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    I got this email earlier today, and I'm sitting here confused and going "WTF?" all over the place. I apologize for it being long winded, but it's a legal thing, and I'm not quite sure what's going on. Any information or help someone can give me is greatly appreciated... I'm really confused. apparently I may be part of a class action settlement thingie...?

    Quoth the email
    SUMMARY NOTICE OF CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT AND YOUR RIGHT TO
    THE $10 GIFT VOUCHER(S) PROVIDED BELOW
    THIS NOTICE MAY AFFECT YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS - PLEASE READ IT CAREFULLY.

    Dear 1-800-Flowers.com Customer:

    Because you purchased products between March 1, 2006 and February 5, 2008 from the www.1-800-Flowers.com website, when a “shipping charge” was noted on the website and the products were delivered by a local florist, you are a Class Member. Under a proposed class action settlement, upon final Court approval, you are entitled to a Gift Voucher of $10 for each order that you placed at www.1-800-Flowers.com between March 1, 2006 and February 5, 2008. Simply visit www.1-800-Flowers.com, choose any bouquet, gift basket or other product, and then enter your Gift Code Number at time of check out. Your Gift Code Number or Numbers are EUDGPR.

    Each Gift Voucher is valid for a single Internet order during the six month period following final Court approval (the “Redemption Period”) and is not valid for redemption or delivery of products during the one-week period (7 days) prior to Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day. Complete details, along with dates of the Redemption Period, can be found at www.molnarsettlement.com. Please check the www.molnarsettlement.com website after March 29, 2010 to determine whether and when Final Approval has been granted and the exact dates of the Redemption Period.

    A class action lawsuit entitled Molnar v. 1-800-Flowers Retail, Inc. was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court (Case Number BC382828) on December 21, 2007. The lawsuit alleges that 1-800-Flowers made misleading statements and omitted information concerning the shipping and delivery charges associated with certain on-line purchases of floral products. 1-800-Flowers denies these claims, denies that it has done anything wrong, and denies that any Class Member was damaged in any way. The Court did not decide who was right. However, to avoid the expense of litigation, inconvenience, and interference with business operations, the parties have reached a settlement that they believe is in the best interests of the company and its customers.

    A final hearing will be held to determine whether the proposed Settlement is fair, reasonable and adequate, and should be finally approved. The hearing will take place on March 29, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. in Dept. 23 of the Los Angeles Superior Court, located at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, California 90012. You are not required to attend the hearing in order to participate in the settlement.

    IF YOU WISH TO BE PART OF THIS CASE and/or receive the benefits of the settlement, you do not need to do anything. This Notice contains your individual Gift Code Number or Numbers, and thereby provides you one or more Gift Vouchers for future use during the Redemption Period. KEEP THIS NOTICE FOR FUTURE USE AND TO REDEEM YOUR $10 GIFT VOUCHER OR VOUCHERS. Upon Final Judicial Approval of the settlement, each Class Member, who does not timely opt-out of the settlement, will be bound by the Settlement and/or the Court’s final Order and shall automatically be entitled to use the Gift Voucher or Vouchers and shall receive $10 off one purchase per Voucher at www.1-800-Flowers.com. As part of this Settlement, it is expected that over $60 million dollars in Gift Vouchers will be provided to Class Members. Class Counsel, Westrup Klick, LLP, will seek attorney’s fees and costs not to exceed $400,000 and an incentive award to Plaintiff for no more than $5,000. The full text of the Notice Of Proposed Class Settlement (the “Notice”), which further explains the settlement terms and restrictions, appears at www.molnarsettlement.com.

    IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO BE PART OF THIS CASE, you may exclude yourself. To do so, you must mail a request to “OPT OUT,” postmarked no later than February 22, 2010. The request must state: “I wish to be excluded from the 1-800-Flowers Class Action Settlement.” Mail your request to be excluded to Thomas Molnar v. 1-800-Flowers Retail, Inc. et al., c/o The Garden City Group, Inc., P.O. Box 9558, Dublin, OH 43017-4858. If you properly and timely exclude yourself from the settlement you will NOT be entitled to use the $10 Gift Voucher. In addition, you have the right to object to the settlement. The procedures for objecting are set forth in the Notice which appears at www.molnarsettlement.com.

