Go Back   Customers Suck! > The Heart of the Site > Unsupportable > Tech help

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

  #11  
Old 02-20-2019, 01:09 PM
mjr's Avatar
mjr mjr is offline
Area Manager
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: 127.0.0.1
Posts: 1,060
Default

Quote:
Quoth csquared View Post
I wouldn't bother with a 1TB SSD. That will get expensive.
Terabyte SSDs are getting relatively cheap. HuevoNuevo has 1TB SSDs starting at $102. If you want them sold through but not by HuevoNuevo, they start at $63.

Of course, I don't know how good they are...
__________________
Skilled programmers aren't cheap. Cheap programmers aren't skilled.

  #12  
Old 02-21-2019, 01:20 AM
csquared's Avatar
csquared csquared is offline
Loanshark IT
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: On the verge of Cumming... GA
Posts: 1,539
Default

Wow. They have come down in price. I paid that for my 126GB SSD a few years ago. I checked NewEgg, and saw the high end brands at under $150 for a 1TB SSD.

I withdraw my early statements.

I would recommend that you mirror the data to another SSD or make backups every night. SSDs are not as forgiving as HDDs when they fail.
__________________
Life is too short to not eat popcorn.
Save the Ales!
Toys for Tots at Rooster's Cafe

  #13  
Old 02-21-2019, 11:23 AM
mjr's Avatar
mjr mjr is offline
Area Manager
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: 127.0.0.1
Posts: 1,060
Default

Quote:
Quoth csquared View Post
I would recommend that you mirror the data to another SSD or make backups every night. SSDs are not as forgiving as HDDs when they fail.
Your last sentence here makes me think I should stick with the HDD instead of moving to a SSD -- at least for now.
__________________
Skilled programmers aren't cheap. Cheap programmers aren't skilled.

  #14  
Old 02-21-2019, 05:32 PM
Buzzard Buzzard is offline
Store Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 769
Default

SSDs are usually pretty stable. They DO eventually ...wear out. The individual memory locations can handle unlimited READs, but only so many WRITEs. Memory locations typically only fail during a write operation, which gets noticed by the drive. As each portion starts failing, the drive will remap to spares as available, then start shrinking in size reported to the system. When a drive starts shrinking, it's time to get the replacement.
With traditional HDDs, everything is on a spinning magnetic-coated platter. Any physical defect/damage can start creeping out from that point. Information can be lost from any point, regardless of being used or not.

Now as to keeping the SSD healthy, as above, they are great for FAST operations, and can read unlimited times. Most normal operation is just fine. What WILL eat a SSD early is write-heavy operations. Putting virtual memory (swap file, for some of us older hands) on a SSD isn't such a good thing, and defragging an SSD is not needed, period.
Traditional HDDs don't really wear out on read/write operations, so putting the virtual memory THERE would be the good thing.

Nightly backups... ??? Is this for a major business with critical daily transactions running through it?

  #15  
Old 02-22-2019, 02:57 AM
EricKei's Avatar
EricKei EricKei is offline
The Hero CS Deserves
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wandering Greyhawk
Posts: 10,045
Default

Quote:
Quoth lordlundar View Post
For the first question, I'm not sure. I have not dealt with mirroring on Linux myself though reading through the procedure is the same.
Mkay. Note that I'm talking about a direct "ghost" from one drive to the other -- NOT setting up partitions, OS, etc ahead of time, but a literal, old-fashioned bit-for-bit clone of the drive directly from OldDrive:> to NewDrive:> ... It seems this is not being done here, so *whew* ^_^

Quote:
Quoth csquared View Post
Wow. They have come down in price. I paid that for my 126GB SSD a few years ago.
Same here. Good to hear they're getting down to reasonable prices.
__________________
Acts of Gord – Read it, Learn it, Love it!
"Our psychic powers only work if the customer has a mind to read" - me
"Never assume your users are stupid, but never forget that they are." ~ anon. engineer
“Last night, you were unhinged. You were like some desperate, howling demon. You frightened me. Do it again.” - Morticia Addams

"Sexual intellectuals. They're f@%#ing know-it-alls" - Chuck Yeager
"Good men don't need rules; today is not the day to find out why I have so many." - The Doctor
"[Friendship,] like philosophy, like art, like the universe itself … has no survival value; rather it is one of those things which give value to survival.” ~ C. S. Lewis


  #16  
Old 02-22-2019, 11:59 AM
TheSHAD0W TheSHAD0W is offline
Area Manager
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,343
Default

Did you get it transferred over?

