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CSR Kim
06-12-2007, 05:01 PM
I have a card with Zales, which Scott and I used to purchase my wedding set and his wedding ring. Normally, I make my payments online, but for some reason at the end of April, I decided to make a cash payment of $50 in the store. Now, several years ago I had another Zales card that I never used, but I closed that when I consolidated my debt last Spring. So, I opened this new one. In their system, though, when they pull up my name, it pulls up both accounts. When I made the payment, it got posted to the account that is closed.

About a week into May, I get a call from the collections dept. saying my account is past due. Of course, I know better, and say yes, I did make a payment. Collections says I have to call the Zales side of customer service, because she can't help me. So I call them, and determine that yes, my $50 was posted to the wrong account. Originally the girl in collections said that I would have to fax a copy of my receipt to them to resolve this. Well, the gentleman on the Zales side said that, since he can see the other account and see the posted payment, that all he has to do is put in a request to have the payment transferred over, which he says he does. Awesome, I think everything is resolved, and I go on my merry way.

I guess shame on me for not checking my account, but at the middle of May I paid what would have been my normal payment of $50, thinking everything was in order. End of May, I get another call saying my account is still past due. I'm a little annoyed at this point, but I explain to the girl in collections what happened, including the resolution w/ the Zales CSR. Collections girl tells me, "I'm sorry you were told that this would fix the problem, but you have to fax us a copy of your receipt." Which just really annoys me, because I would have gladly done that in the first place, but was told I didn't have to. So I say, fine, I'll do it. I have to go get a copy of the receipt printed out from Zales and then fax it over to them, which I do. I'm also worried that, in the meantime, my account is going to be reported to the credit bureau (according to collections girl, I am 17 days past due, and it can take 7-10 to process the credit once I fax my receipt).

About a week passes, and I get a letter in the mail confirming that my correct account was credited the $50 payment from April. I call and confirm that this was done, as well as confirmed that they received my payment for May. At no time did this rep say that I still owed anything for the end of May.

Cut to yesterday.

I receive a call from their collections dept, advising me that I currently owe $115 with a past due amount of $31. I am pissed. I recap the story for the CSR, who then tells me she can't help me, and that I have to call their customer service dept. So I call them, tell the story again to the poor guy who answered the phone (my voice, at this point, was not friendly at all I am sorry to say). I find out that they never credited my late fee, which he says he'll do for me. He says that "might" count as payment for the past due amount. He puts me on hold, comes back, and says that unfortunately it didn't show as a payment, just a credit, and that I still have to pay the $115. I say, but I have never been late with a payment. The only reason there was a late fee was because the store made a mistake. He says he'll check with a supervisor, and puts me on hold. Comes back, says there's nothing they can do because of a federal law (if someone had more info on this, please advise me, because this sounded weird to me) that requires that if a late fee is applied to the account, then the minimum amount due goes up, and that there's no way around it. I don't know if I turned into a SC. I didn't make demands, but my voice very clearly indicated I was upset. And I asked to speak to a supervisor, please.

Get on the phone w/ the supervisor, recapped the situation for him, and he explained again that because of this federal law, I have to pay the $115. He says he can't go any further with my account until at least the past due amount of $31 is paid. Now, I am just upset, and feeling a little emotional, because money is very tight right now. We're getting married in 17 days, and every dime for bills, etc. is spoken for. I can pay the $50 that is normally due, but there is no way I will have the $65 that remains. I tell that to the supervisor. I also say, "So, basically, I have to pay for the mistake that this store associate made?" He says, "Unfortunately, yes." He says, if I can come up with the $31, he can "see what he can do" but can't make any promises. At this point, I tell him I don't know what I can do, and maybe I will call him back if I can figure something out, and I hang up.

I get off the phone and just burst into tears because I am so angry and frustrated at this situation. Everyone I talked to can acknowledge the fact that this was not MY mistake, but yet, there's nothing they can do, and I have to pay money I don't have for it.

As it turns out, I explained the situation to my mom, and she offered to pay the $115 for me (omg, my mom is so awesome, she's done so much for me and Scott lately). So she calls them up, and pays over the phone, and all is well. Next month my payments will go back to "normal".

My question for you guys is this: I want to write Zales a letter expressing my unhappiness at the way this situation was handled. I just don't know if I should. I don't want anything. I don't even care about this card, and plan on cancelling it this week. I was going to buy a necklace to wear when I get married, but now I'm not, after everything that's happened. I just don't want to come off sounding like an SC. Should I just let it go, or should I give them feedback on this?

Sorry for the really long post!!


6/19 Update:

I sent my letter through zales.com, and less than 24 hours later a "customer care specialist" from the credit department called me while I was at work yesterday. I called her back today. This lady sounded like she could talk down terrorists for a living, her voice was so...nice. It was kind of creepy. Anyway, after a bit of talking, she addressed the part of my letter where I wanted the extra $65 I paid to be applied to July's bill. She had absolutely no problem doing that for me. She said she'll watch my account and take care of it after the billing cycle closes. Needless to say, I was very pleased. She was very apologetic and understanding of the situation. So...yay! Good things can happen.

blas
06-12-2007, 05:04 PM
You should not pay for someone else's mistake. Period.

