But SHE"S the one buying them.

[Super Cashier]

Last week, two girls came to my register to buy cigarettes. Only one of them had their ID, and the other didn't. Below is what transpired:

Me: Who else?
GID: Girl w/ ID
SF: Sucky Friend

I check GID girl's ID, and I look at her friend.

Me: Okay, now I need to see your ID as well.
SF: Why? I'm not the one buying them, she is.
GID: Yeah, and besides, they're for me, not her.
Me: I understand that, but because she's with you, I have to check her ID as well. That's store policy.

They both start talking over each other, saying they've done this before without a problem, that other people don't check for ID, etc etc; And my response was:

Me: Great! Now I just need to check her ID as well!

They both look at each other with shocked looks on their faces, as if this was the first time this has ever happened to them. Then;

SF: Are you shitting me?
Me: No.
SF: I said are you shitting me?
Me: No, I'm not.

At this point, she starts glaring at me. I guess she's not used to people saying no to her. GID starts to calm her friend down, saying that it's alright. They buy the rest of their merchandise, with no cigarettes. On their way out, SF flips me off. Class act. Me, the CSM, and the other customers had a good laugh about that one.

I think they took that well, don't you?

[blas87]

Oh oh, let me guess....the one girl who had ID.......she was probably 18-24 years of age, right?

I used to get that a lot. You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but heck, the people who seemed the MOST shocked that they were being carded (back in my days of gas station angst...oops I mean bliss) were people who were BARELY over 18 or BARELY over 21. Yes, you heard me right. Someone who hasn't even been a legal adult for very long would get upset over being carded.

Don't ask me why. I mean, sure, a few older people may get offended if you work at a place that cards everyone, but in my experience, the barely legals are the ones who pitch the biggest fit. It's as if, in their own little stupid minds, they think that once they hit the magic 18, they will NEVER be carded for smokes, and once they hit 21, they will NEVER be carded for beer.

[Pixagi]

Oh oh, let me guess....the one girl who had ID.......she was probably 18-24 years of age, right?

I used to get that a lot. You wouldn't believe me if I told you, but heck, the people who seemed the MOST shocked that they were being carded (back in my days of gas station angst...oops I mean bliss) were people who were BARELY over 18 or BARELY over 21. Yes, you heard me right. Someone who hasn't even been a legal adult for very long would get upset over being carded.

Don't ask me why. I mean, sure, a few older people may get offended if you work at a place that cards everyone, but in my experience, the barely legals are the ones who pitch the biggest fit. It's as if, in their own little stupid minds, they think that once they hit the magic 18, they will NEVER be carded for smokes, and once they hit 21, they will NEVER be carded for beer.

Funny thing is, my fiance has it just the other way around. He just hit 21, and now realizes what I've been telling him forever: You look over 27.

He gets pissy when he buys us drinks because he doesn't get carded unless I'm there ^__^

[SubwayGirl]

Just a question that I have been curious about. I am a smoker. I am 40. So if I come in with my 17 year-old son I wouldn't be able to buy cigarettes because he is not old enough?

[Liminality]

I've never heard of that policy before. :o If they were co-operating and buying their wares individually, but obviously still together - chatting whilst buying, would you still need to see the ID? Or what if the friend with the ID walked back in while the one who didn't have it waited outside, would that be allowed? o_o

[Boozy]

Just a question that I have been curious about. I am a smoker. I am 40. So if I come in with my 17 year-old son I wouldn't be able to buy cigarettes because he is not old enough?

I know...this "carding everyone in the party" rule does not make a lick of sense to me either.

Perhaps you would have to tell your son to stay out of the store and hide around the corner so the clerk doesn't see him. Seems silly.

[blas87]

I would imagine your son would get carded as well. If someone came into the gas station with a baby or toddler or small child, I wouldn't card both because I doubt anyone actually buys their under 10 year olds cigarettes. But if the kid appears 12 or over, I got suspicious that mommy or daddy was buying cigarettes for their kid. Which, morally, if a parent really doesn't care, then it SHOULD be ok, however, in the eyes of the law, it's purchasing for a minor, which is against the law and comes with a hefty fine and a nice dent in your record, plus a nice fine for the store (remember the first Clerks movie?) if it was a secret shopper duo. That sounds odd, but I'm sure they do those just to make sure "everyone in the party carded" is being enforced.

