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  • #16
    Quoth Muses_nightmare View Post
    am I the only person who doesn't equate alcohol with fun?
    Nope. I rarely drink and I haven't gotten drunk in...10? years.

    I have my reasons.
    Unseen but seeing
    oh dear, now they're masquerading as sane-KiaKat
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    • #17
      Quoth Chromatix View Post
      "recovering alcoholic must go teetotal to avoid falling off the wagon again" business
      I know how you feel. I hate it when you decline to drink and you get the "you are a recovering alcoholic" look. Some of us don't need intoxicants to have fun.
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      • #18
        I drink, and I have been known to suck down a Whiskey/Coke in less than 5 minutes. (I have also been known to chug straight from the bottle of Jack, but not at a bar )

        I, personally, would not go to a place where they felt the need to monitor my alcohol consumption. I'm an adult, and I don't need someone telling me how much I can or can't drink. (Of course, instead of going and throwing a fit, I just wouldn't go.) Then again, I don't really see the point of gambling. Throwing away money on a game of luck just seems silly to me.

        I wish I could remember Stuntman Mike's monologue about bars from Death Proof.....seems appropriate here.
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        • #19
          Quoth Arm View Post

          The customers *are* right in that it's a stupid rule. The earlier-mentioned rule about kicking them out when they appear drunk- and you have that rule in place as well anyhow- should suffice.
          I agree with that. Do things the same way bars do--cut people off when they're clearly drunk and toss them out. No real need to be limiting drinks to one every x minutes/hours.

          Me, I'm wondering how this rule even gets enforced. Is this a large casino with multiple bars? It may be easier to monitor the table games, but what about the people playing slots?
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          • #20
            I'm seen FAR too many people who, when utterly incapable say "they're not drunk".
            One of the 1st things to go when drinking alcohol is "self control/self awareness".
            Ever seen the "Cops" type shows on TV when they stop some fool weaving down the road?
            More often than not the first thing out of their mouths is "I'm not drunk".
            Meh, I hate people like that, the ones that think somehow they are different to everyone else & that they are capable of making rational decisions when other folk wouldn't be.

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            • #21
              “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.”

              ~Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #22
                You've got to understand there are some of us who know how to work up to a pleasureable buzz and then cut off. There is also nothing wrong with enjoying yourself while having some drinks in the city. Like it almost seems like you guys are a little hostile about it. I'll admit it, my mom was a triple DUI drunkard. I've seen the pains of alcoholism growing up. I still choose to drink once a month or so. Sometimes a few beers, sometimes a keg, all depends on the atmosphere.

                Also I never understood combining automobiles and drinking; when you turn the wheel, the car doesn't move instantly there's about a five second lag time, which took me about 6 seconds in the drive way to figure out I was never driving under the influence of ANYTHING (At this particular time I was on percocets and had to go to class; i skipped class).

                EDIT: I should also mention that I have never gone to the hospital to have my stomach pumped, don't puke and never get hangovers. I also don't start fights, get snippy or jackass like... Or fondle people I'm not going out with or stare at men. Sometimes substances click better in some than others... also for the hangovers, It's called proper hydration. Gatorade + Charcoal Tabs = No hangover
                Last edited by Pezzle; 08-16-2008, 08:08 PM.

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                • #23
                  I does often seem as though complete teetotalers can be somewhat hostile to any drinking at all. I ppreciate why- It's the same as my complete non-understanding of smokers or smoking- but I tend to assume if someone is an adult they can damage their body any way they see fit.

                  WHat people who don't drink can't understand- by virtue of never tried it- there are different stages of drunk. It does not go- one drink, two drink, annoying drunken wanker. You go through realaxed, mildy tipsy, bouncy and happy before that. I don't need alcohol to get to bouncy and happy, but I do find that a couple of drinks makes bouncy and happy easier and more intense.
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                  • #24
                    Quoth Legal Eagle View Post
                    there seems to be some confusion paticularly by the non-drinkers, there is a difference between having a drink and getting drunk. I can go out for the night, drink alcohol throughout and not get drunk, similarly if i want to i can get druunk in a short space of time. I think the rule should be changed at the legislative level to allow for customers to drink as much as they want, but as soon as thye appear drunk they are forced to leave.
                    See, I don't know if I agree with this, while I get sick of people bitching about the rule, I think it's a pretty sound one (maybe the time limit could be reduced a bit, but in short we are not a bar) Though generally it's a pretty moot point as most of the time we only have like 3 people serving, we're really not known for our servers that's for sure. (not that the ones we have aren't awesome, we're just very short staffed.)

