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  • I said what?! (pretty dang long)

    For the record, I don't work in retail. I teach. That said, the crap my students (at a junior college and a technical college) try to pull on me is identical to the crap they try to pull on everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me at all if my little collection of entitlement whores, idiots, mongrels, mouth breathers, and whiners were in many cases one and the same with your collection of same.

    Anyway, this one is recent, and one of my favorites from teaching OR my years in retail. This happened less than two weeks ago.

    New quarters starts. I show up on the first day, ready for another round of classes. As I'm preparing for my first one, the student dean leans out of her office and asks me to step in a close the door.

    Now, I'm a touch worried. I'm new at this school, so I'm trying to be very careful and not piss off the administration. So, door closed, the dean asks, "What can you tell me about <student>? (At this point, <student> will be referred to by the appropriate name Dickweed Mommasboy.)

    I sigh deeply. Dickweed Mommasboy had been enrolled in two of my classes the last quarter--English composition and speech. In speech, by the middle of the quarter, he dropped after giving all of 0 speeches. He flatly refused to give a speech in a speech class. In the composition class, he showed up maybe 5 times over the course of the quarter--21 classes. He failed so spectacularly that he left scorch marks on my gradebook. This I relate to my dean.

    The dean says, "Well, his mother called. She said that when Dickweed told you a friend of his had died in an accident, you said, 'People die every day. Suck it up.' After that, he was uncomfortable coming to your class."

    Now, I'm a nice guy. I like most of my students. I work with them. If something bad happens to them, I work with them to help them pass. One of my students, for instance, had her mother die during the quarter. She made up the work (no late penalties for turning stuff in weeks after because of what happened) and passed. Another student had a baby. She got an incomplete (baby was born right before the end of the quarter) and made up the work and passed. In fact, my own mother-in-law died during the quarter after a protracted illness. I was (and am) pretty sensitive to this sort of thing and will always work something out to help a student through a tough incident.

    My response to the dean was, "No, I told him to take the time he needed and then make up the work when he could." Then I remembered--we fill out grade reports four times every quarter--week 3, week 5, week 8, and at the end. Dickweed was listed as a problem student--inattentive, uncooperative, and not attending--from the start. I had adequately covered my butt with those grade reports. I mentioned this--that Dickweed was a problem from day 1 in both classes.

    The dean said, "Yeah, I didn't think that sounded like you."

    My dean rocks. That student? Not so much. The best part is that he's currently enrolled in a class taught by a friend. After two weeks, he's shown up to that class once. Mommy might have to call again
    Enjoy my latest stupid quest for immortality. http://1001plus.blogspot.com/

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    Ya and Momma's most likely paying for DM to go to school. He is not going to care what he does and then get Attack Momma to go SC on the school when PREWWWESSSIous DM feels he is not up to his own low standards as far as grades.

    "like I showed for class a few times. that should count for at least a B"

    It just makes me mad that when I was in school paying for classes myself working my butt off there were some who were there just to be there (maybe) having things PAID for and just wanted to slide by.

    ETA: and people wondered WHY they still took ATTENDENCE IN COLLEGE/post secondary schools/tech schools??? hey you got that scholorship or grant or loan and whomever wants to MAKE SURE you are there and using the $$$$ not pissing away someone elses money
    Last edited by Racket_Man; 10-16-2008, 04:52 PM.
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    • #3
      Epic post. I absolutely_despise_ helicopter parental units. Makes we wish for an AA gun!

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      • #4
        Somewhat along those lines....I knew plenty of people like that in college. They'd never show up for class or do the work...and then would bitch when their professor failed them. Usually, their bitching consisted of "Professor is an asshole because he failed me."

        Uh, sorry dumbass. *You* didn't go to class. *You* didn't do the work. *You* didn't study. Tell me again how it's the professor's fault?
        Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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        • #5
          A lot of my classes didn't bother to take attendance. If you didn't show up except for the tests, you were probably going to fail anyway, so that was your OWN fault.

          And the teachers figured that you were just wasting your own money that way. (Most folk at my college were paying for themselves).
          "For the love of all that is holy and 4 things that aren’t but feel pretty good anyway" ~ Gravekeeper

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          • #6
            Makes me remember why I decided not to go into teaching (I have a teaching degree...but have never been a full fledged teacher). Student teaching was an absoloutle nightmare. Not my cooperating teachers...not the students...but the parents. I once had a parent offer to pay me $100 if I gave her son a D. Yup...thats right...a $100 D. I told her no, and her son ended up sitting on the bench for the basketball season. My cooperating teacher stood by my decision.
            "I hope we never lose sight of one thing, it was all started by a mouse" --Walt Disney

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            • #7
              You know, I just love stories of students learning the differences between high school and college. College professors and administrators don't give a damn about your passing or not if you're not putting in the effort for their classes. And as long as they are making a fair attempt at getting the information accross, they are perfectly within their rights to fail an entire class if they deserve it.

              My favorite professors were the ones that said on day one: "I don't grade on a curve, and we will stick to the schedule barring an act of God. Here's the syllabus with all the required reading and assignments." You knew you were going to learn something in that class if you paid attention and did the work.


              Not saying there aren't some bad professors out there. There are. But a college or university's good name lives or dies on the people they graduate (unless they have a televised football team ). They want to make sure you don't make some one think, "<so and so> University must be pretty crappy if thisis the kind of person they give a diploma to."
              The Rich keep getting richer because they keep doing what it was that made them rich. Ditto the Poor.
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              • #8
                My cooperating teacher stood by my decision.
                Dang you're lucky.
                I know of two women who quit their teaching jobs because the schools wouldn't let them fail any students...

                in both cases the students in question were "earning" their failing grades. they weren't doing their homework, assignments, or even studying. One of the women was even physically threatened by one of the fathers after school.

                but in the end, the school boards stepped in and ordered them to pass the failing students anyway.