Sorry if I offended any parents of teens who are allowed to smoke but there was no way in hell I was willing to risk my job or risk getting someone in trouble just because you think it's ok to let your kid smoke. If it's that important to you, have your kid stay in the car or stay home.

[UncleImpy]

That's...odd. So if a guy came in to buy cigs and you saw he had a teenager in his car...you'd still have to card them? Seems to me like smokers will start going elsewhere after this annoyance goes on for a bit.

[aniwahya]

0_o
I think given the same situation as that girl w/ ID I would have responded the same.

If you have evidence that someone is buying cigs or alcohol for someone else, I can see carding everyone, and by evidence i mean overhearing them asking or having someone stand outside and approaching random customers. But to just assume that two people together the overage person is buying for the underage person is beyond my comprehension.

[Record Store Tough Guy]

I would be annoyed by this policy as well. I have younger cousins, and if I was denied the tasty adult beverage of my choice because they were with me, I would just go somewhere else. I wouldn't be sucky about it, but I would make sure they knew their policy was the reason for my decision. I wouldn't be going back anytime soon, either.

[Brightglaive]

I hate to say it but when I was a teenager I had friends that were over 19 that would buy cigarettes for their friends that were under 19 and unable to smoke. So it makes sense.

[Shabo]

I think alcohol is considerably different that cigarettes though. For example, if you are 21+ and have some underage people with you, and you are not buying liquor for them, you would simply have them wait in the car because liquor stores are required to check id of people regardless of whether *they* are actually making the purchase or not. With parents, I believe it is different since parents can give their children liquor in their private homes as long as the kids don't give it to friends and stuff. Cigarettes? I probably would have carded both of them too, unless one of them waited outside.

My guess to the people that are barely old enough to buy restricted substances- practice from when they weren't old enough. :lol:

[PaRaGaS]

I never got carded for anything in my life.
Then again, I've been told I look anywhere between 21-30 years old.

[Aggravated Associate]

I can attest to this, but in the form of alcohol.

I once dated a guy in a band, and all of the girlfriends went to one of the bands' out-of-state shows. Therefore, one car. After the show, four of us decided to go to a grocery store, in the one car. We walked in together, split up, and picked out our stuff. I paid for my food or whatever, and I and the other girl I was with waited at the front for them so that we could all leave. The other two went through one of the tills to buy some alcohol. The cashier and another person who appeared to be a manager called myself and my friend over and demanded I.D. When we didn't have it, they basically threw us all out of the store, and wouldn't sell the alcohol our counterparts wanted, even though they were both in their mid-twenties.

I understand the policy, but it was pretty dumb. We could have just walked in ten seconds apart instead of together, pretended not to know each other, and there would have been no issue. There has to be some kind of solution to this that actually makes more sense.

[bigjimaz]

In the store's defense. I can understand the reasoning. There is nothing to prevent someone coming in to the store to buy things that are illegal for everyone they are with to purchase. By carding everyone in the party, it keeps the store from being held responsible (or the subsequent fine) for breaking the law if the legal age person was buying the product for one of the underage people in the party.

[Ljt09863]

my store does this. ive had some people get furious over it.

the deal is, alot of underage people do come in with the overage people, and point out what they want, and then the overage person buys it.

i was told from my boss that it is state law in Wisconsin. if so, then im assuming that the law was put into place, because they are trying to crack down on underage smoking, and they think that is the overage friends are buying the cigs, then the underage are smoking it too.

either way, if you agree or not, it is the store policy. it isn't the employees fault, so i don't think the customers should take it out on them. go to management, and discuss it with them if you need to.

[blas87]

Let me reiterate again that my own personal beliefs could not be overridden by policy and the law.

Honestly, I don't care if someone wants to buy beer or smokes for their teens or their underage friends. I have had older friends buy me alcohol, as with cigarettes when I was under 18. But I never went with them or I stayed in the car.

