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  • #16
    I GOT A RESPONSE FROM THE AUTHOR!

    You're seeing it right when I am... it just arrived and first thing I am pasting it here for all of you to read, before I even read it.

    Thank you for writing. Your e-mail was shared with Bob Sullivan, author of "Don't Get Hooked by Hidden Fees". Here is Mr. Sullivan's response:

    "Good Housekeeping forwarded your message about my hidden fees article in the June issue. I really appreciate you taking the time to criticize the story and put your thoughts in writing.

    If I am reading the tone of your message correctly, I think you are ultimately saying that consumers should always treat clerks and others with respect, and on that I wholeheartedly agree.

    I think we might disagree about what that means when it comes to vocalizing complaints, however. I believe it is acceptable to raise your voice and to show genuine emotion in order to make sure you are heard, particularly in environments where you are being ignored. In fact, I would encourage all consumers, men and women alike, to quite literally “speak up” when the situation calls for that. I do believe that colloquialism speaks for itself.

    I think cultural and local etiquette has something to say about this subject. I grew up right outside New York City, where people who cannot or will not raise their voice might as well be invisible. I know in other parts of the country that would be considered strange behavior. In Seattle, where I lived for 10 years, no one ever raises their voice.

    I also believe there are many shades of gray between yelling and speaking softly. I believe there are ways to speak a bit louder than normal to demand respect and attention that don’t involve screaming and intimidating other people. And I believe there are times when that is absolutely appropriate. And I think it’s impractical to suggest keeping emotion out of such confrontations So while I would agree that yelling, screaming, or being outright disrespectful are rarely productive or justifiable, I would beg to differ on the notion that raising your voice is never acceptable.

    Finally, if you are a front line employee at a company who must endure these kinds of emotional reactions from consumers, I think it is entirely appropriate for you to forward on the consumer to management. People who own the company should know that their policies are sparking that kind of response; you should not be called on to insulate owners from angry consumers. Few things motivate change in corporate culture like the meeting of an owner or upper manager with a genuine emotional reaction from a customer ".

    Sincerely,
    Marjorie Cubisino,
    Director Consumer & Reader Services Good Housekeeping
    My basic dog food advice - send a pm if you need more.

    Saydrah's leaving the nest advice + packing list live here.

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    • #17
      What a whack job! No wonder there are so many SCs in the world. People like her only encourage them.

      What do you want to bet this woman never worked retail in her life?
      Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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      • #18
        I do have to note that it was a man- Bob Sullivan- who wrote the response; Marjorie Cubisino only passed my letter on to him and his to me, so she is to be praised for sending my complaint straight to the source and asking him to respond personally, rather than letting it sit on a heap somewhere or sending back a form letter. It's Bob Sullivan who deserves a troutslap.
        My basic dog food advice - send a pm if you need more.

        Saydrah's leaving the nest advice + packing list live here.

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        • #19
          Quoth Saydrah View Post
          It's Bob Sullivan who deserves a troutslap.
          someone ordered a trout slap? here's two for good measure.
          Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

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          • #20
            you know I just went from really impressed with the guy that he took the time to write back... and even though I disagreed with him have to respect someone who can take the time to not just say, oh another wackjob emailer *delete* then I saw Saydrah's post... he sent me the exact same letter, down to the formatting... I'm almost willing to bet that he knew up front that he'd get customer service people who are upset writing and wrote it before even publishing the original article,
            If you wish to find meaning, listen to the music not the song

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            • #21
              Well, I hope the guy feels better after telling people to bully clerks into giving them discounts. "oh yes, I scored 40% off because I bullied the clerk. I continued to raise my voice until I got what I wanted." I hate people like that. (reminds me of my last SC that I posted about a few days ago!) I hope most people reading that article will realise that the article presents bad advice. I'm more willing to give good people who ask discounts than people who try to bully me. The louder they get, the more I want to shut them down by refusing to do what they want.

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              • #22
                Quoth Rine View Post
                Well, I hope the guy feels better after telling people to bully clerks into giving them discounts. "oh yes, I scored 40% off because I bullied the clerk. I continued to raise my voice until I got what I wanted." I hate people like that. (reminds me of my last SC that I posted about a few days ago!) I hope most people reading that article will realise that the article presents bad advice. I'm more willing to give good people who ask discounts than people who try to bully me. The louder they get, the more I want to shut them down by refusing to do what they want.
                On that note... I love the part of the response he gives about how in New York it is perfectly normal to raise one's voice but it's not common across the country (yet)... it's like hello, I don't live in New York and the vast majority (believe it or not) of the country don't live in New York... so either he is encouraging everyone to be a jerk or he is arrogant enough to think that the New York way is the only way to do things (and for the record, I have met people from New York who don't act like what he says New Yorkers act like, so even there I don't think it's entirely common, so I think that it's that he wants people to be jerks).
                If you wish to find meaning, listen to the music not the song

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                • #23
                  I got the exact same reply from him as well. How annoying. I am considering responding and pointing out that I don't appreciate a form letter as a reply.

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                  • #24
                    Let's put it this way the author is a jerk, and is trying to put his living OUTSIDE of NYC as a reason for him being one.

                    He is the stereotypical wannabe!

                    I can see him living in his small town in NJ (or the area where people whom actually live in the city call upstate/ Nyack, NY) acting all cool with his friends because they play whomever doesn't talk loud enough is invisible.

                    I thought that people matured and outgrew that but obviously they don't.

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                    • #25
                      What if we wrote in on how we 'got out discounts' because we raised our voices and made ourselves heard. Maybe throw in a story here and there on how we made someone cry or get blustery.

                      Maybe then he might change his tune?

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                      • #26
                        Quoth smileyeagle1021 View Post
                        he sent me the exact same letter, down to the formatting... I'm almost willing to bet that he knew up front that he'd get customer service people who are upset writing and wrote it before even publishing the original article,
                        I got the exact same letter-and he's written another article entitled(no pun intended)
                        "Never pay full price"

                        telling people to haggle with sales people and ask for expired discounts

                        "I say we nuke the Site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"- CPL Hicks-Aliens*

                        *not advocating anything just quoting a movie that seems quite appropriate
                        Honestly.... the image of that in my head made me go "AWESOME!"..... and then I remembered I am terribly strange.-Red dazes

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                        • #27
                          To shorten what the author said, "How dare we act civil and take responsibility for our actions" when we can whine until we get our way.

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