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  • Thank You For Bending Us Over Without Even Buying Us Dinner First

    Today was clearly a Fuck You Thursday. We were not amused. And I am not using the royal "we" here, but am referring to my coworker and myself.

    I am not talking about the many people who left us crappy tips or no tips at all, which happened WAY too often today. That was just the icing on the cake. The cake was a whole different pile of horseshit.

    So, what was the big cake I'm referring to. It was the pub crawl. But first, a bit of background:

    There are many organized pub crawls in Key West. Some are just for specific events, such as Fantasy Fest, Fourth of July, or St. Patrick's Day. Some are regular events to give tourists a chance to experience several different bars; the reason an establishment would sign up for such an event is with the idea that the people on the crawl will, at a later date, return to the establishment to actually spend their money. Which, quite honestly, they never seem to do. Some of In the crawls are occasional things sponsored by specific groups that are down in the Keys for some reason. And some are just random organized crawls that happen for, well, whatever reason. As someone who does not organize pub crawls beyond my own random ones, I cannot really say.

    In any case, we had an organized pub crawl of approximately 70 people scheduled to come through The Bar today at about 2 pm. So the bartender that would normally have been scheduled at 5 was scheduled to come in at 1, as that is simply too much for any one bartender to handle.

    So "Patty" shows up at 1. It's relatively slow. But we're ready. I've stocked, and she and I go about getting even readier and stockeder for the mad rush that will ensue around 2. And we find out that the crawl will come in in two groups, approximately half of the total each time. Awesome. Makes it easier for us to take care of them quickly and efficiently.

    2:00 approaches, and we receive word that the crawl is "minutes away."

    2:00 comes, and no sign of them.

    2:00 goes, and no sign of them.

    3:00 comes and goes, and no sign of them.

    I should point out that, had it been busy regardless of the lack of the crawl members, Patty and I wouldn't have cared. But...it wasn't. It was dead. How dead? Well, the Undertaker called to chew us out for stealing his business. It was that dead.

    3:30 comes along, and we receive word that they are not far now.

    4:00. Still no crawl.

    Finally, shortly after 4, they show up. Not the first half, mind you, but ALL of them. At once. BAM! Here they are.

    Great.

    And....Patty and I spring into action, writing down multiple orders each, slinging drinks, doing what we can to keep up.

    Not that the crawl members understand or care about this.

    CRAWLER: "Can we get some drinks here?"
    PATTY: "Ma'am, you all just came in here. We're moving as fast as we can, and will get to you as soon as we can."

    Separately from the above incident, I had my own run-in with a crawler. While I am making my first batch of 8 drinks or so, there are a few crawlers seated right by the service bar, looking at me expectantly.

    JESTER: (politely) "Ladies, we will be with you just as soon as we can."
    CRAWLER 2: "Hurry up! Hurry up!" (This came out half-joking, but half-serious.)
    JESTER: (stopping what I am doing, looking the crawler straight in the eye, and pointing at her) "You're last!"

    Don't get me wrong, there is some amusement in the crawl.

    CRAWLER 3: (indicated a gold dollar coin they've placed on the bar as a tip) "There's a dollar bill for you."
    JESTER: "No, that's not a dollar bill. That's a dollar COIN."
    CRAWLER 3: ".....good point."

    But finally, working quickly, efficiently, and diligently, we get all the pub crawlers their drinks, and they clear out of the bar, giving us a chance to clean up and take care of the (very few) other guests we have. Some of the crawlers tipped us. Most did not. In total, we made about 15 bucks.

    Now, the crawlers did not pay us for their drinks. Rather, as pre-arranged, they gave us tickets for each drink. The basic deal is that they pay the crawl organizers for the experience, and the organizers arrange with each bar how it will work at that establishment. At our place, their tickets gave them a choice of A, B, or C (the specifics aren't important for this story.) The organizers, in turn, pay the tab that the crawlers ran up at each bar, usually with some sort of discount. In our case, 50%. So, while the crawlers didn't tip us all that well, we know that the organizers will take care of us, right?

    Riiiiiight. Despite Patty telling me that she's worked this crawl before (it's usually a night thing, not a day thing, and not usually with so many people--this time it was a large group off of a cruise ship), and that the organizer always takes care of the staff, it didn't quite work out that way. About a half hour or so after the crawlers have crawled off to their next bar, one of the organizers comes in to settle the tab.