The clerk is always in a bad position. They HAVE to uphold the law. That's why it doesn't matter what you think is right or wrong, they must card everyone involved. They must deny sales to those who cannot furnish ID. Preventing selling to minors is the clerks' reponsibility, as it is to prevent someone else from doing it. Now, if I sold beer to a single guy who took it home and gave it to his girlfriend, it would no longer be my problem or my fault.

[ArcticChicken]

Just a question that I have been curious about. I am a smoker. I am 40. So if I come in with my 17 year-old son I wouldn't be able to buy cigarettes because he is not old enough?

In my experience, most stores will allow the sale if the underage person is with a parent.

The first store I worked in we had to ID everyone in the party, but at least part of the reason was that there were two colleges in town, and at least half the time they were really buying for an underage friend. Of course, there was another grocery store just down the street w/o that policy, so most of them wound up there.

[blas87]

Another reason I wouldn't sell to parents or parties with underagers:

When I was 14-16, I was not very stealth about smoking at school. I was caught many times by the same cop. Now, it may be different depending on where you live, but every time, I was offered "If you tell me who got them for you, I will make your ticket disappear." Now, I always just sucked it up and paid the fines myself, but the idea behind this is to give a fine to the adult who purchased, therefore trying to cut down on buying for underagers.

[rerant]

First off: worst policy ever. And secondly, I'm only 22 and I only hate getting carded for the following reasons:
1) My ID picture is HORRIBLE! It's downright embarassing, far beyond the reaches of "normal" bad ID pic embarassing.
2) The following conversation almost always ensues, "1985? Wow, I would have thought you were at MOST 17."
I know I should probably take that as a compliment and hope it remains that way when I'm 40, but I can't help but feel a little bad about looking like a child sometimes.

[Broomjockey]

I'm going to chime in and say I think it's a *good* policy, whether it be law or not. And this is despite the fact I got tossed once because I didn't have my ID yet for some alcohol, but my roommate (who was 25, but looked 17) did.

I understood it wasn't the clerk's fault, or anything like that. But alcohol and cigarettes are both age restricted items. That means that if one person is buying something in a carry-around type package, such as a case of beer, or a pack of smokes, it is pathetically easy to share with everyone in the group, or just to pass it over to them, which is the reasoning behind the law.

Now, if someone tried to pull that in a resturant, when it's easy to keep track of who's drinking what, that's a different story.

[Tria]

I undersand the reasoning, but as a teetotling, non smoker it would annoy me if I was with my friend who's buying cigarettes or booze while I'm getting chocolate and get carded. I usually don't carry my wallet, which has my ID, with me.

And before anyone yells "why are you driving".... I don't drive. I don't even have a license, just a state ID. Now, all my friends are legal to buy the stuff, as am I. While I don't use the stuff, I have picked up stuff for them. If I make that trip, I would have my ID, but if I'm coming to the counter with a big dark chocolate bar.... Mmm.... Dark chocolate.... It's annoying to end up carded. Understandable, but annoying.

I also understand it's not the clerk's fault. I did see the movie, both of them actually, and I understand that you and the store are just covering your asses.

[bainsidhe]

I understand that you and the store are just covering your asses.

That's it exactly. Drives me batty when someone comes in with their kid and discusses which type of cigs are the best. When I ask for BOTH IDs, Mommy gets huffy and kid laughs because she's only 15 and of course she doesn't have ID. Then don't make it seem like a 3rd party sale. At my store, if I have any reason to think someone else is involved in the purchase, I need to see their ID also. As BroomJockey said, it is to protect the store. I myself would also like to avoid getting fired and/or fined.

On another note, my store doesn't have the policy to always card everyone in the party (unless we suspect it's a 3rd party sale), but my store requires some form of ID for ALL tobacco and alcohol purchases. We lost our license for a full year a couple years ago and that is big money business. So our store takes it seriously to card card card and cover our asses.

[Misanthropical]

My oldest son is 14, but he is a lot bigger and taller than me and he does go with me sometimes when I'm buying smokes or wine.

I have never had anyone ask for his ID when I'm buying those things. Maybe it's because he is calling me "mom" or telling me how bad smoking is for me?

[Pagan]

2) The following conversation almost always ensues, "1985? Wow, I would have thought you were at MOST 17."
I know I should probably take that as a compliment and hope it remains that way when I'm 40, but I can't help but feel a little bad about looking like a child sometimes.