                    Quoth Arm View Post
                    At the same time, as rules go, it's not particularly useful. Someone who's been drinking their whole life and has a high tolerance for alcohol, or a larger person, won't take as much effect from their drink as a smaller person, or a non-drinker.

                    Give a tiny woman a shot glass full of 151 (or everclear, if the bar even stocks it) for her one 'drink' and she'll probably be hammered in short order, regardless.

                    The customers *are* right in that it's a stupid rule. The earlier-mentioned rule about kicking them out when they appear drunk- and you have that rule in place as well anyhow- should suffice.

                    The flip side is that, given that the customers were informed of the rule, continuing to bitch about it is equally pointless. If they don't like it, they can go to Vegas.
                    But really, we don't know who has a high alcohol tolerance and who doesn't. I've seen smaller people put away alcohol, it doesn't make sense for their size, but I've seen it done. I'm not even sure what we serve, aside from beer, gin and tonic, and scotch (these seem to be the most common things people order, I'm sure we have more than that though) and I don't know if they even serve shots. I mean, I'm not allowed to be in there when I'm not working, and well drinking at work isn't exactly encouraged :P.

                    Quoth AdminAssistant View Post
                    I drink, and I have been known to suck down a Whiskey/Coke in less than 5 minutes. (I have also been known to chug straight from the bottle of Jack, but not at a bar )

                    I, personally, would not go to a place where they felt the need to monitor my alcohol consumption. I'm an adult, and I don't need someone telling me how much I can or can't drink. (Of course, instead of going and throwing a fit, I just wouldn't go.) Then again, I don't really see the point of gambling. Throwing away money on a game of luck just seems silly to me.

                    I wish I could remember Stuntman Mike's monologue about bars from Death Proof.....seems appropriate here.
                    Thing is, we aren't a bar.

                    Quoth Irving Patrick Freleigh View Post
                    I agree with that. Do things the same way bars do--cut people off when they're clearly drunk and toss them out. No real need to be limiting drinks to one every x minutes/hours.

                    Me, I'm wondering how this rule even gets enforced. Is this a large casino with multiple bars? It may be easier to monitor the table games, but what about the people playing slots?
                    It's a pretty small casino, there's one "bar" in it (it does all the alcohol, and non-alcohol. There's one entrance, it is attatched to a hotel which has a bar and a restaurant. This is a pretty small town, so the casino is not huge. Generally there are a lot of regulars. It's not perfectly enforced, but we keep track as best we can, which isn't bad.
                    Last edited by Broomjockey; 08-17-2008, 03:22 AM. Reason: consecutive posts
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                    • #25
                      Quoth Muses_nightmare
                      But really, we don't know who has a high alcohol tolerance and who doesn't. I've seen smaller people put away alcohol, it doesn't make sense for their size, but I've seen it done. I'm not even sure what we serve, aside from beer, gin and tonic, and scotch (these seem to be the most common things people order, I'm sure we have more than that though) and I don't know if they even serve shots. I mean, I'm not allowed to be in there when I'm not working, and well drinking at work isn't exactly encouraged :P.
                      Yeah, we don't know. So how can we possibly make an effective rule about the number that we don't know?

                      I like rules that say, 'if the guy's a drunken sot, throw 'im out!' because that's letting everyone involved use good judgement. If the patron uses good judgement, they can drink and not get tossed out, if they don't, and the casino uses good judgement, they can toss out the boozer. If neither of those uses good judgement, then the other players can use good judgement and clean house or walk off

                      but, eh, I think if I go too much more on this I'll get sent to fratching, so I shall shut up now and behave like a good little boy.

