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The suicide move wasn't necessarily FTL -- remember, the SW hyperdrive pops people into hyperspace, at least once from a dead stop. On the other hand, the ship could have used the hyperdrive in a fashion that shunts the energy into motion, or prepares for a "normal" jump by boosting to speed.
It probably wouldn't work too well against a target that was maneuvering, or ready to do so; in this case they had a target that was "stopped" relative to them (matching their course), wasn't expecting any such tactic, and (as it turned out) had some internal distractions which might have interfered with responding to the situation.
ETA: Various science fiction authors and sites have evaluated possible future weapons. The general attitude seems to be that in any realistic context, energy weapons and lasers are for the birds -- what you really want against spaceships are missiles with maneuvering and tracking capability, but if you run out of those, basic kinetic weapons are cheapest for the punch. One complication is recoil; another is, it turns out it's really hard to hide a spaceship from an infra-red telescope. Of course, SW is hardly realistic, and the energy bolts seem to come with the ambient technology.Last edited by Mental_Mouse; 01-11-2018, 03:07 AM.
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Well, you don't really NEED to use a ship -- a can of ravioli will do the job.
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Quoth Mental_Mouse View PostThe suicide move wasn't necessarily FTL -- remember, the SW hyperdrive pops people into hyperspace, at least once from a dead stop.
And the point remains--I hate that the tactic is an insta-kill Deus Ex Machina type of thing. "Oh, push that button and all the bad guys die." Uhh, why didn't they push the button years earlier?
I am sure there will be some sort of explanation, likely having to do with everyone being stationary (relative to each other, I'm guessing) but I still hate that way of resolving things. It's lousy story-telling IMHO.“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged.
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Quoth Nunavut Pants View PostTo me, the "hyperspace" is just the mechanism for FTL travel. Obviously the ship wasn't completely in some other (bubble?) universe, as it sure as heck interacted with the other ships in the area, so calling it "FTL" will do at least for me.
And the point remains--I hate that the tactic is an insta-kill Deus Ex Machina type of thing. "Oh, push that button and all the bad guys die." Uhh, why didn't they push the button years earlier?
I am sure there will be some sort of explanation, likely having to do with everyone being stationary (relative to each other, I'm guessing) but I still hate that way of resolving things. It's lousy story-telling IMHO.
On the other hand, if you want a "superweapon pulled out of nowhere", consider Luke's finale... if a Jedi could do that normally, they'd be unstoppable, so it only makes sense as a "last hurrah".Last edited by Mental_Mouse; 01-12-2018, 10:44 AM.
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Quoth Nunavut Pants View PostYeah, I disliked the "All the stuff you spent the last half-hour doing? All meaningless." And I really hated the end of the escape sequence. Uhh, you mean a ship going light-speed can be a super weapon that kills anything in its way? So why aren't light-speed missiles the most common weapon in the universe? Why didn't the Empire use those on planets instead of the massive Death Star type beams?
But, spoilers:
The Rose Tico/Finn "mission" was completely unnecessary, and actually made things worse, because "DJ" turned them over to Phasma and the First Order. If they don't go on that mission, the "escape pod" plan that Holdo had would probably have been more successful, and they might have avoided the confrontation with the First Order.
But I suppose without that blown mission, we never would have ended up with "Force Projection" Luke, and Luke becoming a Force ghost.Skilled programmers aren't cheap. Cheap programmers aren't skilled.
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Quoth Mental_Mouse View Postconsider Luke's finale... if a Jedi could do that normally, they'd be unstoppable, so it only makes sense as a "last hurrah".
Further notes about it in spoilers: [ Snoke revealed was doing it, but given all he was doing was linking their minds across space, and only between them, it probably required less effort than what Luke did. Luke had to basically project himself to multiple people, and even to such an extent that C-3PO could see him. ]PWNADE(TM) - Serve up a glass today! | PWNZER - An act of pwnage so awesome, it's like the victim got hit by a tank.
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Quoth AnaKhouri View PostAlso, PORGS.
I enjoyed it, but I think I'll need to see it again. That was an awful lot to take in, I'm sure I missed a few things first time around.I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
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I loved the foxes, too. Would be cool to have one, tho I'm worried petting them would HURT! Besides, what the hell do they eat >_>
Hrm. Maybe I should settle for the plush versions once they come out as part of the merch parade. It...is...inevitable."For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
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Quoth EricKei View PostI loved the foxes, too. Would be cool to have one, tho I'm worried petting them would HURT! Besides, what the hell do they eat >_>
What do they eat? Probably rodents. We don't see all of the lifeforms on the various planets.I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem.
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Quoth XCashier View PostThey were quite cute, but I liked those crystal fox things better.
I enjoyed it, but I think I'll need to see it again. That was an awful lot to take in, I'm sure I missed a few things first time around.
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Quoth XCashier View PostWhat do they eat? Probably rodents."For a musician, the SNES sound engine is like using Crayola Crayons. Nobuo Uematsu used Crayola Crayons to paint the Sistine Chapel." - Jeremy Jahns (re: "Dancing Mad")
"The difference between an amateur and a master is that the master has failed way more times." - JoCat
"Thinking is difficult, therefore let the herd pronounce judgment!" ~ Carl Jung
"There's burning bridges, and then there's the lake just to fill it with gasoline." - Wiccy, reddit
"Retail is a cruel master, and could very well be the most educational time of many people's lives, in its own twisted way." - me
"Love keeps her in the air when she oughta fall down...tell you she's hurtin' 'fore she keens...makes her a home." - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity" (2005)
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