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    As of this week, I've been moved from graveyard onto the evening shift at the Store. Today, I was the front end supervisor, a job which consists mainly of standing at a podium with a clipboard and a walkie-talkie and staring at people. You answer questions for customers, deal with any complaints or issues that come up, help cashiers with problems, assign cashiers to registers and make sure people get their breaks on time, call up help if the lines get backed up, and other stuff like that, but mainly it's a lot of standing and staring.

    This really isn't a story about me, though. It's a story about our Loss Prevention department. Unlike a lot of big chains that rely on rent-a-cops who only observe and report, our company has an in-house security team. They're plainclothes and spend most of their time in an office at the front of the store, watching our many security cameras for any customer who's attempting to steal from us. We are encouraged to not know their names - for safety reasons when they're on duty, the LP all address each other by the exact same name, and we use that name as well when talking to or about them. (For the purposes of this post, let's call them "Mr. Wayne".) When shoplifters try to walk out the front door with their pilfered goods, Mr. Wayne move into position to apprehend them, and though they aren't armed with anything but handcuffs, that doesn't mean they're helpless. These are big guys - most of them are former police or military, almost all of them have some degree of wrestling or martial arts experience, and they are fully allowed, both by the company and state law, to lay hands on shoplifters if they attempt to flee. (I once personally witnessed an LP in his mid-60s apply a crossface to a shoplifter and hold him in that position for an extended period until the cops arrived.)

    These days, in general, we're pretty lenient with shoplifters - as long as they cooperate after being caught, we assess them a civil penalty of $200 + the price of whatever they were trying to steal and send them on their way. We don't even trespass them anymore unless the value of their attempted theft exceeds the dividing line the state has established between "petty theft" and "third degree burglary". As long as they don't try to fight or deny their acts, the process can be completed in a matter of minutes and the police don't have to get involved.

    But I digress. This story takes place shortly after 8 PM this evening. The sun is just starting to set, which means our big evening rush is in full swing. I'm at the podium, all of our available cashiers are in checkstands, and we still have long lines. As I'm checking to see when the next person comes back from break and whether we have any outer-department people on duty who can be called up to check, I hear Mr. Wayne's voice in my earpiece. He asks me to tell the self-checkout clerk to call his office. I stroll by and tell her to do so, then proceed back to the podium.

    A minute or two later, I see the LPs emerge from their office in the sort of way that indicates that a bust is about to go down. A customer who's been using the self-checkout makes his way towards the exit with his stuff... and one guy comes at him from the front and two behind to confront him. He reaches in his pocket for something, and just like that he gets slammed against the soda machine, flipped around, handcuffed, and lead into the security office.

    Long story short; our suspect had grabbed several Cup Noodles off the shelf, tore the barcodes off the packages, and then taped them over the barcodes of more expensive products. Mr. Wayne had observed him in the act on the cameras, and he brought his altered goods through the self-checkout presumably expecting that nobody would notice. When the SCO clerk called Wayne, he told her to pretend not to notice what he was doing (which she did flawlessly), so that when he headed for the exit they could bust him.

    He didn't end up being so lucky as to get let go with the civil penalty. He got the cops called on him and he got to take a ride to county with a criminal charge on his head, and a 99-year trespass order prohibiting him from coming to any store in the company. Mr. Wayne was, however, gracious enough to let his brother, who'd come to the store with him but hadn't been involved in the attempted larceny, take home the Cup Noodles that he'd torn the barcodes off of and had in fact paid for.

    Oh, and the sum value of the goods that our villain had been attempting to steal?

    Fourteen dollars, mostly consisting of makeup.

    There've been times when I've empathized with people trying to steal from us. Once, Thanksgiving week a few years ago, I sat in on a bust of a heroin-addicted woman who was living in a motel a few blocks away from us, who'd been trying to steal some deli sliced turkey, a pumpkin pie, and a can of whipped cream. That's just sad and tragic, and I hope that that bust lead to her getting the help she needed.

    This guy, however? Screw this guy. This obviously wasn't the first time he'd pulled this con - he knew what he was doing, and he was confident that he could pull it off without anyone noticing. It takes a special kind of jerk to risk jail and lofty fines over a few dollars' worth of junk, and the fewer of them that are running free, the better.
    Last edited by Smapti; 07-29-2016, 10:17 AM.

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    This guy, however? Screw this guy. This obviously wasn't the first time he'd pulled this con - he knew what he was doing, and he was confident that he could pull it off without anyone noticing. It takes a special kind of jerk to risk jail and lofty fines over a few dollars' worth of junk, and the fewer of them that are running free, the better.
    For a lot of them, it's not about the value it's about the thrill of the act. They don't care how much they are stealing, they just enjoy stealing.
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    • #3
      No kidding, CC2, a police detective friend of my parents commented about the minuscule amounts in shoplifting busts. In one, the perp was charged with stealing a 10-cent candy bar (this was back in the '70's) even though she had almost $100 worth of groceries she paid for.
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      • #4
        Do your self-checks not check the produce matches? Over here, we have to put scanned items onto an attached scale when bagging, and if the weight's off even a little bit it refuses to continue the transaction unless corrected or overridden.

        I like the sound of Mr.s Wayne. Every store should have one!
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        • #5
          Quoth RealUnimportant View Post
          Do your self-checks not check the produce matches? Over here, we have to put scanned items onto an attached scale when bagging, and if the weight's off even a little bit it refuses to continue the transaction unless corrected or overridden.

          I like the sound of Mr.s Wayne. Every store should have one!
          I know some places the SCO has an option that the customer can just press on the screen 'I don't want to bag this item'

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          • #6
            Quoth RealUnimportant View Post
            Do your self-checks not check the produce matches? Over here, we have to put scanned items onto an attached scale when bagging, and if the weight's off even a little bit it refuses to continue the transaction unless corrected or overridden.
            They do. Wayne told the clerk to override it so they could catch him on the way out.

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            • #7
              I'm so glad that store policy and state law is on the side of of your LP guys. It must be very entertaining and gratifying to see people not able to get away with shoplifting.
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              • #8
                Quoth depechemodefan View Post
                It must be very entertaining and gratifying to see people not able to get away with shoplifting.
                It is. Granted, the law is very narrow on when we're allowed to bust people and the LP have to be very careful to follow all the rules - they have to watch the person pick the item off the shelf, conceal or alter it, and attempt to leave the store without paying for it, without ever losing sight of them, which involves quite a bit of gymnastics with the security cameras. (The only exception is if the customer takes the product into the bathroom, where there are no cameras.) If we don't follow the rules to the letter, we risk having the civil penalty thrown out or possibly getting sued.

                We're also not allowed to chase shoplifters if they make it off the sidewalk and into the parking lot, though that's mainly for safety reasons - there was an incident a decade or so ago where an LP and an assistant manager at one of our stores got run over and seriously injured by a shoplifter they chased to his car. At that point, we just watch them make for their car, take down the license, and let the cops deal with it.

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                • #9
                  But at least your store is making an effort, unlike many who don't even bother...

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Smapti View Post
                    At that point, we just watch them make for their car, take down the license, and let the cops deal with it.
                    And at that point it goes from civil to criminal, yes?
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                    • #11
                      Quoth Deserted View Post
                      And at that point it goes from civil to criminal, yes?
                      Assuming the state even bothers with it, which I doubt - they have far bigger problems to deal with...

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                      • #12
                        Quoth eltf177 View Post
                        But at least your store is making an effort, unlike many who don't even bother...
                        Because lawsuit.

                        This guy must've hit the store several times previously. No store nowadays would've muscled a guy down for $14.
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