GRRRRR! This man is pissing me off!!! [Archive]

sportsmom

11-16-2006, 07:24 PM

*Mods, I apologize if this is too hot a topic, please delete if you see fit.*

OJ Simpson now has the balls to write a book about "how he would have done it, if he did it." This is pretty much a confession as far as I am concerned. He did it, he knows he did it, everyone knows he did it, but he gets to continue on with his life and two innocent people were robbed of theirs.

What a nice Christmas present for your kids "hey guys, I hacked your mom to bits and got away with it. Here's a book about how it all went down."

GRRRRRR!!!! Someone should beat him with his Heisman! And some Bruno Magli shoes!

MadMike

11-16-2006, 07:28 PM

Problem is, from what I heard on some discussion on some news show, they couldn't do anything to him now, even if it was an outright confession. According to the discussion, a "not guilty" can not be overturned, and once the verdict was reached, he could haved turned and faced everyone in the courtroom and yelled, "Ha ha! I did do it!", and they wouldn't have been able to do a thing to him.

I wasn't one of those people obsessed with the trial. Quite the opposite, in fact -- I was sick and tired of hearing about it. But I didn't have my own washer and dryer back then, and had to use the laundromat. The TV in there was constantly tuned to one of the news stations, and that seemed to be the number one topic being covered every time I went in there.

Seanette

11-16-2006, 07:30 PM

Add insertion of golf clubs into various orifices, I say.

Words that won't get me in trouble with the mods utterly fail me here. About the only thing that keeps my blood pressure below redline is reminding myself that he may think he got away with it, but Judgement Day, with an all-knowing Judge, is still in store.

Argabarga

11-16-2006, 07:44 PM

Well, it's hardly enough, but he did lose just about everything his celebrity status brought him, his fancy home, all those material things, his acting career, his sports icon image, they're all gone. Lost to civil judgment.

Not nearly a fair trade for 2 human lives, but, I'll bet someone as wrapped up and selfish as he is (and would have to be to kill for jealousy) that it hurts just a little.

At least I hope it does.

friendofjimmyk

11-16-2006, 07:52 PM

Yeah, I read about this crap! I can't believe it! He has still yet to pay anything for the civil cases he lost...he's been getting around that for years now. AND there's a way that he could set it up so that the profits from this craptastic book of his will never get taken for the civil cases either.

He'll get his - I believe in karma and he's going to get it BIG TIME!

sportsmom

11-16-2006, 09:18 PM

Yeah, he could set up the profits to go into a trust fund or some other nonsense and get out of paying the families, but I certainly hope that they can go to court to get that taken care of.

Ryu

11-16-2006, 09:54 PM

Melxb

11-16-2006, 10:29 PM

I'm from SoCal and I graduated hs around the time of the murder in 1994 and I was in college during the trial. I remember that they played the verdict live on the radio and I was listening to it when I was driving to school. When the not-guilty verdict was read I pulled over to a residential street and cried. I was so angry and upset and betrayed that someone who is so obviously guilty was let off. I don't care that some people tell me "well, you weren't on th jury so you don't know how they deliberated...blah, blah, blah..." I don't care. I saw the first time as an adult how a person can get away with murder.
This book makes me sick. It literally turned my stomach when I first heard about it a few days ago. He's such a narcissist. He may as well just come out and say he did it. The law can't touch him. I just hate him.

Misanthropical

11-16-2006, 10:41 PM

Right before the verdict, I told my husband that if OJ was found guilty there would be rioting the likes of which no one had seen before.

My husband said they wouldn't find him guilty, even if OJ stood in court right before the verdict was read and admitted it, he wouldn't be found guilty.

MystyGlyttyr

11-16-2006, 10:41 PM

I've studied the case a lot out of sheer idle curiousity, and having read and taken stock of all sides of the story, my conclusions led me to one thing.

1. Lance Ito should have been disbarred SEVERAL times.
2. Robert Shapiro is/was probably a drunk.
3. Marcia Clark and co. made some bonehead mistakes but considering what they had to work with, who wouldn't?
4. Mark Fuhrman is probably a bigot and definitely is narcisstic, but he's not a liar. At least not a good enough one to get away with the glove thing.
5. The jury was essentially a team of uneducated, star-f****r mo-rans who blatantly ignored evidence and had already made up their minds long before it came time to deliberate. Four hours to discuss a five-month trial shows that.
6. OJ's face makes me want to punch him square in the eyeball every time I see it.
7. The first modern case that I feel can be properly classified as tinged with a murderous variety of "Missing white woman syndrome". As much as I hate to label it as that, it is the term proper (see Wiki).

The whole thing is revolting to the core, but I still find it fascinating to study.

