Dude, where’s my car – Long, Epic, Ongoing

[Soulstealer]

I'm not sure how this can be 'negotiated', I was under the impression either you come in or find yourself in contempt...

Arrests work differently depending on jurisdiction and legal system. For example an official arrest in Sweden is done quite late in the legal process compared to the American system. You still have the trial, questioning, etc. but the details on how it's done aren't exactly the same everywhere.

It also depends on the criminal charges that are being filed. More serious crimes (e.g. violent ones) there's less negotiating before hand than white collar crimes such as insurance fraud.

[eltf177]

However he (or rather his 'Super (expensive) lawyer) is 'negotiating' with the police about coming in for an interview....

I'm not sure how this can be 'negotiated', I was under the impression either you come in or find yourself in contempt...

[Kittish]

Which looks oh so good for his case. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if Super (expensive) Lawyer turns out to be, at best, two out of three.

[TimmyHate]

The wheels of justice move slow.

Turns out Mr Wheresmycar is pushing back against being interview by the boys in blue. Also turns out he's economical in the truth in a number of ways...such as his fathers job with said thin blue line...

However he (or rather his 'Super (expensive) lawyer) is 'negotiating' with the police about coming in for an interview....

[eltf177]

Anything new to report?

[Gilhelmi]

The US is alot like the EU in some ways. Over 50 states and territories, and over 50 laws regarding unemployment. Everything is different from state to state.

[RealUnimportant]

I think there's some confusion. In the states, you typically can only be eligible for unemployment if you lose your job without cause. This means under no fault of your own. So, if you were laid off, the company went out of business, or something else happened that was beyond your control, then you can apply for unemployment benefits.

If you quit, or lost your job WITH cause (usually after three documented write-ups where you made a mistake or did something wrong), then you are not eligible for those benefits, and you must apply for some other benefit like welfare.

Ah right. Well, I've been fired for multiple reasons & none of them have affected my right to claim. As I say, you're never guaranteed to get benefit anyway but I've no personal experience of a firing so powerful that it also denied me the benefits that usually accompanied it.

Unlike in the US, benefits have nothing to do with the company you've left; this may have some significant bearing on the matter. I've been encouraged to quit, certainly, and in such a situation I would have been automatically ineligible for benefit unless I could later prove it was "constructive dismissal" - and that road's a hard one to take. In fact once I did quit because it was an unbearable situation, and I didn't get unemployment but I did get a different benefit that helped a little.

[thehuckster]

In the UK, you can ONLY apply if you're fired for cause; doesn't mean you'll get it, of course, but being made jobless without any choice or say in the matter is essential. If you quit, you have to survive for 6 months unless you qualify for any other benefit in the meantime, and they're usually less than useless when it comes to covering even the most basic expenses.

I think there's some confusion. In the states, you typically can only be eligible for unemployment if you lose your job without cause. This means under no fault of your own. So, if you were laid off, the company went out of business, or something else happened that was beyond your control, then you can apply for unemployment benefits.

If you quit, or lost your job WITH cause (usually after three documented write-ups where you made a mistake or did something wrong), then you are not eligible for those benefits, and you must apply for some other benefit like welfare.

[RealUnimportant]

Applying for the benefit . . . does that mean unemployment? Can you do that in the UK if you're fired for cause?

In the UK, you can ONLY apply if you're fired for cause; doesn't mean you'll get it, of course, but being made jobless without any choice or say in the matter is essential. If you quit, you have to survive for 6 months unless you qualify for any other benefit in the meantime, and they're usually less than useless when it comes to covering even the most basic expenses.

[Akasa]

A quite satisfying update. Thank you!

[Javarod]

Yep, it used to be called the "unemployment benefit" but now it's "Job Seeker Support" (blech). OP is in NZ like me

My understanding is after you leave paid employment, you're put on a 13-week stand-down before receiving payments (unless you can prove hardship). Whether you were fired or quit doesn't majorly impact this. Maybe you have to wait longer?

I would guess that any application for benefits is going to be looked at extra close, and prolly subject to frequent audits since i doubt they can ban him outright. That's assuming there was no financial fraud here (i haven't followed the thread closely, this was an attempt, right?), then they might be able to dock him that before he sees payment.

[rose_metal_nz]

Applying for the benefit . . . does that mean unemployment? Can you do that in the UK if you're fired for cause?

Yep, it used to be called the "unemployment benefit" but now it's "Job Seeker Support" (blech). OP is in NZ like me

My understanding is after you leave paid employment, you're put on a 13-week stand-down before receiving payments (unless you can prove hardship). Whether you were fired or quit doesn't majorly impact this. Maybe you have to wait longer?

[TimmyHate]

Applying for the benefit . . . does that mean unemployment? Can you do that in the UK if you're fired for cause?

Yeah the benefit is unemployment. I've never really looked into the rules around being fired etc in NZ - did a quick google:

If you have quit your job because you simply don't want to work there any more (or because you were fired for misconduct), there may be a 13 week stand-down period before you start receiving payments (there are exceptions).

[Sapphire Silk]

Applying for the benefit . . . does that mean unemployment? Can you do that in the UK if you're fired for cause?

[TimmyHate]

How can he sell a car that was stolen? Or is he complaining your offer was too low? And one-sided? Only because he sent up so many red flags it was pathetic!

Thats the core of it, he was telling us that he had offers of $15k-$16k and chose not to sell (basically trying to push our offer up). He'd said on the auction (pre "theft") that he'd take $9990.

My suspicion (supported by the banking information we recieved) is that he knew he owed around $10k to the finance company but had told his bank he was getting a settlemet - and told them he'd pay them around $4k....