Return of the Attacker (Epic and Humanity Crushing)

[customersruinmylife]

I won't get into what the laws are like in the UK regarding repeat offenders, as my opinion would close this thread down

I have a tiny bit more information. I popped into the pub last night and spoke to the manager who was on during the fight. He told me that seconds before TC's girlfriend was knocked out, she was jumping on the doormans back, clawing at his face and screeching "Don't touch maaaa man!" so he wasn't feeling much sympathy for her.

[skeptic53]

Vague memory that UK law has some category for repeat offenders, Anti Social something something, usually abbreviated.... can't recall enough to dredge it out of Google. Is it just for juveniles?

Astounding this person can repeatedly get drunk and beat people up, even more astounding that he has any friends, most astounding he has a girlfriend... very disheartening.

Your pub appears to be the biggest wacko magnet imaginable. People repeatedly wanting in before you're open, bringing dogs, bringing babies, wanting a moat of empty tables surrounding them, wanting food when the kitchen is closed, wanting to seat unreserved large parties all together on the busiest nights of the week, wanting to celebrate their wedding reception without a reservation, complaining of cold food they have ignored for a long time, creating all sorts of riots and disturbances, and more.

You need to start negotiating for your own reality TV show.

[Chromatix]

The ASBO (Anti Social Behaviour Order) is meant for relatively minor (eg. shoplifting, drunk & disorderly, breach of the peace, etc) offences, where a conventional warning has not been heeded. It is really a form of probation, meant to keep offenders away from opportunities to offend, while also keeping them out of prison. If the ASBO doesn't work, the offender then gets a conventional sentence - possibly including a component related to breaching the ASBO.

This however sounds like a repeat offender on a more serious type of offence. I don't think an ASBO would be used here - rather the previous offences would be taken into account during sentencing.

That is, however, only if the case gets that far. In the UK, criminal cases are brought by the Crown Prosecution Service, which makes a decision on whether to prosecute or not. They will only prosecute if they have a solid chance of securing a conviction. And the first thing they need to prove in court is that the offence in fact took place.

That's why victims are asked if they are willing to stand up in court and help with that process - every such witness who is *not* willing to so do hurts the case, and may result in it not being brought at all. Serving police officers tend to express huge amounts of frustration when a victim of domestic violence retracts their complaint, as so often happens.

[emax4]

Why doesn't the bar owner keep a firearm handy for situations like this?

[NorthernZel]

Why doesn't the bar owner keep a firearm handy for situations like this?

My guess is that it'd be illegal according to UK laws.

[Gizmo]

Why doesn't the bar owner keep a firearm handy for situations like this?

Illegal. Would get them shutdown very quickly. We even have to license the bouncers over here and I'm not sure they are even allowed anything - not even a nightstick.

Keep safe CRML.

[Seraph]

Holy. Mother. Just...wow.

customersruinmylife? If you're ever in my area, homemade dinner by me. Seriously. Major props.

[lineswine]

CRML, are you all right mate? I'm just asking, simply because I can't do with the likes of TC doing anything to good people like you.
I sincerely hope he gets the long sentence that he's worked so hard for & that your bouncers don't EVER let him in again!

[customersruinmylife]

CRML, are you all right mate? I'm just asking, simply because I can't do with the likes of TC doing anything to good people like you.
I sincerely hope he gets the long sentence that he's worked so hard for & that your bouncers don't EVER let him in again!

Yeah I'm absolutely fine. It was just a face that I never expected to see ever again in my workplace. It goes to show how fucking mind numbingly stupid this guy is by walking into the place he tried to rob and attacked a member of staff. Because of this I doubt it's the last I've seen of him.

[EricKei]

Pagan - my comment was directed at Peace ^_^

Because of this I doubt it's the last I've seen of him.

Agreed >_> I suppose all you can do is make sure that everyone who works at the place (especially new bouncers) knows about him. Do your managers have a wall of shame/pictures of banned people?

[PepperElf]

Seems like he'll be in jail a lot longer this time. He plead guilty last time, so adjudification is attached to his prior crime. That will allow the battery charges to be used against him in this new battery case. I'm not sure how it works in your state, but I believe that three battery charges automatically equal a felony.

hopefully. in the last case he already had a criminal past IIRC...

Although "felony" ... IIRC there's no distinction between "misdemeanor" and "felony" there. tho i could be wrong.

[customersruinmylife]

Do your managers have a wall of shame/pictures of banned people?

It's a funny and sad story. The police regularly send us lists of people who are "banned" from all pubs in the area. That's all very well and good but they never attach any pictures! They then get angry when these people are spotted in pubs in the area.

[suburbandecay]

It's a funny and sad story. The police regularly send us lists of people who are "banned" from all pubs in the area. That's all very well and good but they never attach any pictures! They then get angry when these people are spotted in pubs in the area.

If mugshots are public record over there, it might be time to start your own wall of shame (book of shame depending on level of shame/amount of offenders) .

[Pixilated]

Sounds like a good idea -- even if the mugshots can't be displayed in the public area, at least they should be displayed where the staff can see them.

I'm generally sympathetic towards cops, whose job usually means they see humanity at its worst, but what exactly is a list without photos supposed to do?? It's not like these people walk in and introduce themselves and then run amok.

[Jetfire]

Holy. Mother. Just...wow.

customersruinmylife? If you're ever in my area, homemade dinner by me. Seriously. Major props.

Homemade dinner would probably be the safest. Your anti-noramlity field combined with CRLM's would probably create a singularity of craziness that would promptly call Gravedigger asking for camo-pants.

Just keep Lupo away or things might really get weird.

CRLM: Glad things worked out in the end, for you and your coworkers at least.

Hopefully that idiot will get what he's overdue. And your pub really should press charges for the event if you can.