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  • #16
    Do you know thought diversion techniques?

    As soon as you recognise that you're going into the groove that 19 years of abuse patterned into your brain, start consciously working on one of the diversion techniques.

    (The below is based on my personal experience)

    At first, you may need to speak them aloud. Eventually, you'll be able to do them mentally.

    At first, you'll be well into the groove before you recognise that you're there. You'll get better and better at recognising it, and the act of diverting your thoughts will get easier and easier.

    At first, you'll have both tracks simultaneously. The unhelpful thoughts and the diversion thoughts. As time passes, the unhelpful thoughts will get quieter and the diversion thoughts will get louder.
    I'm told that eventually the unhelpful thought becomes too quiet to 'hear'. That hasn't happened to me yet, but it is quiet enough to completely ignore - most of the time.


    Now to some info.

    Your unhelpful thoughts were probably a coping mechanism, back in the day. Noone ever intentionally makes 'the worst' decision: people try to do what will work best in their given situation.
    However, the coping mechanism that was helpful then is not helpful in your current environment.

    As an example, I know a woman who was a child in Poland during WWII. She was from a family of Jewish heritage, but could pass as Aryan if she were blonde. So her parents dyed her hair (and her twin sister's).
    Both she and her twin obsessively dye their hair blonde to this day.

    In WWII it was a survival mechanism. It's no longer needed. Fortunately this particular obsession is not actually harming either of them.

    You have similar issues: things that were survival mechanisms in your past, but which are no longer needed. Unfortunately, they're now harming you.


    The brain develops pathways. You can analogise it to rain gullies in a muddy, slightly sloping field. (It's actually nerve connections in the gray matter, but the types of pathways that form are similar.)

    Every time you follow a particular thought, the 'rain gully' becomes a little bit deeper. So your survival mechanisms are 19 years deep, plus the time you've spent since when still using them. This sounds discouraging at first, but even the deepest gully can be changed.
    (Heck, the Hoover Dam has redirected the Colorado River, and that's the deepest river gully on the planet!)

    You're going to make the water (the thought) go down a gully YOU consciously, intentionally choose. You do this by creating the new thought gully, and by linking it to the old one you no longer want with a diversion gully.

    Rehearsing your new thought will deepen the new thought pathway.
    Every time you recognise that you're in your old thought gully and then think the new thought, that strengthens the diversion gully.
    Every time you build the diversion gully, you also add a tiny smidge of 'concrete' to a 'dam wall' on the old thought.


    POSSIBLE NEW THOUGHTS

    'helpful thinking' (and a whole range of other techniques that are vaguely similar)
    Instead of 'this happened and therefore disaster', you think 'this happened and therefore <something good>'
    For instance, 'it's alright if people are mean to you because you're nothing but trash' (and so on), you can go with 'it's alright if people are mean to me because they don't know me and aren't people whose opinion matters to me. The only people whose opinions matter are Seshat and DGoddess and puddytat and ....'.

    (If you do choose that particular one, be VERY careful of who you choose to have as 'people whose opinions matter'. I chose Toth and Bast. With regard to opinions about my weight, I added my doctor. My CURRENT doctor, not J. Random MedicalDude.)

    There are a lot of variations on helpful thinking: please please either google, or mention in this thread that this sounds like an interesting technique and you want to learn more patient-to-patient info about it.


    complete diversion
    In this one, you just do something totally unrelated.
    This is the 'count to 10' or 'count to 10 backwards' or 'spot five things in your immediate area that are blue' or red or green or circular or triangular or whatever.

    Because of using this technique, I can recite the alphabet forwards AND backwards, can recite the military/international alphabet (alpha bravo charlie ... zulu), and am currently using the fibionacci sequence. Anna suggested I memorise pi next, as far as I need to.
    As you can tell, once a particular unrelated-thing becomes too easy, I (not everyone, but certainly me) need to find a new one.


    monomaniacal focus
    That's not what the psychologists call it. They call it distraction. But if you have even a smidge of autism, this is DAMNED effective against both mental and physical pain.
    Divert all your attention to something, whether it be quilting (yes, I chose that deliberately) or playing a computer game or studying the mating habits of the pobblebonk frog.

    Your problems are the result of a sane reaction to an insane situation.
    Never forget that.
    You had limited resources for your survival at the time - both mental and physical survival. You shielded your 'self' (your core personality) from damage, and took damage to the 'outer shell' of yourself as a result.
    Now the weaknesses in that outer shell are showing, and we need to do a patch job. Well, you're a quilter: you can make patches that are amazing, and in some cases even better than the base fabric.

    We happen to think your core personality is damned fantastic. And if we can help with the patch job, say so.
    Seshat's self-help guide:
    1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
    2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
    3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
    4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

    "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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    • #17
      Thank you Seshat.

      I am trying to come up with something that I can do that is socially acceptable (like if I am at work or at a show) I have a ton of coping stuff at home, which makes me want to be a hermit.

