Binky
09-08-2006, 03:46 AM
Ok I'm going to open up a bit of a debate on something that has happened to me recently. I'm just interested to see what people think...did I do the right thing? Or the wrong thing? Yes I know things are not all black and white, so I will give the best explanation of the situation I can so that you know all the details.
OK...
A little background info..This person (we'll call them K) was someone I have some rather bad history with...they, in fact, were the person who gave me the bad credit rating by not paying the bill 3 times.... so I have some bad feelings towards them. However, something rather more related to the person they are...we both go to university together, we are in the same degree, the difference between us is I have passed everything and they have failed everything bar 2 subjects, they have even had to do subjects again and have failed them again. We have both studied 12 subjects all up, so they have failed 10.
Having lived with them, I know that the reason for them failing everything is the fact that they don't show up to classes, and lectures, and rarely if ever hand in anything, if they do it's a half assed job. People who have been in groups with them, tell me that K would wait till the assignment had been done by other people, and then would just do the intro so that they could claim they did something (even tho the report would be like 100 pages long)
NOW the story, I was (literally) farced into a group with them, and knowing their history I wasn't happy. I in fact told the teacher this, and informed them of the fact that K had failed one of HIS subjects 2 times already! He said that if I had any problems to tell him, and he would sort it out.
OK, so we had our first group project due the next week, we set a day and time to have all the work in for each group member so that I would be able to get it all together and printer. They day came and went, and I had not received a thing from K, not even an e-mail telling me why it wasn't in. I sent them a message...my response? "Not near a computer, will send it tomorrow OK!".... Pissed off (I didn't even get a sorry, or a reason for it not being in) I accepted this. I got the stuff, LATE the next day, and I did the project. I passed it on, and another group member (we'll call the P) went and printed it (I didn't have the time in the end)...now K was MEANT to go with the other group member to print it, K never showed, once again, now e-mail and no call to let P know they were not going to show. P said they would mount the project (it was a poster) and said that K would come and help. ONCE again, K didn't show, and P had to do it alone.
Fast forward to the next project. We had to do 3 drawings each. P and I showed up to class with our 3 drawings, K...showed up late, had ONE drawing, and it was on the wrong sized paper, and it didn't meet the brief! (We HAD in fact told them what to do, at least twice because they hadn't gone to the lecture to find the info out on their own)
Now we have the next project...a report...we delegate each person with a part of the report, it's easy stuff, VERY easy. We once again, set a day and time. K gets reminded on what to do by P and the time it's due. Day and time pass, K hasn't sent me their stuff...AGAIN...no e-mail, no sms, no call, no form of contact at all to let me know WHY!..No contact BEFORE then to say it won't be in by that time. I'm patient, and I wait, it's the next day, and it's 9:00pm...I sms them, P sms's them, they take 30mins to get on msn to tell us where their stuff is...they lie and say that they have in fact been messaging us...I say (and P says) we didn't receive ANY message from them...they admit they didn't in the end, they try and get out of it...giving us all these excuses for WHY it was not handed in to us, we shut these all down (they really were pathetic)..K say's they have done SOME of what they were meant to do, but was waiting for us to send her ours stuff so she could complete it (she didn't need our stuff, she didn't ask for it, and her part was not related to anything we were doing)..Once again we shut this down. In the end, we tell K that they have to add to what WE have done (I had to do their parts as the report was due the next day), and they have to make a real effort or we were not adding their name to the report. K adds a few sentences to one of my parts, and sends it back to me.... rather pathetic...I tell K it's not good enough.
Now we're in class...The report is printer (we printed the one without K's added parts) and we go talk to the teacher, we show him what K did, and say what happened...He say's its not good enough, and says to take K's name off the report, and that he is failing them on the report. K walks into class 30 mins late, and doesn't talk to me, waits till I'm gone and asks P what happened, did we put the report in with their name on it. P tells them what happened, K storms out of room and doesn't come back.
