Go Back   Customers Suck! > The Heart of the Site > Sucky Customers

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

You went through uni already, surely you know how to reference?!
  #1  
Old 06-12-2018, 10:52 AM
LadyofArc LadyofArc is offline
Assistant Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 290
Default You went through uni already, surely you know how to reference?!

One of the departments I work in on occasion deals strictly with postgraduate coursework programs (that is, the students do a 1-2 year postgraduate degree sans a research component). Today I heard this lovely gem:

A student had submitted an essay on some particular subject, not sure what. When it was run through Turnitin however, it did pick up some flags and the tutor had a closer look at it. Now, within Turnitin, when it flags something, if you click on the flag, it'll say what the original source is.

This student had at least cited their sources for whatever it was that had been flagged, but the tutor then had a closer look and found that when they clicked on the flags, Wiki-fucking-pedia was coming up.

Turns out that the student had gone to Wikipedia and had copied individual sentences into their essay here and there, but only stuck to sentences which had citations already, then would cite the actual source that sentence in Wikipedia used.

(So for example, if a student copied the line "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times," straight from Wikipedia, they'd then go and cite Charles Dickens "A Tale of Two Cities" as the source)

We aren't hard-asses about Wikipedia (especially since that department gets a lot of mature-age students) and see it as a good jumping-off point, but still!

And the student's efforts came to naught - they have to resubmit, will be counselled and their only option for this paper is a pass.
Reply With Quote

  #2  
Old 06-12-2018, 02:11 PM
earl colby pottinger earl colby pottinger is offline
Area Manager
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,648
Default

Did he at-least get the spelling and grammar right?
Reply With Quote

  #3  
Old 06-12-2018, 05:10 PM
TheWolfEmperor's Avatar
TheWolfEmperor TheWolfEmperor is offline
Vulcan/Time Lord Hybrid
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: the 7th Level of Twilight
Posts: 214
Default

Since Wikipedia can be so easily edited by anyone, university professors should try to sneak in a little bump code that says something along the lines of, "Thank You For Playing."
Reply With Quote

  #4  
Old 06-12-2018, 09:06 PM
KuariKaydrith's Avatar
KuariKaydrith KuariKaydrith is offline
Resident dyheli wrangler...
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Big Island in Atlantic Canada
Posts: 688
Default

When I was in university we were always told that wikipedia is not good source. But I found it very handy when doing research because I would use the references at the bottom of whatever wiki article I was reading - I'd find the actual source, read through it, and go from there. It was really handy when I was writing 4th and 5th year term papers when I was looking up some fairly obscure information.

In one of my classes we had to read out a short paper that we'd written on some historical topic, and one of my classmates literally copied and pasted the entire Wikipedia text for her topic. Not a single word she read was her own, and she only got caught because when she started reading her paper I googled her topic...and was able to read along word for word. I reported it to our prof at the end of class, after the classmate had handed in her paper. She failed the class and after a review she was tossed out of the university because it was discovered that this wasn't the first time she pulled such a stunt.
Reply With Quote

  #5  
Old 06-13-2018, 02:08 AM
Pixelated Pixelated is offline
Area Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Bookholm
Posts: 1,419
Default

Interesting, because when I went through my two-year college program, one of our teachers said Wikipedia was a fine source.

Not a jumping-off point, but a fine source in itself.
__________________
Customer service: More efficient than a Dementor's kiss
~ Mr Hero
Reply With Quote

  #6  
Old 06-13-2018, 09:23 AM
LadyofArc LadyofArc is offline
Assistant Manager
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 290
Default

Quote:
Quoth Pixelated View Post
Interesting, because when I went through my two-year college program, one of our teachers said Wikipedia was a fine source.

Not a jumping-off point, but a fine source in itself.
Like I said, we aren't hard-asses about Wikipedia use and it's YMMV among the tutors AFAIK. This one just struck me as odd.
Reply With Quote

  #7  
Old 06-14-2018, 10:23 AM
SailorMan's Avatar
SailorMan SailorMan is offline
Retired Merchant Mariner
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Hampton Roads area, VA
Posts: 198
Default

Just copying references. Hmmm. Sort of what I've been seeing, somewhere else.