No, you won't appreciate it then, either. I'm almost that age and it irks me to no end to still get carded, especially when they don't card the obviously college-age guy in front of me. Although, it's happened less since I got glasses again.

We don't have the "card everyone in the party" thing in our liquor laws or with cigarettes in New Mexico that I know of. Which is amazing because the state legislature just finally changed the laws so that under 21 can at least do package sales. Although some stores still won't let under 21 do it. I've never gotten that one, under 21 working in a store couldn't even handle and unopened bottle of wine or whatever, not the checker and not the bag-person. Of course, our stat is a little squirrelly to begin with....

[Greenday]

If a parent was with a kid and was buying cigarettes, I'd always let it go because my opinion is that if the parents don't care about their kids doing that to themselves, why should I? But if two teenagers come in together, and one of them is getting cigarettes, I ID both of them without remorse. It's the most common way of getting stuff when you are underage. Just ask an older friend. I do it. My friends do it.

Alcohol is a lot bigger of an issue in my mind. If there is someone in their teenage years with an adult, I'd ID both of them. Once you hit that age to party, I'll ID them no matter who they are with.

[Peppergirl]

It just goes to show you, SC's are the same everywhere - regardless of the venue of the service provided.

They ALWAYS want to take it out on the messenger if they don't like the rule or don't like the answer they're getting.

Seriously. Flipping someone off because you're doing your job? I'd love to know who her momma is, because if I ever caught my (late teen) kid doing that, I'd kick his ass.

[PepperElf]

I remember way back when I worked in retail - a couple of crappy discount stores, both out of business now I think.

As far as I know that's not just store policy...that's the law.

In fact... yeah I remember now... back about 11 or 12 years ago one of my friends saw a kid trying to light some tiny firecracker toy. My friend went to light it for him and the lighter didn't work. Then he got spoken to by a cop who said, "You're lucky it didn't light...I'd have arrested you if it had." cos it was illegal to give that kind of thing (smokes, lighters, etc) to minors.

Heck, I once got carded just for buying a lighter at the corner Rite Aid.. I was surprised ("Huh?") but when she explained, I just showed her my ID, while laughing at the irony... I didn't smoke & bought the lighter for my candles. heh. :)

slight off topic: Hi PepperGirl. Heh, didn't see your name before I made mine. Will request mine get changed if you want since you were here first. /wave :)

[Peppergirl]

slight off topic: Hi PepperGirl. Heh, didn't see your name before I made mine. Will request mine get changed if you want since you were here first. /wave :)

No worries, the more Pepper the merrier. ;)

[aniwahya]

Bah I think that this is a stupid policy, and sheer suprise at being carded because my mom wants her cigs would prolly cause me to have a brief "WTF?" moment. While I would have a smart ass remark or two, I'd most likely leave it at that.

Good grief tho! >< What's next? Making people register for cigs and a three day wait?

[BookstoreEscapee]

If I make that trip, I would have my ID, but if I'm coming to the counter with a big dark chocolate bar.... Mmm.... Dark chocolate.... It's annoying to end up carded. Understandable, but annoying.

Some days I think chocolate should be a restricted item. It might have a positive effect on my waistline...

nawm nawm cupcakes! nawm...damn, frosting on my blanket...


No worries, the more Pepper the merrier. ;)

Achoo!! :D

[MadMike]

No worries, the more Pepper the merrier. ;)

Wouldn't you like to be a Pepper too? :rimshot:

(Ducks flying tomatoes, and gets back on topic)

I'm old enough that I very rarely get carded anymore. But to my surprise, it did happen at a bar two summers ago, when I was 37. I was kind of shocked, as I couldn't remember the last time it happened, but handed the bartender my ID. She looked at me, looked at it, and then looked at me again. Then she handed it back, apologizing profusely. I told her, don't be sorry, she just made my night. :D

[Misanthropical]

I got carded for a cough suppresent. It's not the kind you have to go to the pharmacist for, it's right on the shelf, so I bit shocked, but hey! I GOT CARDED! :D

[Greenday]

I got carded for a cough suppresent. It's not the kind you have to go to the pharmacist for, it's right on the shelf, so I bit shocked, but hey! I GOT CARDED! :D

They gotta make sure you aren't a kid who's going to go to school and take it to get high. Those crazy kids.

