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    I will try and avoid spoilers, but if you want to see this movie and want to be completely suprised, stop reading NOW.

    I saw this the other day, and to my surprise, really enjoyed it.

    I disliked the first movie - the characters were parodies of the original crew, the humour was off, the villain's motivation was stupid, it was a very cliched Trek movie plot....

    But this was much, much better. The characters were well written and played, the interplay between them was straight out of the original series, the plot was not a staright forword movie cliche (although there is a big Trek trope). There was a good balance between character/emotion and effects/action.

    I really expected the new movie to trample it's size 10 3D boots all over my favourite Star Trek movie The Wrath of Khan. But it didn't. It did things very differently. Even the scenes it borrowed from the original were done differently.

    There a still a few things I dislike about the reboot - the Enterprise engine room and especially the shafts and bridges seen in this film. The ship entering the atmosphere. The tendancy to use black ships for the bad guys. There were several things that I though were Trekishly bad in this film too, but they were minor niggles.

    Anyone else seen it? What did you think?

    I saw it in 2D. Was it worth seeing in 3D?
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  • #2
    3D wasn't bad, not seen the 2D to compare. It really did evoke a huge sense of the original series, and I loved it for that. A few sneaky references here or there that made me grin.

    Two thumbs up!

    As to the different design internally, that did make me raise my eyebrows, but let's be fair - there's no vessel requiring engineers etc that doesn't have tubes and pipes and girders all over.

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    • #3
      Oh, I loved it. It was for sure better than the last one, but hey, isn't that kinda what Star Trek does? ST:TMP vs ST:tWoK?

      Saw it in 2D last night with the boyfriend (he's more of a Star Wars fan), going to see it in 3D tomorrow with my dad.

      The thing you've got to remember about the set design is that the original sets were made on a limited budget with out the movie making technology that we have today. Star Trek, but with money.

      I enjoyed the versatility of the Enterprise. And the warp scene. Wow. Just wow. I got a very Warhammer 40k feel from just that bit.

      All the trailers and interviews that I've seen have done a fantastic job about keeping the surprise a surprise. I sort of saw it coming, but I really didn't think they'd do it. After a certain point I -should- have seen it coming.

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      • #4
        I enjoyed it! 3D was decent, although I kept getting blurred bits when it moved too fast.

        I thought the plot was well done, although I can understand why my more Trekkie friends are getting upset (don't want to see just a reboot of Wrath of Khan; fair enough).

        Benedict Cumberbatch was great in his role, and I'll admit that the climax scene between Kirk and Spock had me crying. I couldn't help myself

        Was definitely a good movie going experience!
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        • #5
          Quoth Kheldarson View Post
          I enjoyed it! 3D was decent, although I kept getting blurred bits when it moved too fast.

          I thought the plot was well done, although I can understand why my more Trekkie friends are getting upset (don't want to see just a reboot of Wrath of Khan; fair enough).

          Benedict Cumberbatch was great in his role, and I'll admit that the climax scene between Kirk and Spock had me crying. I couldn't help myself

          Was definitely a good movie going experience!
          Looking around the theater I had to wonder- how much of the audience
          has actually -seen- Wrath of Khan. Let alone Space Seed.

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          • #6
            After the movie, we walked out to the carpark and overheard one chick trying to explain 'Wrath of Khan' to her friend, and getting very frustrated in the process.

            I think it was well done, we saw it in 3D and rather enjoyed it.
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            • #7
              Just saw it today. Overall I enjoyed it. I frankly don't remember much about Wrath of Khan, so no complaints there; but I got the little nods to the original series all right. It held my interest and had some really kick-ass CG effects. There were just a couple of things that bugged me because...they were illogical or confusing.

              A ship that size has got to have an entire engineering staff. If your chief engineer quits, surely there's a "number two" engineer you'd go to instead of pulling a guy off the bridge who isn't a member of the engineering team. I get that they just wanted more action for Chekov, but still...

              Also, I must have missed something....how did Spock contact his older self? Much as I love Leonard Nimoy, I'm not even sure it was necessary for the two Spocks to talk. It was already pretty obvious that Khan wasn't trustworthy. BC does make a very good villain, I have to admit, but then I've seen his Sherlock series and he's pretty damn good anyway.

              Also, the gratuitous underwear scene... was almost balanced by the early scenes of Kirk in blue spandex.
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              • #8
                Quoth MoonCat View Post
                Also, I must have missed something....how did Spock contact his older self?
                Original Spock came from the future in the previous movie. In this movie New Spock asks Uhura to put a call through to New Vulcan, which is presumably where he lives.

                I just had a thought, isn't it sentimental to call a planet 'New Vulcan'? And Vulcans aren't exactly sentimental, in fact I imagine they would be quite happy (well not happy) to call the planet they lived on PQX17 rather than rename it.
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                • #9
                  I loved this movie. The little call-outs to Star Trek II, and Trek in general (the shuttle they flew on Kronos was confiscated from Harry Mudd!) were awesome, and there were lots of little subtle things that helped flesh out the culture on future Earth.

