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  • Weird ID story.....

    This happened a couple of weeks ago, but I have been rather busy, what with Fantasy Fest, being sick, and dealing with Parrotheads right after Fantasy Fest.

    I was waiting tables on the roof deck of The Bar. I approached a table of three, who ordered drinks. One of them looked 30 or under, so per Florida state law, I requested her ID. She didn't have it. She left it at her hotel. "But she's 36!" whined the male in the party, her husband/boyfriend/pimp/sordid affair partner. As usual, I cited chapter and verse of the law; to wit, if I ask someone for ID and they do not have it, I cannot serve them alcohol. Too bad, so sad, it's the law. Man continued to argue, I continued to hold my ground, yada yada yada.

    Nothing in this story is any different from any other ID bullshit story I have told before. But it was at this point, as they say, that things took a turn into Mr. Serling's neighborhood. That's right, kids.....we're heading into the ID Twilight Zone.

    (Cue strange music.)

    See, in addition to dealing with the party of three in question, I was also taking care of a group of about 12 that were, for the most part, somewhat inebriated, and had come in as such, but not to the point of me not being able to serve them or anything. They had all ordered drinks, and I had carded many of them, without incident. Those I carded had ID, and presented them. Those I didn't card didn't say a thing. Everyone got drinks, some people got food, everyone was happy.

    Until this whole thing with the other lady, who was not with the large group.

    See, after I went through the whole thing with her and her man, while he seemed less than happy, he really wasn't too much of a douche, and frankly, she was bemused by the whole thing. I tad miffed that I wouldn't get her drinks, but totally understanding about it.

    However, apparently some of the larger group overheard part of this. And some of the women who had not been carded were offended. I am still not sure if they were offended because a. I would not serve the other lady, b. I had not carded them, or c. I had carded some of their party but not all.

    I'm sorry, but the law is very simple. If the server believes you look 30 or under, they need to ask for your ID. Not if you think you look 30 or under. Yeah, that can be kind of sucky for you, but tough shit. It is the server's prerogative to decide who looks 30 or under to the server. Period, end of story.

    Well, not to these harpies. They got their tailfeathers all ruffled up, and started to cause a stink. And the stink spread to some of the more belligerent, ill-mannered, and larger male members of the large group. Who in turn started to berate me for all of this.

    In times like this, I fall back on The Law, and Doing My Job. I stay calm, polite, and soft-spoken, as I don't want to exacerbate or escalate the situation. At least one guy in the large party understood all this, and continued to try to calm his friends down, explaining that I was, in fact, only doing my job.

    Finally the large group asked for their bills, paid, left crappy tips, and left. Most of them in a huff.

    NOT because I had refused any of them service. I hadn't. All of them, whether I carded them or not, had gotten drinks.
    NOT because I had carded some of them. All that I carded had proper ID.

    No, they were upset with me because I had not served someone else who had ID, and had had the gall to card some of them but not all of them.

    Make sense? No? Well, welcome to Alcoholic Logic. Also known as Irrationality. Also known as Complete and Total Bullshit.

    I have had people walk out before for the whole ID thing. I have had people argue with me for the whole ID thing. But in my 22 years in the business, I have NEVER seen, as a customer or a server, someone get pissed over my IDing someone they weren't even with.

    But it did end well. After all, the fuckers DID leave my bar!

    "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
    Still A Customer."


  • #2
    "What do you mean our wives/girlfriends/SOs/ho's for the night don't look younger than 30? Now, we're going to have to perform certain sexual acts we detest and buy them jewelry to make up for you not ID'ing them and thereby making them feel bad about how crappy they look. Screw your tip!"
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    • #3
      Quoth wagegoth View Post
      "What do you mean our wives/girlfriends/SOs/ho's for the night don't look younger than 30? Now, we're going to have to perform certain sexual acts we detest and buy them jewelry to make up for you not ID'ing them and thereby making them feel bad about how crappy they look. Screw your tip!"
      I just lol'd.

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      • #4
        During my bartender days, I had a somewhat similiar situation.

        Group of regulars come in and got served their beers by the cocktail. Well this group of 4 women come in and sit down at a table beside the regulars. The cocktail was in the weeds at the moment so I was out from behind the bar helping her get caught up. Anyways I walk up to the table of women, they order their drinks and then I ask to see their ids. Well only one had their id, so I explained the law to them that with no id, then I could not serve them. No big deal to them, they got up and left and said they would go get their ids at their hotel and be right back. Well a couple of the guys at the table of regulars popped off, hey we don't have our id and we got served. I looked at them and told them, you really should have kept your mouths shut because now I have to id you and everyone who doesn't produce then I will pull their drinks as required by law. Well they all got pissed off, threw down money on the table and left. One of them got in my face on his way out and said he was going to complain to management about me. I told him manager was downstairs and he was free to talk to him all he wanted, but law is law and since he had opened his dumbass mouth that he was responisble for getting his own drink pulled.

        And oh yeah the 4 women did actually come back with their ids and left a huge tip for me and the cocktail. Of course I did manage to get the manager to give them a free round for their troubles since they were so nice and easygoing about the whole situation.
        Last edited by Madhatter_67_85; 11-04-2008, 08:11 PM.