[AnqeiicDemise]

In NM, everyone in the party present gets carded if a single person purchases alcohol or tabacco...

And I completly understand. When I was eighteen, I'd buy cigs for my 17 year old smoker friend (three month's younger than me) and so forth when it came to booze a few years later. The fact of the matter is that people bitch about the consequences and would rather point the finger at someone else when that happens.

25 year old boyfriend buys booze for his 20 year old girlfriend. Girlfriend gets drunk and has an accident. Boyfriend sues store because they didn't card her when she was with him at the time of purchase as 'its the store's responsibility to prevent underage drinking.'

I know it sounds stupid and nonsensicle but this is one of the few laws I have to say needs to keep in place. We live in a 'sue-for-the-look' society and businesses have to take extreme measures to cover their ass.

Responsible parents shouldn't get offended. Its not the store's personal attack on you for being a smoking parent; the store's got to treat everyone under the 'Unbiggoted Stupidity Act' to make sure you're not going to be some sue-happy retard in the future.

Sad but true.

[SongsOfDragons]

Once when we were in Iceland, me and my mate Stein were getting stuff for ourselves (shopping etc) and he got this bottle of his booze of the month - this stuff that tastes like alcoholic ribena called Spirit of Kentucky. We had christened the stuff 'Schlakii' in one of our roleplays. So here we were in the queue, cheering over Schlakii!! Needless to say we both got IDd - neither of us get bothered by it, but I think the schlakii cheering gave us away.

Mmm, schlakii.

Where I live a lot of places only take passports or driver's licences, nothing else. I've even seen one place that ummed and erred over taking a green (provisional) licence, and another that will also accept photo pilot's licences. (WTF?!? Who out of 10 students has one of those?) This was very annoying and we stopped going to these dumps after they started cracking down. The only place here I know that accepts student ID/ NUS cards is Shakeaway, to give you your 10% off.

It doesn't help that the place I really want to go for my birthday only takes licences, and a couple of my friends don't want to get them for varying stupid reasons. So I either have to leave them out of the party of go somewhere else, and somewhere else sucks balls.

[pyxee]

It is the law here in Missouri, there are even stings by local police to test this. It does suck, but I can't even count the number if times that I know full well that the overage person is buying for his friends.
Now generally I would make exceptions in some cases. A parent with a teen would usually get the sale, unless I heard them discussing what the teen wanted. Also two or three friends would also get the pass, but only if it was something like one pack of smokes, or one bottle of something. Now in those situations if they asked for two different types of smokes or got a case of beer, no deal.
There are some young people these days that just go about things in such a stupid way that I absolutely love to see their face when they are denied the sale. Just like some others in this thread I also had older people buy me booze when I was underage, however I was never dense enough to go into the store with the person, and would never park the car right out in front of the store windows. I just can't help but laugh at the people who come in with two or three others, and freely discuss what every single individual wants, then claim that it is all for the one person with ID. :lol:
Same goes for the two guys with a car load of teen girls sitting in the car right out in front of the doors, when you come up to my counter with two cases of beer and four packs of wine coolers tucked under your arm, no dice.

[Primer]

The only time I can remember actually asking someone else to purchase alcohol for me when I was underage was for a birthday present for my father. I wanted to get him a bottle of Glenfiddich (sp?) scotch. I was even in the store, and at the counter at the time of purchase. I guess they sold it to us as it was probably pretty obvious that we were not scotch drinkers (too young to appreciate good scotch). Also, most (kids) our age would go for the cheap stuff if it were for personal consumption.

I don't think I could get away with that now, though.

[BookstoreEscapee]

The only place here I know that accepts student ID/ NUS cards is Shakeaway, to give you your 10% off.

I don't know about other schools but my college ID only had my name and student ID# and picture on it, and a little sticker on the side that said what semester it was. It wouldn't get me anywhere for buying restricted items (and I was still 17 until October of my freshman year).

