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  • I didn't see that one coming

    I'm going to try to make the background as short as possible, though I could write hundreds of pages.

    My husband left me when I was pregnant with my youngest child. He'll be 14 in two weeks. The last time he had any contact with any of the boys was the oldest child's 4th birthday. That kid turned 17 yesterday. My pregnancies are extremely difficult, and spent mostly in the hospital. The youngest was born extremely early because if they didn't deliver him right then, I would have died. The divorce was pretty ugly. I was being told that my husband was refusing to help with the kids and was refusing to see me. I was so sick after delivery that I just believed what I was being told. After all, I wasn't hearing from my husband, so it must be true.

    Fast forward to last week.

    Middle child is extremely sick. We have no clue what's wrong, in spite of a week long hospital stay. The doctors asked for a complete family medical history. I can do that for my side of the family, but not for the kids' father. Considering how very important this was, I sucked it up, located my ex-husband, and attempted to make contact. I found a really good bet on a workplace, so I called and left what had to be a strange and shocking message. He called back about five minutes later. I was impressed.

    So we talked for nearly two hours. We didn't just talk about medical stuff. The issue of the divorce came up. It turns out that my ex was just as much of a victim of my parents as I was. While I was pregnant with the youngest, and in the hospital, they were lying to me about him, and lying to him about me. I was being told he was refusing to care for the older boys and come visit. He was being told I was "done with him", and didn't want him around, and if he tried to make contact they'd get a restraining order and take the kids from both of us. They've apparently reiterated these threats throughout the years. So he's stayed away. He could have made different decisions, but as I moved 3000 miles and cut off all contact with my family a few years ago, I can completely understand being afraid of them.

    He asked if he could get to know the boys. I don't see any reason to deny him this, though considering the circumstances, I do think it needs to go extremely slowly. So I made arrangements for a FaceTime chat yesterday. I think it went really well. I laid down a bunch of rules and he followed them to the letter. That's promising. I offered to make that a weekly occurrence for a little while, then if all goes well, expand contact little by little. It's a good start.

    Honestly, right now I feel like complete horse shit. I've been angry at him and at times pretty nasty in my discussions about him (never to the boys, but to other people, out of the boys' earshot). It was undeserved. But now I'm even more angry at my parents. My boys have been denied a father all these years because of some sick game they were playing. I don't even know how to respond to that.
    At the conclusion of an Irish wedding, the priest said "Everybody please hug the person who has made your life worth living. The bartender was nearly crushed to death.

  • #2
    You can't respond to that. All you can do is allow the relationship between your boys and their father to grow. You made the right decision in cutting your parents out of the picture, and that is all to the good.

    You thought you were right in being angry at and about your ex, and based on the information you had at the time you were right. It's your parents who deserve all the blame, and you do not need to feel at all bad for the lies that they spewed - you didn't know they were lies so why should you feel bad? It does not matter that you believed them because it's only a natural reaction to feel you should be able to trust your parents, no matter how horrible they have been to you.

    While your anger has been proved to be undeserved, there is still no need to feel bad about it. Lay the blame exactly where it belongs - on your parents for their own horse shit. Heck, if it helps, write them a long letter explaining that you finally know that truth, that it was their fault for you and your boys having such a hard time of things, and for them being such complete assholes - you don't need to send it, of course, but it might help get those feelings out.

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    • #3
      There are always three sides to everything, most people only see the first two. Sad that that happened but now you two have the chance to rebuild the relationship between father and children. With your support it can happen and be positive for them.

      I don't know the issue with your family but I did the same moved and cut off all contact. Best decision I ever made.

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      • #4
        What KK said. You have already taken the biggest, and probably hardest, two steps -- Cutting off contact with your family, and speaking with your ex.

        Worst case scenario: If the fam somehow catches wind of this, however, and tries to butt in again...? Please consider just continuing to ignore them *completely*. Don't listen to them; just hang up if they call; don't let yourself get drawn into whatever drama they have up their sleeves. I would, however, suggest not contacting them, either -- not even with a letter. From the sound of things, they WILL interpose themselves by whatever means they feel necessary (I'm guessing that they feel that they were, and always have been, in the right). Neither you nor your kids need that. You are doing what YOU feel is best for your kids, and that rocks ^_^ Keep it up!

        Heck, you could do what I've done before -- write it all down on paper (yes, with a pen!), get it all out -- everything you'd wanna say to them or about them. Put it all down, and when you're done...burn it. One page at a time. Let the flames take it all away, to permit you to focus on what is truly important to you.

        Even if circumstances mandated it, it was YOUR decision to make contact with him again -- from what you said, that's a good thing. Don't let the fam make further decisions for you.
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        • #5
          /hugs mathnerd

          I'm sorry your parents suck, but isn't it just a little uplifting to know you didn't so completely misjudge your ex husban's character?

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          • #6
            Wow, holy shit! I can not imagine how it would feel to find out that my parents - the people supposedly to be the ones to love me unreservedly - fucked up my marriage and relationship between my husband and kids in such a drastic manner.

            I am so glad you cut ties with them. To be passive aggressive evil? Have your ex visit and take a family portrait and send them a copy.
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            • #7
              That sounds like bad Hollywood fiction, because it is. Except that you did not shoot the lawyer (I hope you did not shoot the lawyer).

              Hope things work out (whatever that may be) and I hope that Middle child is better son.
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              • #8
                Damn. That's all I can think of to say. Just . . . Damn.

