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    Objection, your honor!

    I get talking to this guy who claims he is a lawyer. He wants to upgrade one of the lines on his account but he's past due. Our policy does not allow upgrades on past due accounts. Our system will NOT let us do them, there are no exceptions or overrides. His argument was that because he'd made an agreement with us to pay the balance a couple of weeks from now his account was not in a true past due status and he should be allowed up upgrade.

    Of course I explained to him that no, it doesn't work like that.

    He then refers me to our lengthy customer service agreement on the <red checkmark> site and asks me to point out to him the SPECIFIC section that states this is not allowed.

    I told him it's the standard upgrade policy that states you can't do it if it's past due. Past due means past due, it doesn't matter if you have an agreement to pay later, the outstsanding balance is still PAST DUE.

    I am WRONG! He says. In his legal opinion since he has a standing arrangement to pay the bill he is NOT past due and we are required (his word not mine) to allow him to do this upgrade. If we do not we are apparently in violation of some kind FCC regulations or federal laws , etc, etc.

    At this point I'm done with him and I tell him straight up the policy is the policy regardless of how it is worded online. Past due is Past due is Past due and he can't upgrade. If he still wants to dispute it, here's the number to Legal.



    Verified idiot

    Lady calls in upset because apparently we messed up something up on her account. Okay, I'm sorry about that and I can fix it for you no problem. May I have your passcode please?

    Oh you don't know the passcode? ....Then it seems we've hit a dead end as I can't make any changes on the account without it.

    She says that shouldn't matter because WE made the mistake and therefore SHE shouldn't have to verify anything to fix it. I reiterate that I cannot make ANY changes on the account, even corrective ones, without the passcode.

    So then she says that I shouldn't have to verify her again because she called about this same issue last week and the account holder verified then.



    Yes, she actually thought that verification on a PREVIOUS CALL was sufficient to verify her this time. Can you imagine if you walked in to a bar and tried to argue that because some other bartender checked your ID there LAST WEEK that they shouldn't have to ID you again this time?

    My faith in humanity rapidly fading I explained to her again that I can't do anything without the passcode, no ifs, ands or buts.

    Then she told me how much she hated my company and hung up.

    Customer standard time strikes again

    Another customer, ANOTHER ONE, who wants to restore an Unlimited Data Plan they switched off of in 2014. For those keeping score, this would be the FOURTH such customer in the last few months.

    WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??? Who in their right mind thinks we'll be able to change something like that two or more years after the fact??

    You're not fooling anyone

    I am speaking to "Bob Smith" from Riverside, California. "Bob Smith" wants to order three brand new iPhones for some of his lines with priority shipping.

    Oh and did I mention "Bob Smith" also has a very thick indian accent and is apparently surrounded by other people with indian accents based on the background noise on the call?

    Did I also mention "Bob Smith" wants these new iphones shipped to an address in New Jersey??

    Oh I'm sorry Mr. Smith, it seems our ordering system just went down on us...what a shame.

    I'm afraid you'll have to call back later or go to one of our <red checkmark> stores to get your phones.

    Mr. Smith...Mr. Smith are you still there?

    *CLICK*

    And that was about the point I plastered that account with fraud notes.

    What do you think this is, Judge Judy?

    I get a lot of dumb requests for credits, but this has to be one of the dumbest. Woman had her account suspended for non pay, allegedly due to an error on our part but I can find no evidence of any such error.

    That said, it's the last call of the day and I can see this account has been with us for 14 years. She's able to pay the full balance (I always find it amazing how QUICKLY customers can come up with money when their phones get shut off. Imagine that!) So I decide to be really nice and waive the reconnection fee for her.

    Of course, you know the name of this site so obviously this doesn't end here.

    She proceeds to tell me she would like some additional credits due to...wait for it....

    Pain and Suffering.

    Yes folks! She wants more credit because of how horrible a time she endured with her phones being cutoff because she didn't pay her bill.

    And to make this even more ridiculous, the total time her phones were disconnected for? 37 minutes.