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                      • #26
                        Quoth Pezzle View Post
                        You've got to understand there are some of us who know how to work up to a pleasureable buzz and then cut off. There is also nothing wrong with enjoying yourself while having some drinks in the city. Like it almost seems like you guys are a little hostile about it. I'll admit it, my mom was a triple DUI drunkard. I've seen the pains of alcoholism growing up. I still choose to drink once a month or so. Sometimes a few beers, sometimes a keg, all depends on the atmosphere.

                        Also I never understood combining automobiles and drinking; when you turn the wheel, the car doesn't move instantly there's about a five second lag time, which took me about 6 seconds in the drive way to figure out I was never driving under the influence of ANYTHING (At this particular time I was on percocets and had to go to class; i skipped class).

                        EDIT: I should also mention that I have never gone to the hospital to have my stomach pumped, don't puke and never get hangovers. I also don't start fights, get snippy or jackass like... Or fondle people I'm not going out with or stare at men. Sometimes substances click better in some than others... also for the hangovers, It's called proper hydration. Gatorade + Charcoal Tabs = No hangover
                        I can understand that, but most people requesting more drinks are trying to get completely drunk, during the summer most of our customer base are tourists, and most of them are early mid-20's guys who are coming to party it up and figure we're the same as vegas, which we aren't. We aren't hostile about it at all, the supervisor just came over to explain the situation that we can't change the rule, we didn't make the rule in the first place, just like the anti-smoking rules, people bitch and complain that they can't smoke inside but we can't change that (though my personal thoughts are that it shouldn't change). It's very civil and not at all like we're bullying the customer.

                        I personally have never been drunk, I have never had any desire to be. I'll have a drink now and then, but really I'm good with Iced tea or whatever else I happen to be drinking. I don't have any problem with people who like to drink though, it's really none of my business.

                        Quoth Arm View Post
                        Yeah, we don't know. So how can we possibly make an effective rule about the number that we don't know?

                        I like rules that say, 'if the guy's a drunken sot, throw 'im out!' because that's letting everyone involved use good judgement. If the patron uses good judgement, they can drink and not get tossed out, if they don't, and the casino uses good judgement, they can toss out the boozer. If neither of those uses good judgement, then the other players can use good judgement and clean house or walk off

                        but, eh, I think if I go too much more on this I'll get sent to fratching, so I shall shut up now and behave like a good little boy.

                        Cookie? I baked on Thursday. Peanut butter and chocolate chip.
                        Though you have to understand, we didn't make the rule. It's the BCLC (British columbia Lottery Corperation) who makes those rules. We just have to follow them. Like you said this is getting into fratching, so I'll leave it at that.

                        Yay cookie!
                        Last edited by Broomjockey; 08-17-2008, 03:23 AM. Reason: consecutive posts
                        “Bad taste creates many more millionaires than good taste.”

                        -Charles Bukowski

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                        • #27
                          I don't understand what bitching accomplishes in this instance, ya know? Policy is policy. Go somewhere else where you can drink as much as you want. That's what I'd do.

                          Every moment wasted bitching at one of the casino employees is a moment of drinking time wasted. What are they thinking?!
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                          • #28
                            Quoth Muses_nightmare View Post
                            SW: well that's dumb, we're adults we should be able to have fun! (as a side note, am I the only person who doesn't equate alcohol with fun?).
                            I once went to a role-playing games con in a holiday camp. One of the bar staff was overheard saying, 'You guys are the only people I've seen who can have fun without getting drunk.'
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                            • #29
                              Okay, we've got a lot of "They should change that law" etc going on here. That's Fratching territory. Please confine all comments to the sucky customer who didn't like the *rules,* or you'll be apologizing to Muses_nightmare for getting their thread closed. Let's also keep the sniping between drinkers and teetotallers out of this.
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                              • #30
                                Quoth cinema guy View Post
                                I once went to a role-playing games con in a holiday camp. One of the bar staff was overheard saying, 'You guys are the only people I've seen who can have fun without getting drunk.'
                                ...But rest assured, if I took a shot for every time I rolled a critical failure in 2nd Ed D&D... oh boy.

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