Every time one of these threads comes up it makes me newly appreciative that I never had to card for anything other than the occasional Adult Magazine. It's the only age-restricted thing we sell. Only other things I needed ID for were checks and unsigned credit cards, and they have nothing to do with determining how old someone is.

[retaildrone]

Don't ask me why. I mean, sure, a few older people may get offended if you work at a place that cards everyone, but in my experience, the barely legals are the ones who pitch the biggest fit. It's as if, in their own little stupid minds, they think that once they hit the magic 18, they will NEVER be carded for smokes, and once they hit 21, they will NEVER be carded for beer.

I am 30 and get carded when buying a drink. in fact, I was SOL at hubby's company Christmas party because I forgot my ID and no ID meant no drinks. Oh well.

Same thing when I tried to go to a casino in New Orleans once. Left ID in hotel room. No ID meant no casino.

Sucked, but I got over it. No need to throw a fit over my forgetfulness.

When I was a waitress, most people were 'flattered' that i asked for ID.

[blas87]

I stand strong in that belief because my boyfriend is a total jerk when it comes to carding. He thinks because he's 25 (but looks 20!), just BEING 25, everyone should know that by looking at him and how dare they card him.

I only had to card him once at the gas station because I remembered him.....cuz it was a 2 year crush type of thing. But damn does he get cranky over that!

Meanwhile I ask for smokes and the clerks always look at me like I'm an informant, and I merrily hand over my ID.

[PepperElf]

i guess i forgot to put this in my other post....

i know it's a law - not just store policy - for alcohol... both people in the group have to be carded. if you're the guardian of the minor then it's not an issue... but if it's just your friend, then they cannot complete the sale. (and if they do, they can get in trouble with the law).

i wouldn't be surprised if the law was the same for cigarettes.
which means... yes you can go through the line with your children, but the situation with the teens would run into the same issue... if it looks like they're going to be sharing the smokes you can't complete the sale

(and if she did give the smokes to the minor, she could get in trouble if caught)

[LadyAndreca]

Hmm...my store doesn't sell cigarettes or alcohol, but off the top of my head we card for M-rated games, Sudafed, cough syrup, lighters, nicotine patches and...there's another one. One of the glues, maybe?...was a pain and a half with back-to-school sales but got more laughs than complaints, if memory serves.

I've had occasional people bitching about it, but usually commisserating with people ("Yeah, doesn't it suck? I wish I didn't have to") works. I've also used "I'm so BAD at guessing ages...I guess it's because I'm older than I look. Would you believe I'm 25?" on a couple people. Since I look like I'm still in high school, 16-18 is the usual guess, that generally works on the younger people.

I did have one parent thank me for letting him know the game his 10-year-old son picked out was M-rated and had the kid pick out another one instead. Got a dirty look from the kid for THAT one. :lol:

[PepperElf]

oh that reminds me... the medications.... there's actually a law behind that one now.

at least in NY state...

a while back i found out from a friend who worked in a pharmacy. they had limits of how much sudafed they could sell to a single customer because ... it can be used to manufacture crystal meth. i dont know how, but that's what she said.

so... the law stepped in to control the sales. you can still buy the pills, but now you have to provide a state ID when you purchase the pills. and they only accept state IDs, no other forms of legal identification.

which is also why you'll find "new" versions of some of those drugs that don't require ID checks, but those also don't contain the chemicals that can be abused.

[Dorath]

I know I'm a bit of a jerk, but I loved every moment of refusing a sale. It wasn't kids either, but immigrants trying to use their green cards or out of country ID.

[Hon'ya-chan]

I actually got cussed out once demanding ID for the Beserk manga on a teenager. The mom came up and huffed, demanded to know why I denied selling the manga to her kids, and when I mentioned the infamous Rape Scence, she beat her kid pretty fast, scolding her what the heck she was reading that crap for.

Of course, I still have kids trying to read the Kama Sutra books and break open all the wrapped Yaoi manga. If they can't produce ID, their asked to leave.

[Lace Neil Singer]

I know I'm a bit of a jerk, but I loved every moment of refusing a sale.