Write that letter/e-mail. Fight it. Just stay professional and not be an SC, even though I can understand how you'd want to be!

MystyGlyttyr
06-12-2007, 05:34 PM
For lack of a less-crude way to put this, you're getting dicked around. THEY messed up and they're demanding you pay for it. It's not quite extortion but I can't come up with a better noun.

Further, after doing a bit of hunting, I can find no law even remotely stating that a private business HAS to charge anything in particular (maybe with credit cards, but even that I wonder about), otherwise, no one would EVER get their account credited, get past due fees waived, or a million other adjustments that people on this board have done before. Quite honestly, if someone had said that to me, I'd have called bullshit on them right then and there and demanded to know the name, rank, and serial number on that law.

They're lying, they're misleading you, they could be damaging your credit, and they're completely in the wrong, and at the very LEAST, I would cart their butts to small claims court. Because for me, regardless of money, this WOULD be "the principle of the matter" because who knows how many other people they're trying to scam this way? They blantently admitted their error and are still trying to force you to pay for it. THAT IS SO WRONG.

CSR Kim
06-12-2007, 05:41 PM
When I got off the phone with the supervisor yesterday, Scott said, "Maybe it's time to get a lawyer." If it was so easy...but those things cost money.

Plus, my mom paid it, just to make sure my credit wouldn't get screwed up. So, I don't know if there's any way to get my money back, or credited to my next month's bill.

As for the federal law thing...if it's a federal law, how come all credit cards don't follow it? I have a Best Buy card that I was, unfortunately, late on a couple of months ago. I didn't pay the amount that was due at the end of the month, so yes, my next months payment went up. But it was only last month's payment + next month's payment. They didn't raise it anymore just because a late fee was applied.

cinema guy
06-12-2007, 10:40 PM
You should write a letter. Make it polite but forceful, and don't threaten. Point out that the mistake was not yours. If you have the dates on which the phone conversations occured, and the names of the people you spoke to, include those. Enclose copies of any documents. Keep a copy of this letter, should you need it again.

BookstoreEscapee
06-13-2007, 02:42 AM
Absolutely write that letter. Their explanation sounds very fishy to me. Is this "law" cited anywhere in the fine print in the card agreement? I know most people don't read all of that but I have never heard of such a law. I would think that they can waive any fees/minimum payment increases they want at their discretion. I have been late a couple times due to misplacing my bill, but my minimum payment never changed, I just paid a late fee (this was my MasterCard, I think). And the late fee was in no way your fault, which they readily admit, so it just doesn't add up in my mind...

A thought...is it possible to transfer the balance from that card to a major credit card? They tend to be a little lower in the interest department than private store cards. Though you say you're cancelling it soon so maybe there's not enough of a balance to be worth it...

CSR Kim
06-13-2007, 04:18 AM
I had a thought, but I don't know if it's a sucky customer thought or not. Assuming that the associate in the store had never screwed up, my payment due this month would only be $50. Because of all the stuff late fee, I was forced into paying $115. My thought was, if they can acknowledge the fact that the mistake was not MY fault, why couldn't they apply that extra $65 I had to pay to my July bill? I'd be happy with them doing that. Not that I expect they would, but it was something I'd considered suggesting in my letter. Does that sound like an unreasonable demand, or a reasonable resolution?

In my letter, I am also going to ask for documentation of this federal law. I was kind of writing out a rough draft today. I think I did a good job of going over the facts without sounding irate or irrational. (Reading terrible letters on PFB has made me paranoid of sounding like a whiny, demanding SC :p)

A thought...is it possible to transfer the balance from that card to a major credit card? They tend to be a little lower in the interest department than private store cards. Though you say you're cancelling it soon so maybe there's not enough of a balance to be worth it...

If I could, I would. They tack on so much interest, insurance, etc. to every bill that my payments hardly make a dent. Unfortunately, my debt to income ratio is too high (my credit is still good, but I've got a lot of cards, something I am trying to work on) so I can't get approved for a card I could use to do a balance transfer. As for my current balance, I still owe them a significant amount. I want to cancel because I don't want to use the card again, since I feel that their customer service regarding this issue is very...lacking. They can have the money I owe them, and I'm done.

Cia
06-13-2007, 05:44 PM
CSR Kim if you think something hinky is going on with the Zales people get ahold of the Federal Trade Commission. They would know if there is such a federal law since Zales is claiming one exists.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/choose.shtm

Near the bottom they have an address you can write to and also there is a link to get 'free information on consumer issues'. Can't hurt to see what the FTC thinks.

CSR Kim
06-13-2007, 05:49 PM
Thanks Cia, I'll check that out :)

CSR Kim
06-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Update in first post. Good news!

cinema guy
06-19-2007, 10:54 PM
Its good that it worked out.