Seanette

11-16-2006, 10:47 PM

A cop friend pointed out that the whole "LAPD framed him" argument is garbage. I think said friend is right. There is just no way that many people are REALLY going to pull together that well to throw together that much evidence against the same person that fast, without screwing it up, and with no one EVER breaking silence about all the felonies being committed in the process. A conspiracy that big involving that many people (especially put together as fast as it was, unless you buy the tinfoil headgear brigade's theory that the murders were committed as part of said conspiracy) will NOT hold together anywhere near as long as this alleged one has.

BunnyJas

11-16-2006, 10:53 PM

I remember the day of the verdict too. I was in high school and the teachers had T.V.'s set up so we could see it. I was absolutely stunned and inscensed that someone with that much evidence against them could be found not guilty. It just taught me that if you had enough money and celebrity status, you could get away with anything. That revelation made me sick to my stomach, and now that this scum is trying to profit from his crime by practically writing his confession.....I don't have words for how sick and enraged I feel. I hope he burns eternally in the afterlife for this and nobody should by his book so he can profit.

I wonder what all those people who thought he was innocent are thinking now......

Seanette

11-16-2006, 11:00 PM

I wonder what all those people who thought he was innocent are thinking now......
I'm not sure thought is involved.

irateguy

11-17-2006, 03:35 AM

They didnt have the sharpest knives in the drawer on that jury. One juror said that The Fuhrman tapes were enought to make her vote not guilty WTF??? Yes maybe he is a racist but that doesnt mean he planted evidence. Johnie Cohran knew OJ was guilty and that was just his smokescreen. If you looked at that case ALL the evidence was evidence against him Not one piece of evidence was for him. Also innocent men don't run. If any of you are interested and can still find the book somewhere I recommend " Outrage" by Vince Bugliosi its a very good book on the trial.

One semi interesting side note Det VanAtter is now retired and lives on a farm in Indiana pretty close to me

protege

11-17-2006, 04:00 AM

Johnie Cohran knew OJ was guilty and that was just his smokescreen. If you looked at that case ALL the evidence was evidence against him Not one piece of evidence was for him.

Cochran is a racist. He *knew* that Simpson was probably going to be found guilty because of the evidence. So rather than deal with that, he turned the entire trial into one huge case of playing the race card. He used past events by some (not all!) LAPD officers (remember Rodney King?) to turn things to his advantage. Things weren't helped by Furman on the stand either.

Even with that, Simpson was probably not going to be found guilty...simply because he is OJ Simpson. Too many idiots on the jury wouldn't convict simply because of his fame.

And yes, I do think OJ did it. He'll get what's coming to him sooner or later.

South Texan

11-17-2006, 05:09 AM

Johnie Cohran knew OJ was guilty and that was just his smokescreen. If you looked at that case ALL the evidence was evidence against him Not one piece of evidence was for him. Also innocent men don't run
He *knew* that Simpson was probably going to be found guilty because of the evidence. So rather than deal with that, he turned the entire trial into one huge case of playing the race card. He used past events by some (not all!) LAPD officers (remember Rodney King?) to turn things to his advantage. Things weren't helped by Furman on the stand either.
Both of you hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Simpson’s defense was to attack and throw smoke and innuendo and suspicion on as much of the prosecution’s evidence as it could. Almost any criminal law attorney (prosecution or defense) will tell you that that is the job of the defense attorney. The Simpson team managed to throw enough doubt into the jurors’ minds that they had Reasonable Doubt.

The jury did not get to see all of the antics of the trial like those who watched the thing on cable witnessed. While I have no doubt Simpson if guilty, I have to give credit to the job his defense team did during the trial.

Zombi

11-18-2006, 04:03 PM

If any of you are interested and can still find the book somewhere I recommend " Outrage" by Vince Bugliosi its a very good book on the trial.

Bugliosi FTW! *has read Helter Skelter*

I'm way too young to remember the OJ trial in any detail, but we studied it in one of my history units last semester. The important thing here is that this was the era of court TV, and it was the first major case to be really televised. Because it was going out across all the media channels at once, it reached more people than it would have otherwise.

It was a complete farce, though - it was all about the race card.

Myra

11-18-2006, 04:30 PM

i heard that there is a federal law or something that he could be prosecuted by federal attorneys
apparently it was used in the 80's and 90's to convict some type of criminal, i forget the specification given on the news
i dont know how true or plausible it is but thats what i heard
its crap that hes doing all this
I read about this somewhere on slate.com. Basically, the feds COULD indict him, but generally, that's a slim chance. They only step in and do cases like this if there is a state or federal employee involved, or the crime was commited on federal property. The article had two examples of times the feds stepped in, and both had to do with a police officer commiting a crime the state found them not-guilty of. Sadly, the feds probably won't touch this.