Heh, I also get a kick out of refusing sales. XD Especially since in October over here there was a change in the law regarding ciggie sales; kids have to be 18 rather than 16 to get served. Goes something like this:

Kid: I'd like a pack of Mayfair, please.
Me: Can I see some ID?
Kid: But I'm 16!
Me: You have to be 18 now, sorry.

Epic fail. XD

[Rapscallion]

I know I'm a bit of a jerk, but I loved every moment of refusing a sale. It wasn't kids either, but immigrants trying to use their green cards or out of country ID.

Really? Do you have something against people of other backgrounds?

Rapscallion

[Pagan]

In NM, everyone in the party present gets carded if a single person purchases alcohol or tabacco...

Since when?? I've lived in NM literally my whole life (Well, except for my year of insanity when I lived in El Paso. But I was up in Las Cruces almost every weekend) and have never seen this happen. I can't even find anything in NMRLD that addresses it.

[PaRaGaS]

This got me thinking.
I'm Polish, all I have is my Polish ID card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document#Poland).
Let's say I went to the USA for two weeks, and wanted to grab a beer.
Are you saying I wouldn't be able to purchase alcohol AT ALL?
That's ridiculous :devil:

[SongsOfDragons]

This got me thinking.
I'm Polish, all I have is my Polish ID card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document#Poland).
Let's say I went to the USA for two weeks, and wanted to grab a beer.
Are you saying I wouldn't be able to purchase alcohol AT ALL?
That's ridiculous :devil:

If that's true, then it sounds like part of the uncomfortable stereotype that the collective Americans think they rule the world... :(

[Geek King]

This got me thinking.
I'm Polish, all I have is my Polish ID card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document#Poland).
Let's say I went to the USA for two weeks, and wanted to grab a beer.
Are you saying I wouldn't be able to purchase alcohol AT ALL?
That's ridiculous :devil:

I assume you would have a passport to come over here, and that would be accepted most places. Many wouldn't accept ID cards from other countries because they have a hard enough time keeping up with the valid state IDs from this one. :p

[Misanthropical]

Geek King, that is for sure! In California they refused to sell me anything with my valid South Dakota ID, which is all I had on me at the time. :rolleyes:

[PaRaGaS]

I assume you would have a passport to come over here, and that would be accepted most places. Many wouldn't accept ID cards from other countries because they have a hard enough time keeping up with the valid state IDs from this one. :p

Then again, how do they know if the passport is genuine? :angel:

BTW, I wonder how that applies to Schengen member states.
Poland has recently entered the Schengen zone, and we can
travel the European Union countries with no border control, nor need for passports.

What if I wanted beer in the UK, and they would refuse because I'd only have my Polish ID?

[Rapscallion]

I had my passport refused at a burger bar in the Mall of Americalandialand once. They wanted some ID to verify my credit card, and the guy (looked like the father from Americalandialand Chopper - perfect tache) really didn't trust it.

Rapscallion

[PaRaGaS]

I had my passport refused at a burger bar in the Mall of Americalandialand once. They wanted some ID to verify my credit card, and the guy (looked like the father from Americalandialand Chopper - perfect tache) really didn't trust it.

Where's your tattoo? Why come you don't have a tattoo?!
Cookies for those, who get the reference :D

[Pagan]

I had my passport refused at a burger bar in the Mall of Americalandialand once. They wanted some ID to verify my credit card, and the guy (looked like the father from Americalandialand Chopper - perfect tache) really didn't trust it.

See, I don't get that. A passport is kind of like the ultimate ID.

BTW - Americalanialand - love that!

[Hon'ya-chan]

This got me thinking.
I'm Polish, all I have is my Polish ID card (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_document#Poland).
Let's say I went to the USA for two weeks, and wanted to grab a beer.
Are you saying I wouldn't be able to purchase alcohol AT ALL?
That's ridiculous :devil:

Of course, we don't trust you, you commie bastard. :p:lol::angel:

[Dorath]

Really? Do you have something against people of other backgrounds?

Rapscallion
Federal law states only American issued picture IDs can be used for alcahol or tobacco purchases.

[PaRaGaS]

Of course, we don't trust you, you commie bastard. :p:lol::angel:

I do work at McDonald's, you know... :D

[NightRain]

Sounds about right.
I've been turned down getting smokes, drinks, the works in the USA on a Brit passport.