    IF YOU WANT TO OBJECT TO THE TERMS OF THE SETTLEMENT, you must file and serve your written request to appear and object with the Court and upon Counsel for all parties by February 22, 2010. You must serve all such notices and papers upon Class Counsel and Defendants’ Counsel at the following addresses: 1) Mark Van Buskirk, Westrup Klick LLP, 444 W. Ocean Blvd., Suite 1614, Long Beach, CA 90802 (“Class Counsel”); and 2) Judith A. Powell, Kilpatrick Stockton, LLP, 1100 Peachtree Street, Suite 2800, Atlanta, Georgia 30309 (“Defendants’ Counsel”). The Court’s mailing address for filing an objection is: Los Angeles Superior Court, Dept. 23, 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, California 90012. You may attend the final hearing either in person or through an attorney retained at your own expense. However, Class Members who do not make timely and properly filed objections will be deemed to have waived all objections and shall not be entitled to be heard at the settlement approval hearing. If your objection is rejected you will be bound by the final judgment just as if you had not objected.

    Please direct any questions you have regarding this settlement or this lawsuit to Class Counsel, Westrup Klick, LLP. Do not direct any such questions to the Court, to 1-800-Flowers.com, or to Counsel for Defendants.

    Please do not reply to this message. We are unable to respond to inquiries sent in reply to this email.

    So, thoughts? Is this a scam? Should I opt out? But if I do, they'll have my contact information, and who knows what they can do with that. Like I said I'm really confused. I went to the website (not clicking on the link in case it was a phishing scam of some kind, and it looks like there really is a case, but again, I'm really, really confused. So. Advice? Help? Anyone?

  • #2
    I don't know...I do know most class action lawsuits end up making more money for the lawyers than anyone else..
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    • #3
      1: Did you even buy flowers from that site? If not, then yeah, its a scam.

      2: The only lawsuit that I know off, and the only one one that google is showing up on just about every link is the one by the guy sueing because flowers told his wife that he sent flowers to a different girl.

      Personally, I'm damn sure its a scam.
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      • #4
        Did you buy from 1-800 Flowers at all?

        I did check, there WAS a case filed.

        HOWEVER....the following things to consider about this email.

        1) The fact that it says "gift code number/numbers" and then uses letters. if this is a mass email, why would they give the SAME number out to people? (most gift vouchers I know of contain different numbers for people unless it's a special promotion which people usually end up shelling out for)
        2) The email gives the address as "Los Angeles Superior Court". It's actually the Stanley Mosk Courthouse. Wouldn't most emails give out the actual courthouse name? (I checked the website to see if the case was legitimate or not, it only allows a 14-day calendar period search) The website does the exact same thing. (most of it also looks copied straight from the website)


        It sounds a little bit fishy though. If you can, maybe check with legal aid?
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        • #5
          I have purchased from the site before, I just don't know the exact days or times, and from 3-5 years ago? Yeah, no so sure if it was in that time frame...hence the confusion. My concern is whether to opt out or not, and what that may or may not entail. I wish I did know of a legal aid I could go to, but I haven't the money, so...yeah.

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          • #6
            Standard scam question: Are they asking for any personal or banking information from you, other than your name? Any potential for money or identity theft? If not, it may actually be on the up and up.

            Many years ago, I got a snail mail along similar lines with a different company I had made purchases from. Seeing no harm in doing so, I signed on. Many months later, unbeknownst to me, the case was settled, either through a settlement or a judgment, I don't know which. The only way I knew about it being finalized was the check I later received in the mail.

            For about three bucks.

            Remember, with class action lawsuits, you may have a LOT of plaintiffs. A million dollar settlement in a class action lawsuit joined by 250,000 people will result in $4 per person....before you take the lawyer fees out.

            Quoth fireheart17 View Post
            2) The email gives the address as "Los Angeles Superior Court". It's actually the Stanley Mosk Courthouse. Wouldn't most emails give out the actual courthouse name?
            Depends on the court's preference, actually. But if it gave the name of the court house, it would only be after the name of the court itself. Because the mailing address of the court IS the court, within the building...not the building itself.

            In other words, it would either be:

            Los Angeles Superior Court
            Dept. 23
            111 North Hill Street
            Los Angeles, California 90012.

            -OR-

            Los Angeles Superior Court
            Dept. 23
            Stanley Mosk Courthouse
            111 North Hill Street
            Los Angeles, California 90012.

            Because, you see, the LA Superior Court is probably not the only entity in the building. There could be other courts (Family Court, Small Claims Court, Traffic Court, Appeals Court), not to mention other related offices (Clerk of the Court, Parole Office, Victim's Advocate, Public Defender, District Attorney, etc.)

            Hope that clears it up a bit.

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            • #7
              The email was C&Ped in its entirety Jester. So, so far, no asking for contact info, but if I send a letter opting out, they're going to want name and addy, at least, I believe. I don't know. I just dont' want to get a letter later on down the line saying I owe money to help pay lawyer's fees since I was part of the Class action thingie, you know?