    And tips us exactly the same amount that each and every one of you reading this tipped me today. That's right: nothing.

    When Patty asked her about this, the organizer said, "Well this time, THEY were supposed to tip." Meaning the crawlers. The ones who, well, didn't. And traditionally don't. After all, in their minds, they've already paid for the experience...why should they have to tip? So, despite being told (allegedly) by the organizers that they should tip their bartenders, only a few actually did so. And Patty and I were left with tips totaling far less than even 10% of the total bill, before the organizers got HALF off.

    Yes, the crawlers were supposed to tip.

    They didn't.

    So perhaps you should be smart and take care of the bartenders that make your job even remotely possibly, you cheapass fucking cow.

    Needless to say, Patty and I were seething, as she had come in four hours early, and I had had to split what would normally have been just my tips with Patty for the three hours before the crawl actually arrived. Patty made a point of expressing our displeasure to management, who were rather shocked by the treatment we received, after they had bent over backwards to make sure our bar would be able to accommodate the crawl. I am pretty sure that Boss Man is going to have some words with the organizers. And these are probably not going to be the same words he uses in front of his son.

    When Patty related her conversation with the organizer to me (she took the payment from Miss Cow), I told her that she should have said, "Yes, they were supposed to tip. And you were supposed to be here at 2. Isn't it amazing how things don't work they way they're supposed to?"

    Thank you, crawl organizers, for fucking over two of the best bartenders in a rather small town. Not to mention two of the most talkative, two of the loudest, two of the most social, and two of the most vindictive.

    Smart move.

    Let us know how that fucking works out for you.

    "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
    Still A Customer."


  • #2
    If these guys want to come through again, what's the chance management will tell them sorry, try somewhere else?

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    • #3
      The organizers should've also had to pay gratuity. It's not fair that you guys had to bust your asses for such a low amount of tip money.

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      • #4
        Agreed. The organizers should have tipped us. They have in the past. Although Patty told me that the female organizer usually tips less than the male organizer. But not usually NOTHING.

        In any case, Patty plans on giving the male organizer a piece of her very loud, very opinionated mind when next she sees him. Management takes a dim view of abuse of their staff, and I imagine they will also have a word with the crawl organizers. I cannot and will not predict what our establishment's future relationship will or will not be with said crawl, however.

        "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
        Still A Customer."

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        • #5
          Quoth Jester View Post
          Thank you, crawl organizers, for fucking over two of the best bartenders in a rather small town. Not to mention two of the most talkative, two of the loudest, two of the most social, and two of the most vindictive.

          Smart move.

          Let us know how that fucking works out for you.
          Quoth Jester View Post
          In any case, Patty plans on giving the male organizer a piece of her very loud, very opinionated mind when next she sees him. Management takes a dim view of abuse of their staff, and I imagine they will also have a word with the crawl organizers. I cannot and will not predict what our establishment's future relationship will or will not be with said crawl, however.
          I predict that the next time that organizer tries to set up a pub crawl, she'll have to go a bit north on I95 before she finds a bar that will work with her. Richmond, maybe?
          Any fool can piss on the floor. It takes a talented SC to shit on the ceiling.

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          • #6
            Quoth wolfie View Post
            I predict that the next time that organizer tries to set up a pub crawl, she'll have to go a bit north on I95 before she finds a bar that will work with her. Richmond, maybe?
            No, don't send those cheapasses up here! We don't want them either.
            "...WHY DO YOU TEMPT WHAT LITTLE FAITH IN HUMANITY I HAVE!?!" ~ Kalga

            "DO NOT ENRAGE THE MIGHTY SKY DRAGON." ~ Gravekeeper

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            • #7
              A question from an uninitiated: do the same rules for wages and tips apply to bartenders in the US that apply to waitstaff? Meaning, they make below minimum wage because it is expected that they are tipped?
              You gotta polish a memory like a stone. Chip off the parts that remind you it was just a game. Work it until it's indistinguishable from any other memory.

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              • #8
                Ugh. Next time, negotiate the gratuty into the organizer's bill if they are going to play that game. And make it 20% for putting up with them.
                Life: Reality TV for deities. - dalesys

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                • #9
                  Quoth Canarr View Post
                  A question from an uninitiated: do the same rules for wages and tips apply to bartenders in the US that apply to waitstaff? Meaning, they make below minimum wage because it is expected that they are tipped?
                  I don't know Jester's situation, but yes. The minimum wage for tipped professions is lower than that of non-tipped, with the caveat that the employer must make up the difference if their staff don't reach real minimum wage between wage + tips.