NOW...what I want to know is..do you think P and I did the right thing by getting K failed? Or were we acting a bit harshly? What are your thoughts??
OK...
A little background info..This person (we'll call them K) was someone I have some rather bad history with...they, in fact, were the person who gave me the bad credit rating by not paying the bill 3 times.... so I have some bad feelings towards them. However, something rather more related to the person they are...we both go to university together, we are in the same degree, the difference between us is I have passed everything and they have failed everything bar 2 subjects, they have even had to do subjects again and have failed them again. We have both studied 12 subjects all up, so they have failed 10.
Having lived with them, I know that the reason for them failing everything is the fact that they don't show up to classes, and lectures, and rarely if ever hand in anything, if they do it's a half assed job. People who have been in groups with them, tell me that K would wait till the assignment had been done by other people, and then would just do the intro so that they could claim they did something (even tho the report would be like 100 pages long)
NOW the story, I was (literally) farced into a group with them, and knowing their history I wasn't happy. I in fact told the teacher this, and informed them of the fact that K had failed one of HIS subjects 2 times already! He said that if I had any problems to tell him, and he would sort it out.
OK, so we had our first group project due the next week, we set a day and time to have all the work in for each group member so that I would be able to get it all together and printer. They day came and went, and I had not received a thing from K, not even an e-mail telling me why it wasn't in. I sent them a message...my response? "Not near a computer, will send it tomorrow OK!".... Pissed off (I didn't even get a sorry, or a reason for it not being in) I accepted this. I got the stuff, LATE the next day, and I did the project. I passed it on, and another group member (we'll call the P) went and printed it (I didn't have the time in the end)...now K was MEANT to go with the other group member to print it, K never showed, once again, now e-mail and no call to let P know they were not going to show. P said they would mount the project (it was a poster) and said that K would come and help. ONCE again, K didn't show, and P had to do it alone.
Fast forward to the next project. We had to do 3 drawings each. P and I showed up to class with our 3 drawings, K...showed up late, had ONE drawing, and it was on the wrong sized paper, and it didn't meet the brief! (We HAD in fact told them what to do, at least twice because they hadn't gone to the lecture to find the info out on their own)
Now we have the next project...a report...we delegate each person with a part of the report, it's easy stuff, VERY easy. We once again, set a day and time. K gets reminded on what to do by P and the time it's due. Day and time pass, K hasn't sent me their stuff...AGAIN...no e-mail, no sms, no call, no form of contact at all to let me know WHY!..No contact BEFORE then to say it won't be in by that time. I'm patient, and I wait, it's the next day, and it's 9:00pm...I sms them, P sms's them, they take 30mins to get on msn to tell us where their stuff is...they lie and say that they have in fact been messaging us...I say (and P says) we didn't receive ANY message from them...they admit they didn't in the end, they try and get out of it...giving us all these excuses for WHY it was not handed in to us, we shut these all down (they really were pathetic)..K say's they have done SOME of what they were meant to do, but was waiting for us to send her ours stuff so she could complete it (she didn't need our stuff, she didn't ask for it, and her part was not related to anything we were doing)..Once again we shut this down. In the end, we tell K that they have to add to what WE have done (I had to do their parts as the report was due the next day), and they have to make a real effort or we were not adding their name to the report. K adds a few sentences to one of my parts, and sends it back to me.... rather pathetic...I tell K it's not good enough.
Now we're in class...The report is printer (we printed the one without K's added parts) and we go talk to the teacher, we show him what K did, and say what happened...He say's its not good enough, and says to take K's name off the report, and that he is failing them on the report. K walks into class 30 mins late, and doesn't talk to me, waits till I'm gone and asks P what happened, did we put the report in with their name on it. P tells them what happened, K storms out of room and doesn't come back.
NOW...what I want to know is..do you think P and I did the right thing by getting K failed? Or were we acting a bit harshly? What are your thoughts??