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        • #5
          They say "But I'm X years old!" as if you're automatically supposed to know how old they are without seeing ID. "I'm sorry but I don't have Mr. Spock working with me so I can't do a Vulcan Mind Meld & find out your age that way".

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          • #6
            I do so love when they do that.

            "But I'm 30."
            "But she's 34."
            "But I have kids."
            "But it's my son."

            My answer to all of them is that while I don't doubt that, the State of Florida DOES require me to see their ID.

            The funniest was way back in the Nineties, when I carded a table of people in my Phoenix-area restaurant. This one girl did not have her ID, and very nastily said, "But I'M 23." To which I replied, "Then YOU should have your ID!"

            Idiots. And these are the people that pay my wages. Sad, so very sad.

            "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
            Still A Customer."

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            • #7
              I've had people bitch about me not getting ID'd before. The bar I go to is my regular bar. I'm there every Friday almost without fail, and sometimes Wednesdays and Saturdays, too.
              Bartenders know me, door guys know me, DJ is my boyfriend, so when I get to the bar I don't get asked for ID, I don't get my bag searched (I usually have a knapsack or something with clothes for the weekend, since I stay at the BF's after we leave the bar) and I don't pay cover.

              People have whined, "How come sheeeeeeeeeee didn't have to show her IDDDDDDDDDDDD!?" and, "How some sheeeeeeeee doesn't get her bag searched," and, "Why doesn't sheeeeeeee have to pay cover?"
              One girl actually said one night, "Who do I have to fuck to get in here without being harassed*?"
              My response: "The DJ, but he's busy with me."




              *harassed my ASS. While the door guys can be hard asses sometimes they're only doing their jobs and protecting the bar. Yeah they'll card you, they'll look through your bag, and they won't let you in if they think you've had too much to drink.
              Oh what jerks they are, doing exactly what they're supposed to. Bleh.

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              • #8
                Quoth Jester View Post
                "But I have kids."
                Which means absolutely nothing, considering one of my friends had her first kid at 17, and the second one at 20.
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                • #9
                  Haha, I heard the kids one before too. Double points if the customer walks in with their baby, as their "proof". I aways wanted to say "Most girls start ovulating when they are 12 or 13.......not 18."

                  Tattoos and piercings as well. I had my navel pierced when I was 17. Youngsters in juvie can give cheap jail tattoos. Lots of people get tattoos before they are 18. That's not proof of age, sorry.

                  I admit I myself am starting to get a little miffed that I'm not getting carded for cigarettes anymore. I'm freakin 21 years old here!
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                  • #10
                    Quoth wagegoth View Post
                    and buy them jewelry to make up for you not ID'ing them
                    Well, they're in the right city... there are about 85,000 jewelry stores in Key West (I'm pretty sure I got dragged into all of them when I was down there with some jewelry addict friends).

                    Also, I'm 33. Sometimes I get carded, sometimes I don't. Seems to depend on who I'm with; if they are younger I am more likely to get carded.
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                    • #11
                      Tattoos and piercings as well.
                      I only really had one person try to use their tattoo as proof of their age. He says "but I have a tattoo, you have to be 19 to get a tattoo!" and I counter with "really, that's funny because I knew people in Junior high who had tattoos when they were 16"

                      Also had someone try to use their international student id as ID, claiming that it's government issued. Sorry , but no.
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                      • #12
                        I never really had a problem with showing ID. And the few times that I had left it at home. Well I didn't get to drink the beer/buy porno or what not
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                        • #13
                          I IDd a guy at self checkout for alcohol the other day. He looked like he was 14, but his ID said he was 26, and the pic matched and didn't look altered.
                          ....his name was Christopher Robin. I lawled.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth blas87 View Post
                            I aways wanted to say "Most girls start ovulating when they are 12 or 13.......not 18."

                            Tattoos and piercings as well. I had my navel pierced when I was 17. Youngsters in juvie can give cheap jail tattoos. Lots of people get tattoos before they are 18. That's not proof of age, sorry.
                            Quoth Muses_nightmare View Post
                            He says "but I have a tattoo, you have to be 19 to get a tattoo!" and I counter with "really, that's funny because I knew people in Junior high who had tattoos when they were 16"
                            Drinking age in the U.S. is 21, not 18 or 19. Just saying.


                            Had an amusing ID story tonight.

                            Table of six came in just to drink. Ordered drinks. They all looked like they were in their 20s. I carded them all. One dude only had for ID an "International Driver's Licence" which is not valid for alcohol purchases, sorry. Everyone else had Florida IDs, though they were clearly of foreign extraction based on their accents. (They live in Florida, you see, but not from here.) Before he could really get into it with me, one of the girls looked at him, and said in a lovely (Polish?) accent, "You don't have a Florida ID? Are you an idiot? How long have you lived here?"

                            Hilfuckinglarious.

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                            Still A Customer."

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Jester View Post
                              One dude only had for ID an "International Driver's Licence" which is not valid for alcohol purchases, sorry.
                              Huh, who'd have known, and all the times I used it when I was in Florida.
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