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Old 04-08-2007, 09:07 PM
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Angry SC offers to share his racist thoughts about "those people" with me (longish post)

As I've mentioned before, one of my two jobs is for a national shipping company. I work right in the center of my town. We usually get the snobby University of Delaware children coming in, but every so often we get a visit from a different sort of SC entirely.

I was working Friday afternoon at the counter when in comes this guy who looks to be in his early fifties: leather biker jacket, scraggly beard, various affiliation patches on said jacket, longish graying brown hair, and cane. He brought with him a laptop that he wanted to ship back to the manufacturer (a computer company with a Japanese name). So I begin to ask him the usual questions that we are meant to ask when someone brings in something that they want to ship (i.e., Have you ever shipped from here before? When would you like it to get there? etc, etc), and he hands me a slip of paper with return to shipper information on it. Then, out of the blue, he looks at me, and, in a confiding-from-one-old-hand-to-another tone of voice says, "Man, you don't want to know what I've been through with this piece of sh*t. I'm 'bout to lose my mind, talking on the phone all day long with those people. You know, the gooks."


I looked at him a bit stunned, and feeling as though I must have misheard him. "Excuse me?," I said, "what did you say?"

And he repeated it. Louder. Totally unashamed of his racism. Unashamed-and-almost-leaning-into-proud-of-it-territory. I immediately excused myself from his presence to go in the back room for a second or two to calm down, as this royally pissed me off. One of my bosses (the place is owned by two guys) sort of took over part of the transaction while I calmed down. And he (my boss) was just all smiles and chatty with the guy!

When the guy had left, several minutes later (after much very friendly small talk between him and my bosses and the packing up of his laptop) I asked my boss if I could talk with him for a moment. I wanted him to know that the reason for what probably seemed like a very abrupt change in my demeanor was because of how very offended I was by what the racist old asshat said. He looked at me a bit skeptically, and then proceeded to tell me that if I was going to be so sensitive to things like that, then I was probably not going to be real happy at work there because "we all joke around like that all the time - you're gonna hear way worse from us all the time."

Needless to say, maybe, but this upset my applecart even more and my whole "game" and mentality was off for most of the rest of my afternoon.

I didn’t even realize people even still used that horrid expression. But the very fact that the asshat grizzled customer thought I should be sympathetic to it was nauseating. I wanted to vomit.

On top of all that I'm now feeling ashamed that I was so afraid of potentially angering my boss that I didn’t stand up for what was right when the moment presented itself to me. Was I wrong to excuse myself in such a neutral fashion? I mean, I excused myself from his presence exactly one beat away from when he said what he said, so, I imagine he might have possibly had an inkling of some kind that he had just said something wrong. But I really feel low that I didn’t say, “You know what? What you just said was very offensive and I’m going to excuse myself now - perhaps someone else here can help you.” Is it all a matter of picking your battles when you can?

I find myself now hoping that there is a one-in-a-million chance I’ll run into that guy on the street in the next few days. Hoping that, maybe at the bus stop, or in the lobby of the supermarket, he’ll see me, remember me, and strike up a conversation. Hoping that when that happens, I’ll open my mouth instead of fearfully clamming shut and tell him what I really think of his racist attitudes.
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Old 04-09-2007, 02:51 AM
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Was I wrong to excuse myself in such a neutral fashion?
I think you were a little too shocked to think of an appropriate thing to say, and did what would do the least amount of damage. I've been in that position, too; you have my sympathy.

It is disgusting that people in this day and age still think it's acceptable to refer to others with bigoted terms. IIRC, the polite response to that is a stony look and a cold, "I beg your pardon?" Anyone with two functioning brain cells to rub together would then figure that his remark was inappropriate. Then again, if your boss and clientele think that way, I doubt they have two functioning brain cells between them!
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Old 04-09-2007, 03:54 AM
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{My Boss} looked at me a bit skeptically, and then proceeded to tell me that if I was going to be so sensitive to things like that, then I was probably not going to be real happy at work there because "we all joke around like that all the time - you're gonna hear way worse from us all the time."
You said these two guys own the store you work at - but are they held accountable to corporate? I'd be documenting anything and everything and going over their heads to HR because that is just not acceptable in the workplace in this day and age.

