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    Some of you know (most of you don't) that I work stage production for concerts and theatre. I've worked for some of the biggest bands in the world both on the local and and touring end. I worked mainly as a lighting designer but I was pretty well rounded in all areas from special effects to automation to carpentry... I was even a lead prop guy for a while (which I loved cause it was the easiest gig in theatre. I despise theatre so it made my life easier) and audio. I have a lot of stories that can fit into pretty much every forum on this site, but every time I start typing them out, I end up getting lost in other projects.

    Anyway, recently I "retired" from stagecraft. I no longer tour because I'm married and my wife says the next tour I go on better be my own and because physically, it was getting to be too much. Messed my back up from many years of trying to prove myself and now it's to the point where one day of work is a weeks worth of pain. Not worth putting myself in a wheelchair over. Plus, I learned that when you reach the top of the "corporate ladder" and you realize that if you jump off you will land fine on your feet, it's time to move on.

    Thus starts my new adventure. I figured this was the best time to really start working on my own music and get an album finished that I've been promising to people for years. While I do that though, to help with the family income, I've been coming up with ways to bring in some money using my recording studio. Essentially, I'm doing something that many hipsters would call "selling out". I've been moving into areas of the recording industry I had not considered going into before: mainly commercial voice over and music as well as my main focus which is voice acting in video games.

    I have entered into that fun filled world of self-contracting. I'm starting to get a first hand view of some of the comical-yet-not-so-comical things I've read by people such as Spark and Seraph who do a lot of commission type work. The first lesson I've learned in this is that perspective clients have a favourite word:

    FREE


    it seems the internet is full of bottom feeders. Not just people who are independent, starting their own projects on next to nothing. Even people who have put a decent amount of time or money into their work seem to think that others should be wanting to just donate their time and work to be part of their project because it's the "next big thing" or because "they didn't have enough money to pay someone".

    Luckily, I got my first big fish pretty quickly and will be doing both voice acting and scoring music for a video game coming out next year, but while I wait for that to get going, I've still been looking for other projects and casting my line into the sea in hopes of some decent catches.

    Wish me luck. I'm already headdesking at every turn.
    Getting offended is a great way to avoid answering questions that make you sound dumb. - exmocaptainmoroni

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    Good luck !! Keep us updated on your progress. Sounds like the beginning of an interesting journey.

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    • #3
      Or, as so many SCs will see it:



      Quoth Mystic View Post
      Blah blah blah, blah blah blah, I will do difficult sound work backed by years of experience...

      FREE



      Seriously, good luck Mystic. I'm sure we're all looking forward to the album too.

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      • #4
        Hahaha thanks to both of you.
        Getting offended is a great way to avoid answering questions that make you sound dumb. - exmocaptainmoroni

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        • #5
          sell out.

          v.

          1. to make money by any means other than "a real job"
          2. to make money while performing a job you enjoy

          n.

          3. term used by people who have yet to accomplish def.1 or 2

          ^_^

          You have the opportunity to do what you love and get paid for it. That is freakin' awesome! DOOOOO EEEEEEEET! And never mind what others might say.
          Last edited by EricKei; 07-08-2013, 01:43 PM.
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          • #6
            Quoth EricKei View Post


            You have the opportunity to do what you love and get paid for it. That is freakin' awesome! DOOOOO EEEEEEEET! And never mind what others might say.
            Seconded.

            This world is full of people who don't do what they really want b/c of those who give them 20 zillion reasons why they can't do something.

            Ignore them and do it anyway. You won't know if you can pull it off until you try.
            Human Resources - the adult version of "I'm telling Mom." - Agent Anthony "Tony" DiNozzo (NCIS)

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            • #7
              I've done a little video game voice work, it was a lot of fun! Especially when they ask you to record a bunch of "death noises" - "Okay now make a noise like you got stabbed in the back". Two hours of various screams, grunts, and groans.

              My almost-claim-to-fame was imitating the voice of "Mary Alice" for a Desperate Housewives video game - except guess who was the only actress from the series who signed on to voice the game after I'd recorded?

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              • #8
                I only saw the word "FREE". Where's my free stuff? I DEMAND MY FREE STUFF!

