explain it probably was one of several large stock stores, but that I needed to confirm. I ask that he remains calm, and to just wait for a few.

    Does he? Nope!

    Not three minutes later, Client then tells me he called up Boop Images, who claims there is no way I could've purchased/downloaded it at ALL, and that they'd be willing to settle for a "slightly, slightly lower sum". Oooh, that sounds shady.

    I immediately tell client to cut it out, and to calm down, I'm trying to find out what's going on, and remember my source for the image. But now, my research has taken a different turn.

    You see, the second they offered him to settle for a lower amount, within MINUTES of his call, it brought up red flags. I then searched for similar issues, and BAM. Turns out, this is a common tactic for Boop Images. They'll find websites that might have used an image of theirs at one point, and then will hit them with a letter demanding massive sums of money. Whether or not the website is actually guilty....they don't care. Its all intimidation. If they can get them to pay an amount, ANY AMOUNT, it's theirs fair and square. They basically run around bullying sites into paying them extortion fees, for imagined copyright issues. (Which, I'll admit, there's probably some actual guilty ones out there, but they seem rather trigger happy) Secondly, if a website receives a copyright infringement notice, simply removing the image would be considered complying with the notice, and therefore...you don't have to pay the fees.

    Another interesting note I found on this same issue? If a website DID actually use an image without permission, the designer is not at fault, it's considered the client's, as they are supposed to exercise due diligence in double checking all the images used on their site. Interesting, but not something I feel like using as an excuse to leave my client in the lurch for.

    But, at this point, I have a lucky moment. I remember that I used to use this one free stock image website ALL the time back then, and that's where I got the image. I quickly head on over to the site...and....my heart plummets.

    Turns out that two years ago, Boop Images acquired said free stock photo site. And promptly removed all the good free images, and started charging for them. HOWEVER, I got this image off them before the buyout. Shabam! I'm definitely in the free and clear now!

    Client, however, is still not happy with this, and by the time I get back...is now on the phone with his lawyer. Lawyer is confused by what's going on, and I lay it all out for him. How the image was taken from a free site, which is now under Boop's control, and how the image was no longer in use anyways, and how they were trying to basically bully Client.

    Lawyer laughed. He literally laughed.

    And promptly told client to "Tell Boop I'm calling them on their bull****. And leave that poor woman alone, she's completely right."

    My client got reaaaal quiet at that point, said a tiny "thank you..." and then went to go call Boop back. When he got back, he told us that as soon as he told the Boop Images rep all of that, she hung up on him without a single word. Lawyer again laughed, and said yep, that's because their bluff got called.

    We all waited for a few weeks....but there hasn't been another single peep out of Boop.

    I'm just grateful that I learned from that hard lesson all those years ago...and I hope that maybe, if any of you guys also use images on your website/blog/whatever without making sure it's okay to use it? Check. You never know. :P

    ** Please note that I'm not a lawyer, I just tried to do my research, do not take anything I've posted as solid gold gospel, k?
    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

    "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

  • #2
    You. Are. Awesome.

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    • #3
      Win for Seraph! Excellent!
      I have a...thing. Wanna see it?

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      • #4
        Boop images, I see what you did there
        Suckiness is reinforced up OR down at every transaction. Accepting BS makes them worse for all of us; firm fairness trains them to suck less.

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        • #5
          Quoth Automan Empire View Post
          Boop images, I see what you did there
          It works though, doesn't it?
          By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

          "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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          • #6
            I'm a photographer, so all of the images I use are my own.

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            • #7
              My daughter is using some images on her website. She contacted the artists and asked permission. Mainly because since it is open to gamers(if they actually find it, she has her own world to play Pfinder in. with her own gods and new races ect..) so she didn't want anything shady.

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              • #8
                Question:
                Does this count as extortion? Boop Images says "oh you are using one of our pics" to a person. The person realized "oh shit, am I? I dunno" and tells Boop "uh, sorry. I'll settle for $10, kthxbye". Or is Boop kinda shady BUT following up on their IP?
                In my heart, in my soul, I'm a woman for rock & roll.
                She's as fast as slugs on barbituates.

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                • #9
                  Quoth Der Cute View Post
                  Question:
                  Does this count as extortion? Boop Images says "oh you are using one of our pics" to a person. The person realized "oh shit, am I? I dunno" and tells Boop "uh, sorry. I'll settle for $10, kthxbye". Or is Boop kinda shady BUT following up on their IP?
                  Its legalized extortion. So...both, really. They're preying mostly on people who don't realize what they're doing is wrong, and hit them with a huge number, then settle for a few hundred to maybe a couple of thousand. Technically, they are right to take down copyright infringements, but demanding money upfront's the shady part.
                  By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                  "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                  • #10
                    This is the same sort of tactic the RIAA and MPAA use.

                    I expect that with a few more high-profile cases over the issue and there will be new laws in place to prevent abuse by copyright holders.

                    ^-.-^
                    Faith is about what you do. It's about aspiring to be better and nobler and kinder than you are. It's about making sacrifices for the good of others. - Dresden

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                    • #11
                      **** ***** do the same thing, there was an incident relating to a forum based service site I worked for...shut the whole service down.
                      Last edited by Rapscallion; 11-09-2012, 06:11 AM. Reason: Company name munged because it's the same place ~R

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                      • #12
                        Seraph ROCKS. Again. (How Many Times Is This Now?)

                        Fixed 4 ya.

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                        • #13
                          Think of all the money you could have made if you used the same tactics on other websites that stole your templates.
                          To right the countless wrongs of our days... We shine this light of true redemption, that this place may become as paradise...Oh, what a wonderful world such would be...

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Seraph View Post
                            Another interesting note I found on this same issue? If a website DID actually use an image without permission, the designer is not at fault, it's considered the client's, as they are supposed to exercise due diligence in double checking all the images used on their site. Interesting, but not something I feel like using as an excuse to leave my client in the lurch for.
                            Out of curiosity, if a client asked for source information on all the images used (e.g., the locations on a free stock image website) as part of the delivery, how much of a headache would that be?

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                            • #15
                              Back when I was helping a friend out with some wildlife photos for his website, I ran afoul of something similar.

                              I love taking wildlife photos. Before the 2005 floods in Keene NH wiped out my storage unit and my nice 35mm SLR camera, I used to mount that sucker on a modified gun stock. That way I could stabilize the camera without needing to set up a tripod and waste precious seconds that could mean the critter wanders off.

                              One of the things I would do is on the day I'm taking the photos, I'll take a picture of a handheld white board with time, date and location of where I was filming. After I'd get some good shots of a critter, I'd then use the whiteboard and id the critter and the time the shots were taken. If I'd run through a roll of film, I'd use the board again to identify the time, date, location and the fact that this was roll 2 (or three...or four...).

                              When it came time to scan the images I would edit the image proterties with my contact information, what roll of film, which strip from the roll and which image on the strip it was.

                              Made it easy to file and catalog my negatives and find them if anyone wanted an enlargement.

                              I'd use my digimarc to embed in the watermark I subscribed to. That way I knew what images were mine. I'd also scan in the negatives as negative strips so I could match an image to what sequence.

                              So when someone claimed that my friend was using an image that they took, I took great enjoyment in sending them my proof that the image in question was taken by my hand and taken on my grandmother's land.

                              They went from demanding money or they'll sue to begging me not to sue them as I was threatening.
                              I never lost my faith in humanity. Can't lose what you never had right?

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