First time I put it down to me being a smart arse when I walked into a store drenched to the skin. "Is it raining out there?" They asked, despite the noise of the rain on the roof drowning (pardon the pun) out the radio, and the obvious downpour visible from the windows.
"Not at all," says I "My ship sank and I had to swim the last three miles in". So, no smokes from that store.

Next store, some time later? I got told that my passport was a "nice try son, but I know you did that on your printer at home". (that one got ugly.... very ugly.)

Yeah.... :rolleyes:

[BookstoreEscapee]

Do you keep your passport with you when you are out and about while visiting America(landialand)? Or do you keep it safe wherever you are staying? (I've never traveled with a passport...only been to Canada on a school trip in 7th grade.)

As for the Sudafed thing, if I'm not mistaken that is federal law. I think the real stuff works better, though. Unfortunately, last time I tried to get the Target brand of the real stuff, they didn't have it, and I had to get brand name Sudafed; the girl in the pharmacy wasn't sure if they were even carrying the Target brand anymore.

Oh, and I went to get a bottle of Romana Black for tonight (Happy New Year!!!) and I did not get carded. I'm not quite sure how I feel about that. :rolleyes:

[Hon'ya-chan]

I do work at McDonald's, you know... :D

Where is that pic of the Russians in front of that McDonald's....

[Rapscallion]

Federal law states only American issued picture IDs can be used for alcahol or tobacco purchases.

That may be federal law, but I'm more concerned that you appeared gleeful to be refusing immigrants.

Rapscallion

[machinest]

Also isnt a green card a American federal picture ID?

[Pagan]

Federal law states only American issued picture IDs can be used for alcahol or tobacco purchases.

I don't know about that. I've been looking on the ATF website and can't find anything that addresses it. But, since there are provisions that under certain circumstances that a nonimmigrant person can purchase a firearm, I'd be willing to bet that they can also purchase alcohol.

Also isnt a green card a American federal picture ID?

Well, since it's issued by USCIS....

[Dorath]

That may be federal law, but I'm more concerned that you appeared gleeful to be refusing immigrants.

Rapscallion
You misunderstand, I love refusing anyone. Race, color, religion, political party, means nothing to me.

[Hon'ya-chan]

You misunderstand, I love refusing anyone. Race, color, religion, political party, means nothing to me.

"I don't Discriminate, I hate Everyone."

[Pezzle]

I don't know if central NJ is just lax or what, but the servers at certain restaurants dont bat an eye if my boyfriend orders a drink and shares it with me. They also don't care if I wander into a liquor store with him and look around at which beer I want.. in fact they card neither of us.

He's old enough to be my dad. So that probably helps a lot.

[PepperElf]

where i am now... at the gangi bar it's 100% carding (20 to drink) but the stores don't card (eh? okaaay)


couple of years ago tho... got carded at wal-mart once - which is odd cos they didn't card the guy i was actually buying smokes for... we were both of age tho. I was surprised cos the policy is to card if you look under 25.

Me: You think I'm under 25?
Woman: Yes.... (prolly thought I was going to be a bitch)
Me: Thank you! I turn 32 next week. :D

I was all smiles after that... Come to think of it, just a couple of weeks later i was at a kareoke get-together with friends. one of them looked at me and said, "You're over 21?!" :lol:


(oh but yes... it's 20 to drink in Japan, not sure bout smoking tho)

[yizuman]

I have to back up this policy as well.

There's no way we can know for certain that an legal adult is NOT going to purchase tobacco and alcohol for minors. This happens all the time, that I am certain of.

So with this policy, I'm covering my butt and the company's butt if later some cop finds out that an legal adult did indeed purchase them for minors, there will be an investigation.

I do this also at my work, two kids come into the store, I will check both their IDs to make sure they're both legit. I'm not taking a chance that one individual may be purchasing tobacco and or alcohol for their minor buddy.

In my state, it's a $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail (plus court costs and attorney fees as well), plus a permanant criminal record that will show up on background checks when a potential new employer looks me up as part of their hiring decisions. No employer, that I am sure of, will hire me if they find out that I sold tobacco and or alcohol to an legal adult, but gave it to a minor instead.

Yiz