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                • #9
                  Quoth manybellsdown View Post
                  Especially when they ask you to record a bunch of "death noises" - "Okay now make a noise like you got stabbed in the back". Two hours of various screams, grunts, and groans.
                  I can't be the only one who's gotten funny looks from passersby while listening to battle noises with no other context. There was a video floating around awhile back of a certain VA recording battle grunts for an upcoming game, and Mr Jedi didn't know that's what it was. Awkwardness ensued.
                  I am no longer of capable of the emotion you humans call “compassion”. Though I can feign it in exchange for an hourly wage. (Gravekeeper)

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                  • #10
                    Quoth Mystic View Post
                    Essentially, I'm doing something that many hipsters would call "selling out".

                    ...


                    it seems the internet is full of bottom feeders

                    ...

                    [who] seem to think that others should be wanting to just donate their time and work to be part of their project because it's the "next big thing" or because "they didn't have enough money to pay someone".
                    I always thought 'selling out' was when one of the bottom feeders having leached community support for years for their 'vision' (or whatever) decides to suddenly turn around and ditch everything they and their fanboys have done up to that point in order to make the first easy buck that comes along.

                    Doesn't seem like you're doing that somehow

                    And good luck.

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                    • #11
                      2 things if you're doing any freelancing work:

                      1. Always get a signed contract. Even if you're working for free for family or a friend.
                      2. Check out this site. Not to shill for another site, but every freelancer should check it out. It's mostly amusing horror stories from website and/or graphic designers dealing with clients, but applies equally to anyone working freelance.
                      Aliterate : A person who is capable of reading but unwilling to do so.

                      "A man who does not read has no advantage over a man who cannot" - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Quoth manybellsdown View Post
                        I've done a little video game voice work, it was a lot of fun! Especially when they ask you to record a bunch of "death noises" - "Okay now make a noise like you got stabbed in the back". Two hours of various screams, grunts, and groans.

                        My almost-claim-to-fame was imitating the voice of "Mary Alice" for a Desperate Housewives video game - except guess who was the only actress from the series who signed on to voice the game after I'd recorded?
                        That is very cool. It's certainly one hell of a competitive business but there is a ton of opportunity. It's amazing how we've gone from these videogames with 8 bit noises to a full casting call for a totally scripted game. Still, it's a lot of fun and I'm really enjoying myself.

                        Quoth Lachrymose View Post
                        I only saw the word "FREE". Where's my free stuff? I DEMAND MY FREE STUFF!
                        Free cookies and milk will be in the post. I can't promise that they will be fresh by the time they arrive.

                        Quoth infinitemonkies View Post
                        2 things if you're doing any freelancing work:

                        1. Always get a signed contract. Even if you're working for free for family or a friend.
                        2. Check out this site. Not to shill for another site, but every freelancer should check it out. It's mostly amusing horror stories from website and/or graphic designers dealing with clients, but applies equally to anyone working freelance.
                        Indeed. I am actually getting a general contract made up by a local lawyer to cover my ass and my work though it seems like, at least for the bigger projects, the hiring company is the one who supplies the contract. Mind you, I'm talking about the EA's and Bethesda's there which will most likely be jobs gotten through my agent since you usually have to audition to get those anyway. For these smaller gigs though, especially radio commercials, I will most certainly need a contract.

                        And hell... a site with worse client stories than CS? I didn't think it possible. People make me sometimes.
                        Last edited by EricKei; 07-09-2013, 03:49 PM. Reason: Let the Three Become One!
                        Getting offended is a great way to avoid answering questions that make you sound dumb. - exmocaptainmoroni

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                        • #13
                          Sellout: An artist who thinks starving is too good for them.
                          - They say nothing good happens at 2AM, they're right, I happen at 2AM.

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                          • #14
                            Quoth Mystic
                            Free cookies and milk will be in the post. I can't promise that they will be fresh by the time they arrive.
                            ... It's been sitting on the radiator for 80 years ...
                            I am not an a**hole. I am a hemorrhoid. I irritate a**holes!
                            Procrastination: Forward planning to insure there is something to do tomorrow.
                            Derails threads faster than a pocket nuke.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Mystic View Post

                              And hell... a site with worse client stories than CS? I didn't think it possible. People make me sometimes.
                              I didn't say worse, only more focused to design/freelance work instead of customer service.

                              If you hook up with bethesda, see if you can get me Ron Perlman's autograph with the line "War... War never changes."
                              Aliterate : A person who is capable of reading but unwilling to do so.

                              "A man who does not read has no advantage over a man who cannot" - Mark Twain

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