Basically, OJ could do a happy dance down the street in LA with a sign declaring he did it with photographic evidence and a video tape and nothing will probalby happen. It's effing sickening. I feel for his children. I hope they have some sort of positive role model in their lives, because this dude is despicable.

wildcatgrrl

11-18-2006, 11:48 PM

Problem is, from what I heard on some discussion on some news show, they couldn't do anything to him now, even if it was an outright confession. According to the discussion, a "not guilty" can not be overturned, and once the verdict was reached, he could haved turned and faced everyone in the courtroom and yelled, "Ha ha! I did do it!", and they wouldn't have been able to do a thing to him.

Which is exactly why OJ never took the stand in his own defense. There was a murder here some years ago, and the murderer did take the stand, lied under oath, and was acquitted. A while later, photographic evidence of the murder was found. He couldn't be retried for the murder, but was tried and convicted for perjury. At least he had to go to prison for a while. Cochran and company knew better than to put OJ on the stand.

At worst, OJ is a murderer who got away with it (MHO). At BEST, he's a sh***y father who doesn't give two craps for his kids' feelings, writing a book like that. Either way, a pitiful excuse for a human being.

Rapscallion

11-19-2006, 08:36 AM

The law against Double Jeopardy (as it's known over here) was recently repealed (if memory serves), so people can be retried if they pull that sort of stunt.

There's also a useful recent law over here to stop criminals from profiting from their crimes. This means that the police can and do sieze the flashy cars and bling that can be proven to be the proceeds of crime, but notorious criminals who write books are unable to profit from them.

Of course, things such as this are gotten around all the time, but the principle's there.

Rapscallion

BunnyJas

11-19-2006, 03:33 PM

There's also a useful recent law over here to stop criminals from profiting from their crimes. This means that the police can and do sieze the flashy cars and bling that can be proven to be the proceeds of crime, but notorious criminals who write books are unable to profit from them.

We have one like that in the US too. Unfortunately, I think the criminal has to have been convicted of the crime and sentenced. Since neither was applied to asshole OJ, then he can get away with this. The most that can be done is not to buy his book so he can profit. We all know that the money he earns from it will not go to the victims' families.

Tanasi

11-20-2006, 12:34 AM

The feds could probably get OJ on depriving Nicole and the other guy of their civil rights but as far as murder goes he can't be retried.
Raps It's also called Double-Jeopardy here and IMHO getting rid of that is a very very very bad idea. I say this because while a few guilty may walk, sooner or later it will be abused against the innocent and/or the political opposition.

Sunsetsky

11-20-2006, 07:56 PM

I couldn't believe it when I first read it. I can't believe that he would have the gall to do that.

I was in 5th grade during the trial and I remember my teacher coming up to our class with a huge smile on her face saying "He's been found not guilty!!" There apparently was a tv on in the library and some teachers were gathered around it during lunch to see what the outcome would be. I was too young to really care about it and was tired of my class talking about it.

protege

11-20-2006, 08:42 PM

According to CNBC, OJ's book will *not* be getting published. Apparently, the publisher thought it was in "poor taste" and has canceled the book!

Ryu

11-20-2006, 08:59 PM

he still has a special on fox coming up either way
unless that gets cancelled as well

MadMike

11-20-2006, 09:04 PM

According to CNBC, OJ's book will *not* be getting published. Apparently, the publisher thought it was in "poor taste" and has canceled the book!

I guess there's still some sense and sanity left in this world after all. Not much, but I guess it's something.

It still amazes me that so many people got all wrapped up in this, and that it dragged on for as long as I did. If it had been just a regular nobody, rather than some celebrity, it would have been an open and shut case.

I remember back when the trial was still in full swing, I was sitting at the bar having a beer and my favorite "Hot Wings from Hell", as they called them. There was a small, petite woman sitting quietly on the stool next to me, and a couple of drunk, loud guys sitting at a nearby table.

They were talking about the whole trial, and how Mark Fuhrman's testimony was disregard because of "racist reasons." The one guy was really annoyed about it, and was pounding his fist on his table with every few words.

"IT DOESN'T (POUND) MATTER THAT THAT MARK (POUND) FURHMAN IS A RACIST MOTHER(POUND)FUCKER! IT DOES NOT (POUND) CHANGE THE FACT THAT THAT (POUND) MOTHERFUCKER IS (POUND) GUILTY!"

With that, the woman who had been sittingly quietly next to me, leaped off her stool, charged over to the table, and started arguing with the guy. I just rolled my eyes, quickly finished my wings and beer, paid, and left.