                *hugs Mathnerd, too*

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                • #9
                  Thanks everybody. I'm still in shock from everything. This would have been rather shocking news without anybody being sick, but piled on top of the stress of a sick kid, it's just made me numb. Well, that's not exactly the truth. I'm alternating between being numb and vomiting all over the place. Mr. MathNerd has sent me off on a mini-get away. I've got a cozy room in a nice, but not 4-star hotel that I paid for with rewards points, and brought my parrot with me. We're currently chilling on the couch eating Cheez-its. They actually upgraded me to a 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom suite, which is about three times the space I need, but it is nice.

                  To address a few points (and I suck at multi-quoting, so bear with me).

                  -I have absolutely no intention of ever contacting my parents, siblings, aunts, uncles or cousins ever again. When I first disappeared from my parents, I tried to maintain contact with my sisters, but they proved that they couldn't respect my wishes (gave them my new contact info, which I then changed again), so I cut them off too. I've never been close to extended family, so no love lost there. I have left one email account that I know they have active, plus my old Facebook page, so if there's an emergency (like somebody's dead), they can get a message through. Otherwise I ignore anything that gets sent.

                  -I've had my suspicions that they meddled in my marriage, but even as bad as I knew they were, I had a hard time believing they'd go that far. This has all been shocking to have it confirmed.

                  -I'll do my best to support some sort of relationship between the kids and their father, but they're teenagers now, and one of them is a year away from legal adulthood, so I don't know what that relationship is going to look like. Mr. Mathnerd has stepped in as step-father, and he's good to them. As far as the youngest is concerned, he's Dad. Their real father is a stranger to them. This is going to be difficult, I'm sure, but we'll muddle through it as best we can. Their father deserves a chance.

                  -I did not shoot the lawyer.

                  -I'm perfectly content with the way thing are in regards to my family of origin. I'm happy and at peace. I have no desire to open up any sort of communications. Even to say "fuck you". However, I haven't discounted the idea of flying my ex-husband out here late summer if everything goes well.
                  At the conclusion of an Irish wedding, the priest said "Everybody please hug the person who has made your life worth living. The bartender was nearly crushed to death.

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                  • #10
                    Can't add much other than it sounds like you've made the right decisions, don't be too hard on yourself because of what other people did to you; and prayers/hugs/good wishes for middle son to get better soon!!
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                    • #11
                      The near-adult son is old enough to understand the circumstances of the divorce - even the new, strange circumstances that seem to be showing up.

                      He's also old enough to make his own choices regarding a relationship with his genetic father. I agree that stepfather is Dad, but he has an opportunity for a relationship of some sort with the genetic parent; and a right to his own choices in that regard.

                      I recommend giving each access to the other, and standing back and letting them take care things themselves. Make it clear that you're willing to be there for your son if he wants you to be, but that you're granting him the rights you would if he were a mere year older.


                      As for the younger ones: what you're doing sounds right. Bringing him - carefully - into their lives, but keeping your hand on the controls. They're your responsibility to protect; even against their genetic parent if it turns out to be needed.

                      Given what I've heard about your birth family, however: I'm willing to bet a batch of cookies that it's all their doing, and his story is correct. (Or as correct as memory holds it.)
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                      2. If you're consistently getting results you don't want, change what you do.
                      3. Deal with the situation you have now, however it occurred.
                      4. Accept the consequences of your decisions.

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                      • #12
                        "As correct as memory holds it"

                        That's a good quote. I told MrMathnerd that I only believed about 80% of my ex's story, and most of what I don't believe has more to do with maybe obscuring some details that make him look even worse than some of the revelations he's made already make him look, and I don't really think he's lying, just not remembering.

                        For the first conversation I just had them all in the room and accepted the FaceTime call from my laptop. That way nobody was holding a device (my computer was on my desk), and if they wanted to bolt, they could. Next time everybody will be required to be in the house, but if they don't want to be in the room, they don't have to. I will change things as I see fit for each kid as time goes on. The oldest isn't particularly interested in getting too personal right now. He's happy with the plan Ive suggested. If that changes, then I will reevaluate.
                        At the conclusion of an Irish wedding, the priest said "Everybody please hug the person who has made your life worth living. The bartender was nearly crushed to death.

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                        • #13
                          I'm sure you don't need to be told this, but...

                          Quoth mathnerd View Post
                          Honestly, right now I feel like complete horse shit. I've been angry at him and at times pretty nasty in my discussions about him (never to the boys, but to other people, out of the boys' earshot). It was undeserved. But now I'm even more angry at my parents. My boys have been denied a father all these years because of some sick game they were playing. I don't even know how to respond to that.
                          ...don't go there. It won't accomplish anything, make anyone feel any better, and it isn't what you need. The cruelest phrase in the English language is "what if...?" and you don't need that. You have enough to deal with.
                          Drive it like it's a county car.

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                          • #14
                            To be clear, my "what ifs" involve a high likelihood of divorce. We were having problems. I don't have a sunshine and roses fantasy. But there's a huge difference between an amicable divorce with an involved father and the situation that has been. I'm angry that the choice was taken from me through lies and manipulation.
                            At the conclusion of an Irish wedding, the priest said "Everybody please hug the person who has made your life worth living. The bartender was nearly crushed to death.

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                            • #15
                              As well you should be. My husband died when my son was a year old, he's stuck with just me now. It always makes me feel horribly guilty, like no matter how much I try I'll never be as good as him having both his parents would be for him. I can't imagine how betrayed I'd feel if someone else had done that to my family. As much as I'm sure your children love appreciate you, I hope they can establish some sort of positive relationship with their father, and that his presence in your life
                              decreases any burdens you feel. **hugs**
                              Pain and suffering are inevitable...misery is optional.

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