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              • #8
                I can't find a single thing on the internet.
                Even snopes.com has nothing.
                I checked out the link http://www.molnarsettlement.com/
                Plaintiff Thomas Molnar (hereinafter referred to as “Plaintiff”) filed a class action lawsuit against 1-800-Flowers on behalf of himself and all Class Members. Plaintiff’s law firm is Westrup Klick, LLP (“Class Counsel”) and that firm represents Plaintiff and the Class Members.

                The lawsuit alleges that 1-800-Flowers made misleading statements and omitted information concerning the shipping and delivery charges associated with certain online purchases of floral products. Specifically, Plaintiff alleges that he and other similarly-situated consumers were either charged for a service they did not receive, i.e. shipping, or were charged and paid for delivery twice – once as a “shipping charge” despite that the floral arrangements were hand delivered by a local florist, and once as a delivery charge that was built into the merchandise price of the product. Plaintiff alleges Defendants’ violation of certain New York General Business Law provisions, along with common law counts. 1-800-Flowers denies these claims, and denies that it has done anything wrong.
                There was a link to this
                I also found this

                The alleged copy of the court documents says it was filed Jan 8, 2010, but the second link shows it was filed Jan 28, 2008.

                I don't know what to tell you.

                There are class action scams.
                The person opts in to the suit, and then they have to hand over banking info to claim their part of the settlement.

                In this case, though, it looks like some type of $10 voucher.
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                • #9
                  I have received three or four of these in the past. The last one I remember was for American Express and the service fees they charged when used abroad.

                  The case looks legit. There was a class action filed on January 18, 2008. From there, can't say...

                  First off, the disclaimer. IANAL.

                  You are given three option.
                  1. Do nothing, accept the terms of the settlement, and FORFEIT YOUR RIGHTS to further claims on this alleged fraud.
                  2. Exclude yourself from the claim. This will allow you to file your own claim against 1-800-flowers for the alleged fraud.
                  3. Object to the settlement. You can appear in court and request a different settlement.

                  If you made lots purchases from 1-800-flowers during the claim period, you may feel that the $10.00 voucher is not sufficient. However, you will need to weigh the cost versus the reward.

                  The easiest course of action is to do nothing and accept the claim.

                  As the reward is a voucher, you will need to spend money with 1-800-flowers to use it. I doubt they have anything for $10.00. If you plan to use 1-800-flowers again, $10.00 savings is a $10,00 savings.

                  I doubt it is a scam. If you are not sure, do nothing. You may get a $10.00 voucher.
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                  • #10
                    Quoth lupo pazzesco View Post
                    I just dont' want to get a letter later on down the line saying I owe money to help pay lawyer's fees since I was part of the Class action thingie, you know?
                    I can't comment on yours, but I know that I have received two of these in the past.

                    One I did nothing, and never heard about it again. I assumed doing nothing meant that I was basically saying thanks, but no thanks, as I had not opted in.

                    The other one I opted in, and later received the small check I mentioned.

                    Since both looked legit, I based my decision on the fact that in the first case, I had not been in any way involved with the business being sued, and in the second, I had.

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                    • #11
                      I've received one of these in the past, in paper form and dealing with a different branch of a former employer, and did nothing. Never heard from them again.

                      IANAL, but it seems that if you do nothing, they take it as a "no thanks" as Jester said. It would seem that lawyer fees would be taken from the settlement, and not paid out by the participants.
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                      • #12
                        Quoth Kogarashi View Post
                        It would seem that lawyer fees would be taken from the settlement, and not paid out by the participants.
                        That is assuming that there is a settlement, which is never a guarantee in such suits.

                        I have no idea where the lawyer fees come from if there is no settlement or if the plaintiff loses, but I imagine it's from the original complainant(s).

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                        • #13
                          "A class action lawsuit entitled Molnar v. 1-800-Flowers Retail, Inc. was filed in Los Angeles Superior Court (Case Number BC382828) on December 21, 2007."

                          That phrase gives a librarian sufficient information to advise you on how to find out - from the Los Angeles Superior Court - whether such a case exists and who the plaintiffs were; and other such public information.

                          I am neither a librarian nor a lawyer, but that's where I'd start looking.
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                          • #14
                            That phrase gives a librarian sufficient information to advise you on how to find out
                            Please don't get a librarian involved, we are sick and tired of legal questions. I would just give the number of the courthouse.

                            My advise, do nothing. One year when I was in HS I applied for a job at a chain grocery store.

                            Years latter I get a letter like you did, though it was about how the chain store discriminated. I did nothing, and latter on the case was settled and I got maybe $10.

                            The letter you got seems harmless to me.
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