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  • 1 + 1 + a bajillion = well...a bajillion-ish.

    Gather round, because oy vey it's been a fun time lately...and by fun I mean I might rather read the Twilight books or even watch the Emoji movie instead of going through this but hey. Beggars can't be choosers.

    Our story begins after being contacted by a company who acquires expensive antiques, and they were having a difficult time selling said antiques, with their current setup. They didn't exactly take the best pictures, and that was a HUGE source of their lack of sales. I mean, if you're going to be dropping a thousand or more on a product, you'd want to be able to see a nice, clear picture of it, right?

    And I mean, these were BAD pictures. They were taking them in a dim light, with an old 1.3MP phone. I had to clean up noise, brighten, bring the colors to what they actually were (which on rare occasions was a bit of a guessing game), and then clean up the background...as the "photographer" was prone to leaving their fingers or hair drooping into the picture.

    This is where I stepped in. I offered a certain rate, and to clean up their photos, at about 3-4 pictures completed an hour. Everything sounded great, they were exhilarated over the example picture and everything. I asked for the first batch of pictures, expecting something along the lines of 50 at the most.

    ...they sent 400.

    I confirmed with them about the number, and asked them to double check. They extra confirmed it, and stated that the first picture had already helped sell an item, so they knew this was going to be well worth it. I responded that I just wanted to make sure, as that was a LOT to work on, and that they needed to consider the time/money, based on working on the pictures.

    Sure enough, about 100~ pictures in, they noticed my time...and the invoice that was building, based on it. The owner promptly went nuclear. Demanded to stop the contract immediately, wanted a refund, etc etc.

    I calmly pointed out that I was not only doing exactly what I outlined in my job details, but that I had actually even managed to complete some pictures faster than the estimated time, so I was lower than expected on the budget. I also noted that many of the pictures I had edited and uploaded to the site -- the related products had sold shortly afterwards. They had been up on the site for a while, so it was pretty evident that my photo edits literally sold the item. And judging by the items' cost..they were still making quite the profit.

    That didn't matter. I got some very...venomous emails...and threats that they were going to leave bad reviews everywhere about me scamming people by charging more than I quoted. Annoyed, I actually did explain to them that it would be libelous to do so, and again pointed out that I had confirmed the number of images, the rate of work, and the cost of the work, before starting on these.

    The owner was "insulted" that I would even bring up the "accusation of libel", and went off on a rampage around their store, complaining about me to their entire staff.

    At this point, one of the staff decided to email me on the side. He confided to me that before the invoice, the owner had been jubilant over the success of the images, and had constantly talked about how the cost was well worth it. He noted that the owner was simply...well....bad at math. They were also a notorious cheapskate, and commonly used yelling as a tactic to try and get costs lowered on invoices from their contractors.

    Well, that sealed it. I wasn't going to deal with this, so I simply told the owner that if they were not happy about the cost of the work being done, that they could either reduce the amount of images they sent...or we could just close the contract, and bid each other farewell.

    After some more quibbling attempts (which I ignored), the owner pulled a "well I guess if you don't want our money, we'll close our account." I said sure, finalized the invoice, and removed the images I didn't work on yet.

    The most amusing part, is that I STILL get the occasional emails from the owner, asking if I'd be willing to touch up an image, or give them photography lessons. They always want it for free though, and get upset when I quote a price.
    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

    "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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    Arrgh. I never did understand the "I am going to go through life yelling and dishing out abuse because it helps me get my way" mentality.

    And it's always those people who make the stupidest decisions. For the number of items and their value, it probably would have made a lot more sense for this guy to just hire a good photographer and do a mass re-shoot of all of the items.

    It's like hiring a master cobbler to repair some cheap-ass sneakers from WalMart instead of just buying a decent pair of New Balance, and then thinking you can scream the master cobbler down to a fraction of her going rate for the repairs.

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    • #3
      Quoth wordgirl View Post
      It's like hiring a master cobbler to repair some cheap-ass sneakers from WalMart instead of just buying a decent pair of New Balance, and then thinking you can scream the master cobbler down to a fraction of her going rate for the repairs.
      Or like buying said cheapo sneakers and asking the cobbler to turn them into New Balance, then complaining when it costs more than purchasing the originals. Sounds like all they need to do is invest in a half-decent camera(phone) and attend a basic photography course to achieve the same results for significantly less - but that, of course, requires work on their part!

      Lovely to have you back Seraph, good to see you're still Queen of the Nutters! (Good for us, but unfortunately not for you.)
      This was one of those times where my mouth says "have a nice day" but my brain says "go step on a Lego". - RegisterAce
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      • #4
        Quoth wordgirl View Post
        Arrgh. I never did understand the "I am going to go through life yelling and dishing out abuse because it helps me get my way" mentality.
        Because they've had a certain level of "success" with it.
        Skilled programmers aren't cheap. Cheap programmers aren't skilled.

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        • #5
          Two things:

          1) Yay! Seraph's back! We missed you!

          2) Wow. I assume that this isn't a tiny operation that they're running, but how hard is it to hang a white tablecloth on the wall in a well lit place and use even a cheap point-and-shoot style camera to take a picture of the item? Also, hair and FINGERS in the photo? Really? Was a six year old in charge of their photography?
          Note to self: Hot glass looks like Cold glass.

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          • #6
            Quoth apocolypse101 View Post
            Two things:

            1) Yay! Seraph's back! We missed you!