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                  • #10
                    The title reminds me of something Cartman said to his mom in "Centipad". I'm not surprised they got there late. They probably were at another bar, where 1/2 were suppose to be but the full contigent got there, overwhelming the staff. I can imagine also:

                    sc1: they said to tip the waitstaff.
                    sc2: fuck the organizers! We are paying them already, they should be tipping the staff.
                    organizers: but when you signed the contract, you agreed to tipping the staff.
                    sc2: screw that! I'm already paying a lot for the bar crawl.
                    organizers: but you are only paying 1/2 of the normal price.
                    sc2: It's not my fault you don't know what your doing!
                    Time! Time! Time is what turns kittens into cats.

                    Don't teach me a lesson; all I learn is that you are an asshole.

                    I wish porn had subtitles.

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Canarr View Post
                      A question from an uninitiated: do the same rules for wages and tips apply to bartenders in the US that apply to waitstaff? Meaning, they make below minimum wage because it is expected that they are tipped?
                      Yes, the same rules apply, at least as far as I know. I can only speak with authority on the applicable laws in Arizona and Florida, of course, but from my understanding, that is generally the way it works everywhere in the U.S.

                      Quoth mhkohne View Post
                      Ugh. Next time, negotiate the gratuty into the organizer's bill if they are going to play that game. And make it 20% for putting up with them.
                      If it were up to me, or it were my bar, this would happen. It wasn't, and it isn't.

                      However, there may yet be consequences for the organizers from this incident. After all, management has two of their best and brightest outraged by this. (This is not an arrogant statement. Patty and I were sponsored by The Bar to be part of a prestigious mixology course in May, which culminated in a trip to a live seminar and test for certification in Miami; they did not sponsor us and pay for the vast majority of the trip because we are not good at what we do or because they don't like what we do.)

                      Quoth depechemodefan View Post
                      I can imagine also:

                      sc1: they said to tip the waitstaff.
                      sc2: fuck the organizers! We are paying them already, they should be tipping the staff.
                      organizers: but when you signed the contract, you agreed to tipping the staff.
                      sc2: screw that! I'm already paying a lot for the bar crawl.
                      organizers: but you are only paying 1/2 of the normal price.
                      sc2: It's not my fault you don't know what your doing!
                      Unlikely that it was even close to this. More likely it went like this:

                      The organizers told our management, "Oh, don't worry. We will make sure to tell the attendees that they need to tip the bartenders." Then they told the crawlers, "Make sure you tip your bartenders today," and said nothing more about it. And many of the crawlers probably just blew that off as so much noise coming out of the organizers' mouths. People, as we know on this site, don't really listen anyway.

                      "The Customer Is Always Right...But The Bartender Decides Who Is
                      Still A Customer."

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                      • #12
                        Actually, there are half a dozen or so states that must pay waitstaff minimum wage.

                        Madness takes it's toll....
                        Please have exact change ready.

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                        • #13
                          Quoth Merriweather View Post
                          Actually, there are half a dozen or so states that must pay waitstaff minimum wage.
                          Actually, it appears to be federal: Department of Labor minimum wage FAQ. The second question there talks about making up to minimum wage if tips don't do it.
                          Life: Reality TV for deities. - dalesys

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                          • #14
                            Alaska has no tip credit and generally bartenders here are payed even more than minimum. Most ads I see for bartenders start at $8. an hour plus most of the bartenders I know are making plenty in tips. I've worked in states with tip credit and always have a lot more side work than I do here often work that would be prep or dishwasher work traditionally.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth mhkohne View Post
                              Actually, it appears to be federal: Department of Labor minimum wage FAQ. The second question there talks about making up to minimum wage if tips don't do it.
                              Federal Minimum Wage is the bare minimum for FLSA covered positions, yes, but states are allowed to have their own minimum wage defined. Where different, MOST are higher than the Fed.

                              For example, minimum wage in FL is $7.79 with a tipped employee minimum wage of $4.65.

                              Sources:
                              http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm#Florida
                              http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Florida
                              http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm#Consolidated

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