    Appparently, it was the most awful and torturous 37 minutes of her life beacuse she is VERY serious about this credit. I politely explain to her I've already waived the reconnect fee when I could have let it stand and a 37 minute outage of her own making isn't really justification for additional credits.

    Suddenly she goes completely ballistic on me and demands my manager.

    As it turns out my manager didn't give her anything extra either.

    But the story doesn't end there. Apparently she called back and used the old "I'm cancelling my serivces!" trick to reach our severely spine lacking retention department who promptly gave her $175 in credits.

    I asked my manager if there was any way I could roll those credits back due to what happened earlier (and was clearly noted on the account). She said she doubts it, but she's going to take it to her manager for a final ruling.

    I really hate people sometimes.
    Last edited by CrazedClerkthe2nd; 07-29-2016, 06:34 PM.
    "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

  • #2
    Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
    But the story doesn't end there. Apparently she called back and used the old "I'm cancelling my serivces!" trick to reach our severely spine lacking retention department who promptly gave her $175 in credits.

    I asked my manager if there was any way I could roll those credits back due to what happened earlier (and was clearly noted on the account). She said she doubts it, but she's going to take it to her manager for a final ruling.

    I really hate people sometimes.

    I would be so far beyond pissed if I and a rep from a company agreed on a credit and someone else took it away.

    You may not agree with what that other rep did, but they, acting on behalf of the company, made an agreement with the customer after you talked to her. Backing it out would be acting in a retaliatory manner, and punishing the person who didn't do anything wrong (calling and continuing to ask for a credit is obnoxious, but the rep had the option to say no).

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    • #3
      Quoth deadbody View Post
      I would be so far beyond pissed if I and a rep from a company agreed on a credit and someone else took it away.

      You may not agree with what that other rep did, but they, acting on behalf of the company, made an agreement with the customer after you talked to her. Backing it out would be acting in a retaliatory manner, and punishing the person who didn't do anything wrong (calling and continuing to ask for a credit is obnoxious, but the rep had the option to say no).
      But it was a completely UNDESERVED credit only obtained by whining and it should NEVER have been issued in the first place...

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      • #4
        Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
        Customer standard time strikes again

        Another customer, ANOTHER ONE, who wants to restore an Unlimited Data Plan they switched off of in 2014. For those keeping score, this would be the FOURTH such customer in the last few months.

        WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??? Who in their right mind thinks we'll be able to change something like that two or more years after the fact??
        Could you explain why this is an issue? I think I don't understand the problem here. Are they just asking to switch account types or something?
        Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, you speak with the Fraud department. -- CrazedClerkthe2nd
        OW! Rolled my eyes too hard, saw my brain. -- Seanette
        she seems to top me in crazy, and I'm enough crazy for my family. -- Cooper
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        • #5
          They're asking for a feature that is no longer available, and likely was only grandfathered in when they changed it two years ago.
          "I look at the stars. It's a clear night and the Milky Way seems so near. That's where I'll be going soon. "We are all star stuff." I suddenly remember Delenn's line from Joe's script. Not a bad prospect. I am not afraid. In the meantime, let me close my eyes and sense the beauty around me. And take that breath under the dark sky full of stars. Breathe in. Breathe out. That's all."
          -Mira Furlan

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          • #6
            My understanding is that when smartphones first came out, some wireless carriers offered plans with unlimited data. They soon dropped them, after seeing how much this was costing them. Existing unlimited customers were "grandfathered", but nobody new could get an unlimited plan. If a customer with such a plan changed to a different plan (which some carriers required if they made ANY changes to the account - including replacing their phone with a newer model bought at the cash (nonsubsidised) price, or replacing a broken phone under the same circumstances), they couldn't go back to it.

            This is a case where a customer switched away from the unlimited plan 2 years ago, and wants to go back to it.
            Any fool can piss on the floor. It takes a talented SC to shit on the ceiling.

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            • #7
              Wolfie shares my understanding of how it works. There is no way in the system to go back to a plan that had been discontinued. If you were grandfathered in that's great, grand, and groovy, but the second you decide to switch out of that plan you can never get back into it - it's like that for cell phones, cable, and internet from my experience.

