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Old 11-21-2020, 03:13 AM
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Whilst we're at it,misspelled is misspelt. If it was spelt misspelled then it wouldn't be misspelt. If you see what I mean
Once again we see an example of two peoples separated by a common language.
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"The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked."
and in a timely manner....long after anything can be done most questions become stupid.
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Old 12-03-2020, 01:16 PM
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I like to make a distinction, though, between "ignorance" and "stupidity."
My fourth grade teacher once said, "There's a difference between being ignorant, and just plain stupid!" I didn't understand what he meant back then, but I figured it out pretty quickly once I went into retail.
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Heh. Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way.
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Heh. Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way.
True, but only for the workers. Rarely for the customers.
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Old 12-10-2020, 01:54 AM
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One of my favorite teachers, lo, these many years ago, explained it this way:

Ignorance is when you haven't had an opportunity to learn.

Stupidity is when you have had the opportunity, but refused to take it.
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"There may not be any stupid questions, but there are tons of inquisitive morons." -one of my old uni profs I'm not sure where he got it from though
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One big problem with defining stupid as "should have learned" is that what's obvious, or easy to understand, for one person, is not so for another. As an example, I'm on the autistic spectrum -- some social signals are not obvious to me, and my attention patterns do not match the "standard model".

Another, overlapping, is that "teaching" someone requires more than uttering words at them. Some people may have authority, but not credibility -- e.g., when the office bully tells you "this is how things work around here".
And some lessons require a background knowledge, or abilities, which may not be universal -- e.g., I have a computer background, not everyone does.

If sat my boss in front of our Square station and tried to tell him "oh, it's easy, you just choose the credit screen, enter the price and and click on the accept button" -- well, the first problem would be that he doesn't see so good, or have full control of his hands. Then there'd be the issue that he's not going to be able to follow the modal behavior of the Square, because that's only "intuitive" once you've been trained into that intuition. Let alone his technophobia, which would shutting down his higher faculties....

If our positions were reversed, with me being his boss, I could perhaps tell him "you've gotta learn this or you're fired" -- and then I the technocratic manager, would be firing somebody who has both social abilities and in-field knowledge (literature and the book business) that flatly dwarfs mine, solely because he couldn't do my thing as well as his own. Who's the stupid one here?
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One big problem with defining stupid as "should have learned" is that what's obvious, or easy to understand, for one person, is not so for another.
Agreed. That's why I see it as a choice – an active refusal to learn by those who can very easily do so.
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Some people may have authority, but not credibility -- e.g., when the office bully tells you "this is how things work around here".
I used to have a boss who literally told me "I don't pay you to think" . . . at an IT position (mostly tech support). I really wish I could have told him that yes, an important part of my job is literally to think.
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Agreed. That's why I see it as a choice an active refusal to learn by those who can very easily do so.
The problem is, it's not so easy to tell whether someone won't learn, or can't. The classic here is "oh, they won't look me in the eyes, obviously they're being shifty liars..." -- when both cultures and conditions can make it very difficult for someone to do that, and it's not just a matter of telling them what to do.

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I used to have a boss who literally told me "I don't pay you to think" . . . at an IT position (mostly tech support). I really wish I could have told him that yes, an important part of my job is literally to think.
I'd consider that, right there, an abusive job and a dysfunctional IT department.
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