                  I was wondering a bit about why the Starfleet dress uniforms now had those peaked hats and a more militaristic look to them, but it fits perfectly with the angle of a villain, who was trying to push for a more militaristic approach to Starfleet and the Federation, showing how much he'd influenced things already.

                  Quoth cinema guy View Post
                  Original Spock came from the future in the previous movie. In this movie New Spock asks Uhura to put a call through to New Vulcan, which is presumably where he lives.

                  I just had a thought, isn't it sentimental to call a planet 'New Vulcan'? And Vulcans aren't exactly sentimental, in fact I imagine they would be quite happy (well not happy) to call the planet they lived on PQX17 rather than rename it.
                  Vulcans do have emotions. As Sarek told Spock in the last movie, in some ways they run even deeper in Vulcans than they do in humans. It's just they suppress them in order to keep from going into homicidal rages and the like. Sarek also told Spock, "You once asked me why I married your mother. I married her because I loved her." (emphasis his)

                  Sentimentality is there in Vulcans, and like Spock, emotions were probably running very high after the destruction of Vulcan. Naming a new homeworld 'New Vulcan' doesn't seem too unlikely.

                  Alternate theory: The Vulcans do call their new planet PQX17 or whatever, it's just humans/Starfleet who call it 'New Vulcan' for expediency/simplicity's sake.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth cinema guy View Post
                    Original Spock came from the future in the previous movie. In this movie New Spock asks Uhura to put a call through to New Vulcan, which is presumably where he lives.
                    Ah...that was the bit of dialog I didn't quite catch! Thanks!

                    One thing, though...was it the future or was it a sort of alternate universe? Because I don't see how one person can exist in two bodies at the same time...I mean young Spock and old Spock are really the same person.
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                    • #11
                      Quoth MoonCat View Post

                      Ah...that was the bit of dialog I didn't quite catch! Thanks!

                      One thing, though...was it the future or was it a sort of alternate universe? Because I don't see how one person can exist in two bodies at the same time...I mean young Spock and old Spock are really the same person.
                      Old Spock is Spock Prime. He's from the original canon universe and more or less the reason we have the AU universe we're watching now. So they're only nominally the same person.

                      And yes they're both in the AU universe.
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                      • #12
                        Saw it Friday and it definately was better than the last movie. I saw it in 2 D and saw nothing to make me want to see it in 3D.

                        I'm not going to see any movie that is not SHOT in 3D. The retrofits aren't worth the extra money, and there's little bang for the buck.

                        I liked the interspacing of action, character building, and storytelling. Scotty got a lot more airtime, and since he's my favorite TOS character, I was good with that.

                        I liked the new costuming. Very sway.
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                        • #13
                          I saw it in 3d yesterday. I saw some of the 3D (the end credits mainly), but for most of the movie my eyes weren't relaxed enough to process the 3D. Annoying kid behind me kept talking, asking loudly "who is that? " and repeating lines. I wanted to throw my popcorn at them.
                          I enjoyed it just as much the second time. I hope they continue with the franchise, and that the next film has equally smart pacing.

                          ETA: my hope is always that Bones gets more to do, but even in the series there are only one or two Bones centered episodes.
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                          • #14
                            Quoth cinema guy View Post
                            I just had a thought, isn't it sentimental to call a planet 'New Vulcan'? And Vulcans aren't exactly sentimental, in fact I imagine they would be quite happy (well not happy) to call the planet they lived on PQX17 rather than rename it.
                            I actually do understand a logical reason to call it New Vulcan. It is the new Vulcan home world, which can be simplified as New Vulcan.

                            As far as the 3D, I think it helped the scene with Enterprise falling out of control, it gave it more depth and suspense... but I'm not sure if that is enough to justify the 3D (I went to the 3D showing more because that is the time that worked best with my schedule than because I really wanted the 3D).

                            And the two cents that the hubby threw out, the soldiers under Admiral Marcus's command are damned lucky they are in Starfleet and not the US Navy, where each and every one of them would have been charged with treason with the burden of proving innocence passed on to them to prove that they did not even suspect that they were following orders to commit treason (he confirmed with his dad who was career Navy, his response was that the only correct response to an order to commit treason is to kill the commanding officer who gave you that order because a court marshal for murder will be far easier to get through than a court marshal for treason). Granted, he served during the Cold War, so times have probably changed, but point still taken.
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                            • #15
                              This is actually hard for me to talk about without getting angry. I'm a major trekkie. I'm also a serious star wars fan. I have a tricorder and a lightsaber sitting on the shelf behind me and I play Star Wars: The Old Republic nearly every night (I tried star trek online but they ruined it. cryptic actually thinks its a good thing they can churn out an mmo in a year and a half. It isn't).

                              But these new movies... you have no idea how much these movies are pissing me off. They are butchering it to tiny little pieces. It only resembles star trek in the most superficial possible way and its insulting that they would hire someone that has admitted he doesn't even like star trek to direct this (Abrams). The Roddenberry's would be livid. Gene would never have allowed this.

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