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              • #8
                Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                And to make this even more ridiculous, the total time her phones were disconnected for? 37 minutes.
                In a row?
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                • #9
                  Quoth Deserted View Post
                  Could you explain why this is an issue? I think I don't understand the problem here. Are they just asking to switch account types or something?
                  the plan doesn't exist anymore.

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                  • #10
                    Aw, lawyers. At the library there was a homeless guy who claimed to be a lawyer. Ok, fine, people of all walks of lives can hit rock bottom. Though I think the guy thought he was a lawyer because he read some of our law books

                    But you know a thing a bout lawyers? They know about contracts. Law is about contracts (or charging exorbanent fees per hour, hee). So when you sign your name to a document after reading the document (or even not reading the document), you should know it's a contract and you are bound to that contract. The library signed out laptops to the public to use in the library. You sign a document everytime you get a laptop. One thing the document says, "don't take laptop to the bathroom". I caught the "Lawyer" taking the laptop into the bathroom.

                    Also, he sued the library once, or else threaten to sue the library. There are 5 floor with bathrooms on each floor. ONe night the cleaning person was cleaning the bathroom on the first floor and told him to go to a bathroom on another floor. He went to the manager and told the manager that the library has to pay his dry cleaning bill since he peed in his pants since he couldn't use the bathroom on the first floor. Maybe it's me, but if you can't hold your pee long enough to go up one floor to use a different bathroom, maybe it's time to start wearing depends. Of course the library paid his dry cleaning.
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                    • #11
                      The part about unlimited data plans reminded me of this...

                      https://consumerist.com/2016/07/27/h...ounts-of-data/

                      You have to work hard to push red checkmark too far, but it can be done.

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                      • #12
                        Quoth deadbody View Post
                        You may not agree with what that other rep did, but they, acting on behalf of the company, made an agreement with the customer after you talked to her. Backing it out would be acting in a retaliatory manner, and punishing the person who didn't do anything wrong (calling and continuing to ask for a credit is obnoxious, but the rep had the option to say no).
                        it can be considered fraud, depending on how far the carrier is willing to go.

                        I had people call in agree to a verbal contract* of 50% credit then call back trying to get additional credit, in those cases at the time, company policy dictated that the initial credit be removed because the customer violated the agreement. I've seen reps credit accounts CORPORATE noted not to credit or touch. Because the customer kept calling until someone gave in to their shitty behavior, so what do you think they'll continue to do?


                        *the wording was very specific, it was a settlement credit, and they agreed to not ask for any further credit on the charges.
                        Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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                        • #13
                          Quoth BlaqueKatt View Post
                          I've seen reps credit accounts CORPORATE noted not to credit or touch. Because the customer kept calling until someone gave in to their shitty behavior, so what do you think they'll continue to do?
                          This. As long as SC's are rewarded (or think they will be) this sort of behavior WILL continue. Corporate needs to shut this sort of thing down with customer firings...

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                          • #14
                            Quoth deadbody View Post
                            I would be so far beyond pissed if I and a rep from a company agreed on a credit and someone else took it away.

                            You may not agree with what that other rep did, but they, acting on behalf of the company, made an agreement with the customer after you talked to her. Backing it out would be acting in a retaliatory manner, and punishing the person who didn't do anything wrong (calling and continuing to ask for a credit is obnoxious, but the rep had the option to say no).
                            In fact the Rep had the OBLIGATION to say no, based on the previous notes on the account. Reps are REQUIRED to follow those notes and if they are caught not doing so on a call observation that's an immediate write up.

                            I realize such a decision would likely piss off the customer. I COULD have just reversed the credit as soon as I saw it but, because of the potential fallout, I decided not to.The bottom line is that it WAS an unwarranted credit and my company would be within its rights to reverse it.

                            That said, I suspect the customer will be allowed to keep it, but I also suspect some ginormous bold letter notes will get added to the account regarding credit requests from this customer.
                            "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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                            • #15
                              Quoth CrazedClerkthe2nd View Post
                              ...but I also suspect some ginormous bold letter notes will get added to the account regarding credit requests from this customer.
                              Let's hope the next rep reads and heeds them...

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