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  • #31
    Quoth katie kaboom View Post
    Ah, but that's the thing. It's not just a small list. It's a goddamn index if you ask me. Honestly, the FBI probably has less rules than this website.
    If the rules weren't necessary, they wouldn't exist.

    People probably think I'm being bitchy for posting a gigantic list of rules for the christmas card exchange. Frankly, I don't care. Last year's exchange was a disaster and a half behind the scenes, (and I'm only sort of complaining because I still had a lot of fun ) and to save myself some headaches *this* year, I am having to crack down on the rules.

    Something as simple as providing complete and correct contact information the first time around, joining by the deadline (the signup period was at *least* 2 months long!), and then following through with actually sending the cards that you signed up to send was too much for some people. I was literally begging people to send me their missing email addresses, and it shouldn't come to that! (NOTE: This year is going quite nicely, thank you very much! )

    We all complain about our customers and how stupid they are for not reading signs, receipts, the bills and statements that are mailed to them, etc. However, many of us are JUST as guilty of "not reading the signs", i.e. the rules and following them properly.

    Frankly, I think if someone signs up but can't be arsed to read and follow the rules, they don't belong here anyway. I don't care that there are a lot of them- every single one exists because some chuckle head did something dumb or rude and made it necessary.

    That's just my (long winded) opinion, though.
    "This is the first time I've seen you look ugly, and that makes me happy!"

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    • #32
      Kinda like the warning on my hairdryer:
      DO NOT USE IN SHOWER

      You know someone did it or that tag wouldn't be on there...
      "I don't want any part of your crazy cult! I'm already a member of the public library and that's good enough for me, thanks!"

      ~TechSmith 314
      HellGate: London

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      • #33
        Quoth Boozy View Post
        It would be nice if a simple "Respect your fellow members and don't start crap" would suffice.
        I know, I know. That works on smaller boards with small communities, but this place is too large, and there have been too many incidents that require something specific. Generally speaking, though, respecting other members is the core of what the rules stand for.

        Quoth April View Post
        speaking of everyone getting along.......Where are the trolls?? I kinda miss the trolls. They were entertainment at least :P
        They're back under their bridge where they belong.

        Rapscallion

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        • #34
          Quoth Rapscallion View Post
          They're back under their bridge where they belong.
          Ree and I were pretty much the ones who put them there. She was the one who came up for the "Trollguard", as Raps likes to call it, and I was the one who figured how to implement it.

          If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's the moderation period for new members. Ree had mentioned it awhile back, and after a troll attack, I set it up as a temporary emergency measure. But it helped us out so much, we decided to keep using it. Most of you have no idea of some of the stuff people attempt, simply because it doesn't get seen.
          Sometimes life is altered.
          Break from the ropes your hands are tied.
          Uneasy with confrontation.
          Won't turn out right. Can't turn out right

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          • #35
            I suppose theres no way you can set up a small /when trolls attack/ sigment, show us some attempts, but no choice for replys? I'm talking about the less hardcore ones, not that bad ones.
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            • #36
              It would just encourage them to get seen - trolls thrive on publicity.

              Rapscallion

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              • #37
                Not to mention the fact that 99.9% of it is BORING!
                Seriously, most of it isn't insults or porn or even remotely interesting in anyway.
                We'd have to call a section like that The Sleeping Pill or similar.
                *snores*
                "I don't want any part of your crazy cult! I'm already a member of the public library and that's good enough for me, thanks!"

                ~TechSmith 314
                HellGate: London

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                • #38
                  What's boring to one person may be fascinating to someone else.

                  That's all i'm saying.
                  Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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                  • #39
                    Quoth katie kaboom View Post
                    What's boring to one person may be fascinating to someone else.
                    In that case, refer to this post http://www.customerssuck.com/board/s...550#post174550

                    That's all I'm saying.
                    Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

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                    • #40
                      Honestly, this thread has derailed so badly... I accept my own part in it.

                      I'm not going to close it just because I think it's fine if you guys want to vent about us. We aren't planning on changing anytime soon- but complain if you wish.
                      Whatever.

                      Let's just keep it on topic or drop it.
                      "I don't want any part of your crazy cult! I'm already a member of the public library and that's good enough for me, thanks!"

                      ~TechSmith 314
                      HellGate: London

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                      • #41
                        Feedback is great.

                        Offering suggestions and having an open mind is conducive to maintaining a quality site.

                        Sometimes, a member will point out something that hasn't occurred to the moderating team, and that's great.
                        Where I take issue is when a mod says, "Thanks, but we have to say no to that" and the member, or others, just won't let it lie.

                        Yeah, our rules are pretty lengthy. Every one of them had to be put there for a reason.
                        The writer didn't just randomly start putting words on a page.

                        Originally, they were not as extensive as they are now. When I first joined, the rules were pretty basic, but over time, people did not play nice, an argument ensued, and it became necessary to add that situation to the rules so it didn't happen again.

                        I can only imagine how many times the original owner had to hear, "It's not against the rules," before he added things to the rules.