The way you should do it is download the bootable version of Gparted. First, resize the partitions on your HD down so they'll fit on the SSD. (May not be applicable if you get a big SSD. You may need to move data off the drive too.) Then you can copy the partitions over to the SSD, and make the boot partition bootable.

  #17  
Old 02-23-2019, 06:11 PM
Naaman's Avatar
Naaman Naaman is offline
Bagger
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 20 minutes in the future
Posts: 802
Default

Quote:
Quoth Buzzard View Post
SSDs are usually pretty stable. They DO eventually ...wear out. The individual memory locations can handle unlimited READs, but only so many WRITEs. Memory locations typically only fail during a write operation, which gets noticed by the drive. As each portion starts failing, the drive will remap to spares as available, then start shrinking in size reported to the system. When a drive starts shrinking, it's time to get the replacement.
With traditional HDDs, everything is on a spinning magnetic-coated platter. Any physical defect/damage can start creeping out from that point. Information can be lost from any point, regardless of being used or not.

Now as to keeping the SSD healthy, as above, they are great for FAST operations, and can read unlimited times. Most normal operation is just fine. What WILL eat a SSD early is write-heavy operations. Putting virtual memory (swap file, for some of us older hands) on a SSD isn't such a good thing, and defragging an SSD is not needed, period.
Traditional HDDs don't really wear out on read/write operations, so putting the virtual memory THERE would be the good thing.

Nightly backups... ??? Is this for a major business with critical daily transactions running through it?
When I get asked;

SSD (or NVMe if you want insanly fast) is for your OS and any software that you use often and want to ensure it runs fast as well. Get one that's larger than you need because a) Crap expands b) You have more room for the write levelling to use, prolonging the life of the 'disc'
It's worth thinking about a fresdh OS install and use you HDD as a second drive (that will still have all your data on it)
HDD is for everything else, Window can be set up to point all Library folders to this one. Obviously if you're using Linux you should be fine remembering to install and save stuff to here.
Backup your critical files to the cloud, there's tons of free options that you can use
You can also pick up large external HDDs cheap (or HDD & a caddy) for on-site backups.

As I'm the default tech support for my family I dropped £30 on a 'toaster' disk cloner as it's nice & easy. Drop both disk in and press button then walk away, just need to fiddle with the partitions once it's done.
__________________
Lady, people aren't chocolates. D'you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling. Dr Cox - Scrubs

  #18  
Old 02-27-2019, 03:39 AM
SteeleDragon78's Avatar
SteeleDragon78 SteeleDragon78 is offline
Newly minted cs BOFH
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: the end of the trail in oklahoma
Posts: 549
Default

Quote:
Quoth Naaman View Post
As I'm the default tech support for my family I dropped £30 on a 'toaster' disk cloner as it's nice & easy. Drop both disk in and press button then walk away, just need to fiddle with the partitions once it's done.
i recently used one of the toaster style disc cloners and had issues going from HDD to SSD, after the clone windows believed that the new SSD was actually the HDD, as did my defrag program. i dont beileve there would be a problem doing a HDD to HDD clone or a SSD to SSD clone. just my
__________________
This is a drama-free zone; violators will be slapped. -Irving Patrick Freleigh
my blog:http://steeledragon.wordpress.com/

  #19  
Old 02-28-2019, 05:02 PM
Naaman's Avatar
Naaman Naaman is offline
Bagger
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: 20 minutes in the future
Posts: 802
Default

Quote:
Quoth SteeleDragon78 View Post
i recently used one of the toaster style disc cloners and had issues going from HDD to SSD, after the clone windows believed that the new SSD was actually the HDD, as did my defrag program. i dont beileve there would be a problem doing a HDD to HDD clone or a SSD to SSD clone. just my
Yeah, the amusingly translated documentation was pretty clear that the source (original) disk has to be smaller than the clone (new), although it's very clear which slot is which and that it only works one way. It did come with some software so you could manage it all on Windows but it's not very good, I can only speak for the one I have though (and bit of a derail for a one-off upgrade)

My go-to site for utilities I'm going to use once a blue moon is EaseUS, you're able to do most things with the free versions, they ahve an nice GUI and it doesn't nag you to upgrade
__________________
Lady, people aren't chocolates. D'you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling. Dr Cox - Scrubs

  #20  
Old 02-28-2019, 05:32 PM
lordlundar's Avatar
lordlundar lordlundar is offline
The Evil Bastard
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,758
Default

If the manufacturer of both the HDD and the SSD are the same, you might to check their website for a drive management app. Western Digital for example has a free, albeit reduced functionality of Arconis TrueImage on their website. I had just a couple days ago used it to clone my HDD to a higher capacity one with no issues.
__________________
I AM the evil bastard!
A+ Certified IT Technician
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.