      Leaning towards a favorite piece of fabric in my pocket to touch, because a big part of quilting is touching the fabric. I always feel better after a trip to the fabric store to "pet" the fabric. I had a worry stone when I was a kid and I wore a hole through the dang thing.

      I know I need to work on my "self talk". I go through an entire litany every time something bad happens. Sometimes not even anything that serious. Sometimes a random comment from a kindergartner can set something off and I'll drive home in tears.
      Last edited by Kanalah; 03-05-2016, 04:45 AM.
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      • #18
        Quoth Kanalah View Post
        I am trying to come up with something that I can do that is socially acceptable (like if I am at work or at a show) I have a ton of coping stuff at home, which makes me want to be a hermit.
        For this I'd suggest maybe humming or whistling a song. Nobody at a show is going to question you if they walk up to you and you're humming the soundtrack to your favorite movie (especially if it's something popular like Star Wars). If the song's instrumental, it might help to try to invent lyrics.

        But then, music has always been a very effective distraction for me when I'm having anxiety problems.
        The fact that jellyfish have survived for 650 million years despite not having brains gives hope to many people.

        You would have to be incredibly dense for the world to revolve around you.

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        • #19
          Get a piece of fabric that you like the feel of.

          In one corner, think of all of us - and of other friends you have. Kiss that corner.
          Now quickly, before the love has a chance to escape, tie a knot in that corner.

          You will now have a piece of fabric with your love for us, and our love for you, with you. All the time.

          I have a hanky with Toth and Bast's love. Because they're physically near me, they put the kisses on it. We're going to have to kiss your fabric with Zen kisses.

          Here's mine.
          Seshat's self-help guide:
          1. Would you rather be right, or get the result you want?
          2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
          3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
          4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

          "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools." - Anders, Dragon Age.

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          • #20
            And mine. And a to go with it.

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            • #21
              And mine. This is a great idea.
              "Enough expository banter. It's time we fight like men. And ladies. And ladies who dress like men. For Gilgamesh...IT'S MORPHING TIME!"
              - Gilgamesh, Final Fantasy V

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              • #22
                And mine!
                When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                • #23
                  <3

                  Because we really do love you, Kanalah. <3
                  1129. I will refrain from casting Dimension Jump and Magnificent Mansion on every police box we pass.
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                  • #24
                    I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
                    My LiveJournal
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                    • #25
                      Quoth XCashier View Post
                      You are correct; it is the depression talking. Depression lies. That's something you have to keep reminding yourself. Depression is such a vicious, nasty liar that it ought to run for political office.
                      As someone who has had to deal with depression most of his life, I can honestly say that it lies. It's a big lying bastard. Once it gets in your head, it tends to make a nest. It can easily gaslight you and make you feel like shit
                      Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines. --Enzo Ferrari

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                      • #26
                        I've had that, and when depression decides to screw with your head, it's very easy to believe you're just annoying everyone. In reality there is at least one other person on this earth who would be sad if you decided not to be around anymore. It's hard to see it, but it's true. For me, pets are helpful. My little doggie has been the only one I can't honestly believe would be better off without me. He whines at the door when I go to work, what would happen to him if I never came home?
                        "I try to be curious about everything, even things that don't interest me." -Alex Trebek

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                        • #27
                          Quoth WishfulSpirit View Post
                          He whines at the door when I go to work, what would happen to him if I never came home?
                          See "Hachi".
                          My Guide to Oblivion

                          "I resent the implication that I've gone mad, Sprocket."

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                          • #28
                            Having to re-read this thread again.

                            I'm feeling like trash. Getting talked back to and disrespected by the kids at work and nothing is done. Hubs is working insane hours. Found out last week that my son needs braces and the orthodontist is blaming ME for it. (Son sucks his thumb and we have tried everything to get him to stop.) And last night our HVAC unit died.

                            Looking at around $20,000 for braces and new furnace and A/C unit. And I have to handle everything myself (and be quiet around the house) because hubs is always working/on the phone.

                            I just want to die and I can't yet. I have to finish a retirement gift for the 2nd grade teacher.
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                            • #29
                              The orthodontist is an idiot. How are you suppose to MAKE your son stop sucking his thumb? No matter what you do, if he wants to do it, he will, especially after he's gone to bed and is by himself.

                              Can you possibly sit down with your husband and tell him you need some help handling all of this? It's not reasonable for him to expect you to do everything. I understand he works a lot but that doesn't take any of the pressure off of you.
                              When you start at zero, everything's progress.

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                              • #30
                                How much are the braces and would your insurance cover it, if you could use it? I ask because I think you should start thinking about taking a trip. You could find a dentist and go to... was it Pennsylvania? I forget, the place your insurance is taken.

                                If not that, I think you should consider dental tourism. I know that 20k includes the HVAC but depending on how much the dentist is charging, you could go to Cancun and actually save money. And there are some damned good dentists in Mexico. You would just need to do your homework.

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