            2) Wow. I assume that this isn't a tiny operation that they're running, but how hard is it to hang a white tablecloth on the wall in a well lit place and use even a cheap point-and-shoot style camera to take a picture of the item? Also, hair and FINGERS in the photo? Really? Was a six year old in charge of their photography?
            Some people really do know fuck all about photography. Also, I'd imagine her cheapskated-ness is why she had such a shitty camera in the first place. Probably doesn't want to upgrade her phone or get a better plan or invest in a decent camera so she just sticks it out with what she's got.

            Excellent to hear that Seraph had a contract. That's my number one rule of doing work on the side, I don't care if you're my best friend or someone I just met. I'm not lifting a finger until I have a signed deal in my hand.
            "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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            • #7
              Wow. Selling stuff that they couldn't move before and he decided that it was costing too much. Talk about slapping a laser sight on his gun so he is sure not to miss his foot.

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              • #8
                Seraph's back! Hooray!

                ...Seraph's back. Oh dear.
                PWNADE(TM) - Serve up a glass today! | PWNZER - An act of pwnage so awesome, it's like the victim got hit by a tank.

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                • #9
                  Quoth apocolypse101 View Post
                  1) Yay! Seraph's back! We missed you!
                  Glad to see normalcy has not vanquished its enemy.
                  I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up my keister!

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                  -Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

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                  • #10
                    Quoth RealUnimportant View Post
                    Lovely to have you back Seraph, good to see you're still Queen of the Nutters! (Good for us, but unfortunately not for you.)
                    Quoth apocolypse101 View Post
                    1) Yay! Seraph's back! We missed you!
                    Quoth Jay 2K Winger View Post
                    Seraph's back! Hooray!

                    ...Seraph's back. Oh dear.
                    Quoth taxguykarl View Post
                    Glad to see normalcy has not vanquished its enemy.
                    ...I had more expected a "oh god we were happy and now you're back", but this is okay.

                    But yes, I had a crazy year, culminating in me almost dying, but hey I live. I am apparently tough to kill off. Unfortunately for the world.

                    Quoth apocolypse101 View Post
                    2) Wow. I assume that this isn't a tiny operation that they're running, but how hard is it to hang a white tablecloth on the wall in a well lit place and use even a cheap point-and-shoot style camera to take a picture of the item? Also, hair and FINGERS in the photo? Really? Was a six year old in charge of their photography?
                    Small business, but not really small. Big enough that they knew better.
                    By popular request....I am now officially the Enemy of Normalcy.

                    "What is unobtainium? To Seraph, it's a normal client. :P" -- Observant Friend

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                    • #11
                      Quoth Seraph View Post
                      ...culminating in me almost dying...
                      Well, that's not good. Ok, the "almost" part makes it a good deal better, but we need our "Enemy of Normalcy."
                      "If your day is filled with firefighting, you need to start taking the matches away from the toddlers…” - HM

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                      • #12
                        Quoth apocolypse101 View Post

                        2) Wow. I assume that this isn't a tiny operation that they're running, but how hard is it to hang a white tablecloth on the wall in a well lit place and use even a cheap point-and-shoot style camera to take a picture of the item?
                        Part of my job (BTW hi Seraph I no longer work at the swamp! ) can include taking pictures of defect conditions on the parts we make, so they can be used as visual aids when the parts are sorted or reworked. Last time I had to do this, it took me about eight tries to get a clear photo. I just can't hold the camera steady enough; we really need a tripod.
                        Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

                        "I never said I wasn't a horrible person."--Me, almost daily

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                        • #13
                          Seraph! Welcome back! We'll have a cart or two of chocolates brought for you. Guaranteed to be no less than 75 Proof.

                          As for J2K's comment -- I think you just found a new sig and/or mantra x.x

                          IPF - I can share the best advice I ever got from my newspaper days. If you want ONE good picture, take a hundred. Even in tiny weeklies in small towns (read: where I used to work), an article with 3 good pics in it means the photog took -- at absolute minimum -- 50-70 pics of each (thank goodness for SD cards!) in a few seconds in order to get the one shot they really wanted, and usually more. Hell, one of our guys did that for one otherwise innocuous "filler" pic when he was covering a rescue mission; the result was him winning newspaper pic of the year for the state.

                          PS For those of you using "burst mode" pics on phones (read: holding the shutter "button" down) -- Use at your own risk. It's often better to manually tap the icon/button, in my experience.
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                          • #14
                            I tend to get a bad case of the shakes when I'm trying to take pictures, so I take several. I also came by my inability to take decent pictures honestly; in going through a bunch of family pictures recently I found a bunch of blurry vacations pictures, which looked like the Columbia River as seen through the eyes of my my late aunt who had left her glasses at home, and one taken circa 1932 of my paternal grandfather in Washington D.C. complete with a thumb that I assume belonged to my grandmother.

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Irving Patrick Freleigh View Post
                              Part of my job (BTW hi Seraph I no longer work at the swamp! ) can include taking pictures of defect conditions on the parts we make, so they can be used as visual aids when the parts are sorted or reworked. Last time I had to do this, it took me about eight tries to get a clear photo. I just can't hold the camera steady enough; we really need a tripod.
                              Quoth Sparklyturtle View Post
                              I tend to get a bad case of the shakes when I'm trying to take pictures, so I take several. I also came by my inability to take decent pictures honestly; in going through a bunch of family pictures recently I found a bunch of blurry vacations pictures, which looked like the Columbia River as seen through the eyes of my my late aunt who had left her glasses at home, and one taken circa 1932 of my paternal grandfather in Washington D.C. complete with a thumb that I assume belonged to my grandmother.
                              I get this, and how it takes a ton of tries to get the one photo you want, it's just that it sounded like they weren't even trying to do a good job.
                              Note to self: Hot glass looks like Cold glass.

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