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Old 04-09-2007, 04:26 AM
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I know exactly how the OP feels. I was working Drive Thru one day and a guy pulled up and asked if I want to hear a joke. Then proceeds to say (without waiting for an answer) '(Arab Slurs) are proof that (Asian Slurs) and Chimpanzees can breed.' I was floored. He looks at me and says 'c'mon that was funny'. I said thhrough clenched teeth 'No sir it was not.' took his cash and then told my manager I needed time off from the window, spent the next five minutes in the freezer just screaming in rage.

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Old 04-09-2007, 05:05 AM
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One of the contributing factor of me getting 'let go' by Wonderbitch was I told them i wasn't comfortable with how they made fun of how asians talked(revealing I was half asian).

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Old 04-09-2007, 06:31 AM
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I would be more angry at my boss then at the customer. Because the customer does not deny being a racist at all. Your boss on the other had sees nothing wrong with what he said. You are not being oversensitive. We need everyone in this country to be as sensitive about other people as you are. That is what is wrong with this world people think its ok to judge people based on religion, sex, color, etc.... I would defiantly talk to someone higher up or talk to your boss again. What is he going to do fire you, because you do not tolerant other people's ignorant comments? If he does it will make a great news story. "Employee fired because they felt it was wrong to make a racial slur."

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Old 04-09-2007, 11:25 AM
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That reminds me of a couple of uncomfortable situations I was placed in. I work in a handbag store, and we also sell men's organisers AKA man bags... A few customers have came in and asked for 'poofter' bags. Should I have said something about it? Would it even help if we address sc's stupidity and ignorance? I'm still fuming about it now!

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Old 04-09-2007, 03:38 PM
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I am proud of growing up in a home that didn't tolerate racism in any form no matter what so i am not sure what 'gook' means or who it horribly applies to

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It is disgusting that people in this day and age still think it's acceptable to refer to others with bigoted terms.
I still can't believe that either. You'd think people would realize that it's 2007, and things like that shouldn't be tolerated
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Old 04-09-2007, 08:07 PM
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But I really feel low that I didn’t say, “You know what? What you just said was very offensive and I’m going to excuse myself now - perhaps someone else here can help you.” Is it all a matter of picking your battles when you can?

I find myself now hoping that there is a one-in-a-million chance I’ll run into that guy on the street in the next few days. Hoping that, maybe at the bus stop, or in the lobby of the supermarket, he’ll see me, remember me, and strike up a conversation. Hoping that when that happens, I’ll open my mouth instead of fearfully clamming shut and tell him what I really think of his racist attitudes.
Really, don't feel bad about what happened.

Here's a story: a year or two ago, I was on a bus when the guy next to me started trying to start up a conversation about Polish immigrants, how they ruin British culture with their funny language and steal our jobs, all the usual stereotypes, blah blah blah. (The best part? Earlier he'd been talking to another passenger about how he had been in the police for years and now he was retiring early and was going to move to Australia and not pay taxes any more. ) Anyway, I was in a filthy mood that day anyway, so I argued. I told him to STFU, that I wasn't interested in his nasty, offensive, hypocritical views, rah rah rah. And he argued back. He got really nasty, calling me all sorts of horrible names and shouting me down, and saying he couldn't possibly be a racist because his wife's cousin's husband's grandparents had died in Auschwitz, or something, and anyway I was a f***ing bitch and... you get the idea. Anyway, it was horrible.

But here's the thing. Me arguing with him clearly had no effect on his views, because he was a bigot and he liked being a bigot. And the end result was that he still got to have his rant about immigrants, and yell at a woman into the bargain. I came out of it feeling like crap, and he probably came out of it feeling smug, like he was right. If I hadn't argued with him I might have regretted it - but I regretted it when I did talk to him, too.

I guess what I'm saying is - you did the right thing in moving away from your SC, you can't change his views, and you don't need to feel you didn't do enough.

In terms of your workplace, though, I'd be wary of what your manager said. That's a situation where you can make a difference - by reporting inappropriate behaviour, language etc to corporate if you can, and by making it clear you won't stand for that kind of thing at work. Good luck.
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