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                • #9
                  Wait, you were teaching one of my exes?!

                  The guy I was dating before I met the hubby acted the exact same way. He barely graduated high school. The only reason he got his diploma was because our psych teacher gave him a D out of pity. This was after he failed the final and said some rather ungentlemanly things about the teacher behind his back.

                  Then he went to college. The only reason he went was because I was going to college and he was scared of losing me. And I had to do a lot of the footwork to get him all the grants and stuff that let him go.

                  Then he fully expected our "study sessions" to become "makeout sessions" and got pissed because I insisted that we concentrate on schoolwork. (Hey, you asked me to help you with your homework, douchebag. Swapping spit is not going to help you grasp quadratic equations.)

                  Eventually, I broke up with him and heard from my mom that he was skipping out on class, not turning in assignments, and basically pissing away his grant money. Then he called me up at the end of the semester to tell me that he flunked all his classes. From his tone, I could tell that he blamed everyone but himself, with me being the worst offender in his eyes because I didn't stay with him and "help" him.
                  A smile is just a grimace that's been edited for public consumption. -- Tony Cochran

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                  • #10
                    That type of college student makes me want to spit fire

                    I actually have 2 classes that grade on attendance. It's really lame but hell, easy points. Of course people still pass on the easy points.

                    As a college student who's only able to go to school becuase of a scholarship, I get pissy at my fellow students a lot. Funny thing is the ones that don't work hard try to convince me that I'm working to hard. Um, I need to keep a 3.3 GPA or else not go to college. I can't blow off studying to get drunk and play guitar hero. No, I don't think staying up till 2am is reasonable. Leave this nerd be, please!

                    It's not the grant and scholarship kids wasting their education; it's the spoiled pwesh-ous that mumzy and dadzy are giving a free ride.

                    Your dean rocks. Seriously. Oh and you deserve a cookie for being a reasonable teacher.
                    The worst is not,
                    So long as we can say, 'This is the worst.' (King Lear IV.1)

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                    • #11
                      In six years of teaching at three different schools (including one major Midwestern university as a grad assistant), I have discovered that 10-15% of all students in general are exactly this type. In six years, I've only ever had one class in which everyone passed, and a student has to really want to fail to fail in my class.

                      One of my policies, for instance, is that if you aren't happy with a grade on a paper, you can revise it and resubmit it again up until the end of the semester, provided it was turned in on time originally (with no guarantee of a better grade). A paper was due in class today. One third of the class was not there to turn it in--7 out of 21 people did not show up (although one did have a legitimate excuse). Seriously--they could turn in complete garbage, get a crap grade on it, then revise it for a better grade later, essentially with no penalty. I tell them this. Do they listen? No. Frakin' ridiculous.
                      Enjoy my latest stupid quest for immortality. http://1001plus.blogspot.com/

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                      • #12
                        Thanks to No Child Left Behind, more and more kids will be expecting a free pass when they get to college. Thank god that won't happen.
                        "If we refund your money, give you a free replacement and shoot the manager, then will you be happy?" - sign seen in a restaurant

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                        • #13
                          Jeez, what a typical moron... I work in academia and I cannot count the number of parents have called about grades, classes, and admissions. And I work with GRAD students. They're all over freaking 21!!!

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                          • #14
                            Quoth PepperElf View Post
                            Dang you're lucky.
                            I know of two women who quit their teaching jobs because the schools wouldn't let them fail any students...

                            in both cases the students in question were "earning" their failing grades. they weren't doing their homework, assignments, or even studying. One of the women was even physically threatened by one of the fathers after school.

                            but in the end, the school boards stepped in and ordered them to pass the failing students anyway.
                            my mom is a teacher (you know her, she sometimes posts in my name spells correctly and talk about her middleschoolers)
                            she told me about a teacher who submitted his quater grades.
                            He had 4 Cs, 4 Ds, And 15 Fs.
                            My mom though he should at least let the 8 kids not failling to have a higher grades (Bs and Cs, no highest C then Ds)
                            I said if they want to past they should do the work, the only way i think he sucks is if he had one of those C be a 77.SOMETHING or higher because then he just should of said they had a B.
                            my mom rarely has people fail in her class. but shes a good teacher.
                            and she make you sing.
                            thats right every one of her biology classes/college prep classes(not not A+ students, C students with no college background) have to write songs, make up raps and sing in class. with motions.
                            omg the water cycle... the water cycle....


                            and again i want to point out sometimes teachers are just idiots and fail you no matter what.
                            Again i 'failed' 8th grade math because i only did about 10% of my homework, but got the best grades on every test and corrected the teacher....

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                            • #15
                              Quoth Geek King View Post


                              My favorite professors were the ones that said on day one: "I don't grade on a curve, and we will stick to the schedule barring an act of God. Here's the syllabus with all the required reading and assignments." You knew you were going to learn something in that class if you paid attention and did the work.
                              My political sci prof and my intro to con law prof were like that, I loved it. I am the type that will read through a textbook and work on the problems on my own even if we hadnt gotten that far ... I think we had a 30% fail rate in both classes from idiots blowing off studying and attending class. In con law they hated having me in the study group because I wouldnt share my notes with the idiots who consistantly blew off class. I would happily share my notes with people who were out once or twice sick or because of family issues [one guy's mom was in a serious car accident and we weren't sure if she was going to live, but she did... and he made up all the class work and passed]

                              I have something of an attitude towards people who want everything handed to them ... I work for what I have, nobody handed me anything.
                              EVE Online: 99% of the time you sit around waiting for something to happen, but that 1% of action is what hooks people like crack, you don't get interviewed by the BBC for a WoW raid.

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