I retired almost exactly two years ago - with a few days 'change' left over. I once had an Ancestry(dot)com account, and decided to do a little more with it, now that I had the time.

I would start with an ancestor I knew about, such as a great-grandfather, and then do a search on the site for people who had that same person in their own family tree. If they'd had that line of descent a little further back in time than I did, I used the 'copy to your own tree' function.

Eventually, I ran into ancestors, in various lines of descent, who'd been historical figures, though of various magnitudes. That meant that their biographies were available in such places as academic, university-created websites.

I sometimes found-out that other people on Ancestry had made this or that person their ancestor, and cited such and such documents as their proof. Except, the dates of birth or death might be wrong, and their spouse or children wouldn't be the same as those listed on the university website reference. Just a couple of days ago, one person had a picture of a person's headstone as 'proof' that this was the person in their tree - and both the dates of birth and death (and middle name) were totally different than that of the 'known' ancestor!

After having to go back and delete most, or half, of whole lines of descent, I'm much more cautious. As an example, one of my ancestors had a wife named 'Mary.' A lot of trees simply left-out a last name, because, apparently, it simply wasn't known. This was at the end of the 1600s. But, one of the first trees I'd found when I was filling-in this line, had listed her as "Mary Cole Claiborne,' which gave me a whole slue of ancestors who were notable first settlers at the Jamestown Colony. But then, after some research, I saw that she'd been married to someone other than my own many-greats grandfather.

Addition: I've just discovered that the ancestor's name was actually Mary Coleburn, which someone had separated into Cole Claiborne, because, I assume, the latter person's own ancestors were much more interesting, and famous!

I wish there were a way I could 'flunk' these Ancestry posters!
__________________
Who hears all your prayers? Why, the NSA, of course!

Last edited by SailorMan; 07-11-2018 at 12:24 PM. Reason: New Info
Reply With Quote

  #8  
Old 07-09-2018, 03:31 PM
Silent-Hunter's Avatar
Silent-Hunter Silent-Hunter is offline
Computer Repair Alien
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Boonsboro, Maryland
Posts: 364
Default

I'm confused, if you quote something in an essay, aren't you supposed to do this? What difference does it make if they copied from Wikipedia itself, or the original source material? How would anyone even know which one they took it from?
Reply With Quote

  #9  
Old 07-09-2018, 07:15 PM
Minflick Minflick is offline
RVT
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Back in town
Posts: 491
Default

What my teachers at a junior college said about Wikipedia was that it was a fine start off point, but we then had to find other sources that backed it up. This was because Wiki isn't trustworthy as a source, due to the way information is added to a subject.

A back up source had to be a peer reviewed journal of some kind, which establishes credibility of some kind. (And is sometimes later proven false, but still, peer reviewed) On Wikipedia, that doesn't happen, and it's my understanding that anybody can go in and say anything...
Reply With Quote

  #10  
Old 07-09-2018, 08:13 PM
EricKei's Avatar
EricKei EricKei is offline
Et tu, Pixie?
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wandering Greyhawk
Posts: 9,612
Default

Quote:
Quoth Minflick View Post
This was because Wiki isn't trustworthy as a source, due to the way information is added to a subject.
Precisely -- Even the people at Wikipedia don't want people to use it as a source. They say to find basic info there (but don't actually quote it), then follow the cited external links and use those exclusively.
__________________
"I have a theory that the minute some people step into a store their IQs drop 20 points. I call it Shopping Associated Lobotomy Effect (SALE)" – xeno_prism_power, reddit.
"President? Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?" - Lex Luthor, JLU
"It was like the power of Andrew W.K., mixed with the cuteness of Ariana Grande, covered in the sweat of Slayer." - Paul Scheer on BabyMetal
"I don’t know what English did to you or your family, but I cannot in good conscience sit here and watch you do this to it. You sir, are a monster." ~ Gravekeeper

"Don't weep for the stupid; you'll be crying all day!" - Fr. Anderson, Hellsing Ultimate: Abridged
"I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you any further." – anon
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.