                        Some of the rules evolved from moderator suggestions and guidelines that were posted as stickies, but largely ignored. Again, we heard, "Theres' no rule that says we have to do that."

                        For an example, right now, there is a sticky about how to use quotes, and there have been several moderator posts about that very topic, yet on any given day, I either have to add quote tags to certain members' posts because they refuse to use them, and it's confusing as hell to read their posts, or I have to edit an entire quoted post when only one line in that post is relevant.

                        Proper quoting is not currently a part of the rules, but friendly suggestions don't work, so maybe down the road, we will have to add that to the rules so we have something solid to point to, or even issue an infraction for repeated violations. (Can't see that happening in this case, but it's an example.)

                        There is a rule about contentious issues, specifically naming political or religious topics as unsuitable for this board, yet, 3 times in the past week, Raps or one of the mods, including me, have had to point out that we have a separate site for those very topics, because someone either started an thread on those topics, or made a reply that contained a reference to those topics.
                        There is even a sticky directing people to www.fratching.com yet the controversial posts continue, and the infractions and warnings pile up, and the members just continue to be banned because they can't be bothered to read and follow directions.

                        Maybe the rules are too extensive, and the members stop reading after a certain point. I don't know.
                        Maybe we should start the rules with the problem areas first so those issues are covered.

                        I do know that simply saying, "Respect each other" is not going to cut it around here, and years of experience have proven that fact.
                        Too tired of living and too tired to end it. What a conundrum.

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                        • #42
                          Quoth Ree View Post
                          Originally, they were not as extensive as they are now. When I first joined, the rules were pretty basic, but over time, people did not play nice, an argument ensued, and it became necessary to add that situation to the rules so it didn't happen again.
                          When I joined up almost 7 years ago, there was nothing against the rules against posting controversial topics. They were dealt with if they got out of hand, but "if" became "when" too many times, almost every single time, in fact.
                          Sometimes life is altered.
                          Break from the ropes your hands are tied.
                          Uneasy with confrontation.
                          Won't turn out right. Can't turn out right

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                          • #43
                            I even remember when there was a hot topics part of the board...I like fratching idea much better...but that other section, what was the name of that? I can't remember now, LOL! But I gotta say again, I think everything here is very fair. Love this board!

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                            • #44
                              It is interesting to read people's comments - both "good" and "bad". I put those words in quotes because the meanings of good opinion and bad opinion change based on how the person posting feels and the person reading feels.

                              Based on work/life experience, people thrive better when they are explained the WHY behind things.

                              -WHY are there less trolls?
                              Because there are measures set up to ensure everyone here can post without being annoyed by them. We're nice like that.

                              -WHY was my thread moderated?
                              a Mod will usually PM you with that info.

                              -WHY can't I put a fork into my toaster?
                              Don't laugh, just as most of our rules - this one was most likely put on boxes b/c someone did it and then complained there was no warning saying NOT to.

                              -WHY are there so many rules?
                              See the above.

                              -WHY do I have to remember all these rules?
                              You don't. That's why they are in print and always posted. Remembering them is simple if you choose to be civil just as you would want someone to be civil to you. Driving has a lot of rules. No one forgets that going through a red light is bad. No one forgets the difference between drive and reverse. After doing it for a while, it becomes second nature. It's the same thing with posting.

                              Remember, you can choose not to follow the rules that you clicked "I ACCEPT" to. I didn't click it. You did. No one is being held hostage here. No one. You are as free to leave as you are to stay.


                              *******

                              Another thing to keep in mind is that we are all people. We have emotions. We have flaws. There are times when I am reading a thread, and I want to put my fist through the screen b/c of a statement made. Even good intentioned people fark up sometimes. It's why the point infraction system is set up. Very rarely does someone get banned outright.

                              Sometimes it is hard to keep emotions out of something that strikes dear or inflames your heart and your beliefs. This is why we have a very diverse set of Mods and Admins to create balance. Your comments help us to give you the experience you want on this board. If it's been done and tried - I'm sure we will let you know and explain the WHY we don't or do if it's not something already in the rules. Constructive criticism is always welcome. It creates a strong community and it feels good to know people care. Simply complaining for the sake of complaining does no good.

                              So I ask for those who may feel discontent:
                              -What can you do to make the board experience better for you?
                              -How would you change things and what do you think the outcome of those changes would be?
                              -How do you think the general morale of the board would run with your changes?
                              -How do you think you would better handle flame wars, political discussions, religious discussions - and every other "hot" topic that frequently turn into flame wars amongst a couple thousand people of all different ages, nationalities and races from across the globe?

                              Constructive discussion leads to better environments for all. I am open to such discussions.
                              If you are thinking to yourself, "Hmmm, should I post this?" it should probably go HERE.

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                              • #45
                                Wow. I guess I killed the thread.

                                Nobody has any suggestions from my post above? Questions to ask me? Rules that need further explaining? Nothing?
                                If you are thinking to yourself, "Hmmm, should I post this?" it should probably go HERE.

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